Janspeed

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Especially through the front wheels!!!

Matteeboy

I prefer it through the rears. And I prefer 428 of them...

Git_

I would'nt be so sure on the warranty front mate, im a ford technician and our warranty is absolute ****e, all on a sliding scale, plus they will try and wriggle out of paying for anything.

will_wrx

Oh my days, its my opinion! You have your opinion which is why you drive an RS and I drive a WRX.

Well the reason the RS grabs so much attention is because of its hideous colour, the white ones dont really stand out do they.

If I'm honest, I get quite a few people taking pictures. Not neccesarily stopping me, but I get people comment on my car in supermarkets etc.

But either way, I'm not saying the RS is ****, I just dont like the way it looks.

Its not like I said I hate you is it.

paulwrxboro

ok you dont like the car looks or the colour thats fine ,thats your opinion but you cant say the car looks weak, as you did in your first post, thats rubbish

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1249602631

jonc

Owners will always defend their cars to the death. The new FRS is nice if you're into that sort of car, all show and a little bit of go, at £10k less, the new Clio200 can keep up with one and that has nearly 100bhp less than the FRS. 25 odd thousand pounds is a lot of money for a hot hatch, but its your money at the end of the day and we have no right how to tell you how to spend your money. For me, if I had that sort of car, I'd buy something a little more exotic 2nd hand. IMO what I might lose in running costs is no more than the depreciation on a new car from a mainstream manufacturer.

Spec'c'57

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Have been there done that with the Noble, the trouble is there is always the doubt of a 3k+ bill hitting the doorstep at any minute. The FRS shouldnt give me them worries, i hope. Also the wife is happier as its a useable family car (if/when the family arrives) All in all tho the RS is a great all round car that can be used as a sensible runaround returning 26mpg (i have been getting this) or a great track toy in standard trim that will hold its own against lots of cars, yes there are other cars that are just as good/better. I chose the RS and im loving it.

BOB.T

And, my ST hustled an M3 the other night, what do they cost?! (the guy even invited me out for coffee, at least I think that's what the hand gesture meant )

Dream Weaver

Is it only me that finds that hilarious on a Subaru forum, our local MacD's are full of 93 Imprezas on a Saturday, not ST's or RS's!!

Handling and Grip are totally different, the Focus chassis is fantastic even for those that can't handle FWD. The Focus has always been renowned for great handling, and the Impreza has always been known to have good grip (but poor understeer and handling).

Not in a diesel it's not, I have both.

I'd still take an RS over my ST any day of the week even though I know my ST is quicker as it is, in fact I may be off to view some RS's tomorrow as it happens

I do have to admit, the new STI is also growing on me a lot more now I see them regularly. They are very ugly compared to the RS, and reportedly are poor to drive but there is something that interests me.

jonc

I think he was suggesting that it would be made from the finest blend of coffee beans.

P1Fanatic

Perhaps whats always drawn me to scoobs:

Stan Palmer Subaru Izuzu Ssangyong



Simon

Steve vRS

What a dealer in Carlisle?

Steve

Spec'c'57

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Spec'c'57

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or was it this?

Stan Palmer Subaru Izuzu Ssangyong

Janspeed

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That is more like it!

Matteeboy

As countless reviews of the 335d have said, to slate diesel as a performance car fuel is to have NOT driven a 335d.

Quick revving, nice sounding (yep - it growls) and very quick indeed with no low rev gap in power thanks to the smaller low rev turbo. It does 0-100 usefully quicker than an RS and crushes it like a small fly when it comes to in gear acceleration (e.g. 50-70). If it was manual (too much torque) and didn't lose a bit of off the line speed that all diesels do (until they spool up) then it would obliterate the RS.

And then there's Le Mans...

There is genuinely no other car on the planet I'd rather have.

Janspeed - finally put my money where my mouth is!

But I still prefer the RS to the ST...

theboy

My Scooby was fun on the back roads, but crap at most other things. Too noisy on the motorway, cheap interior etc.... Hopefull my new ST will be a bit of fun but also ok when the wife & kids come along for a daytrip

P1Fanatic

For me that link brings up a page regarding a Miltek exhaust upgrade - same clip as this:

YouTube - New MY08 Subaru Impreza STi with sports exhaust

Simon

P1Fanatic

What is that some Ltd Edition?

Simon

Janspeed

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Lets see how things go during the next six months, it should be interesting to see long term reviews like in EVO mag.


Watch this space

WJB

You could build a second hand 3 year old montune ST for less than 12k

Which means the RS has a very expensive bodykit imo...

Mog

Yawn

P1Fanatic

Just what is the point in comparing a 3yr old car against a brand new one?

Simon

Mad Monty

What a ridiculous statement to make. It's a 3 series ffs!

Moron!

Matteeboy

Okay then, here you go muppet face:

http://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews...rticle&id=1868

When BMW introduced the 330d back in 2000, it was widely considered to be the first overtly sporting diesel in its class. Its forebears such as the 325td were good, but technology at the time meant their true potential was limited. The E46 330d changed that at a stroke and combined effortless grunt with excellent economy. It was a very good diesel car (with over 200bhp by the time it was phased out) that began to change the bias of the hardcore petrol fraternity who refused to take a diesel seriously and certainly considered a diesel BMW borderline sacrilegious.

Fast forward to the present day and diesel cars now outsell petrol versions in most of Europe. Market demand, driven by fuel prices and taxation based on CO2 emissions, have now pushed the humble oil burner to the top of the sales charts and, as you'd expect, BMW has been at the forefront of the technological advance. The 335d shown here is the technological showpiece of the BMW diesel range at present.

Contrary to the badge's inference, the engine is of 3-litre capacity rather than 3.5, but differs from the other 3-litre straight-six in that it employs twin turbochargers rather than a single unit. As we've seen in the 335d and 535d previously, these two turbos work in sequence rather than tandem to give the optimum matches at two different parts of the engine's operating range - the smaller turbo at lower revs; the larger one at higher, effectively equating to one well-matched turbo solution across the full speed spectrum.

The performance this engine delivers is, quite simply, stunning. Matched to a six-speed auto, the pace is quite amazing - one assumes that BMW's manuals lack the durability to live with the massive torque. Driven back-to-back with a BMW 335i, the diesel is not appreciably slower flat out and is actually quicker in most real-world scenarios. The gearbox is calibrated to keep the engine running at 1200rpm and above so one never feels that off-boost lull that can hamper progress in some turbodiesels. From this point upwards the response is relatively linear and always predictable, as the broad and deep wave of torque that builds at such low revs holds on all the way up to a redline, which is set at just over 5000rpm.

As accomplished pushing hard on B-roads as it is an effortlessly pacy cruiser, the 335d covers all the bases required for an all-round sporting drive. The driving experience in full automatic mode is fine, but is elevated to a more satisfying level by the paddle shifts on the wheel. BMW has moved away from the left-paddle-down, right-paddle-up, shift pattern and now both levers (positioned perfectly at the quarter-to-three) shift up and down with a pull or push respectively. This is a marked improvement over the more limited functionality of old; expect to see it on SMG cars soon as well. #p##01# In-gear urge is almost peerless; I can't remember another car that accelerates as cleanly and quickly from low revs, and with such long gearing, in recent times. I include the Audi RS4 and the outgoing M3 in that statement; you have to pedal those cars hard to sustain the kind of pace the 335d does at ease. It was rumoured that BMW was considering an M3 diesel; assuming that this car may have formed the basis for such a rumour, that badge would not have been shamed by its appearance on the rump of the 335d.

We've driven a variety of the latest 3 Series now and a skim through our reviews will reveal a somewhat unanimous verdict of excellence for the entire range; the 335d Touring is no exception. In fact, it may well be the best one we've encountered to date - no mean feat in itself - which means it is one of the very best sport wagons you can buy. As you'd expect, the chassis is a treat in terms of handling agility and poise, excelling on bumpy back roads as well as smooth and flowing roads.

The trade off is a firm ride, but the body control where you need it most is adequate compensation for a motorway ride that perhaps lags that of a Mercedes-Benz equivalent. The driving controls remain virtually flawless, although I-drive still takes a few days to come to terms with and it's well worth spending the time and effort needed to learn the voice command menu. The Touring body offers as much space and practicality as most people would ever need with seemingly no penalty in terms of dynamics as compared to the saloon; in fact I prefer the styling as well as the added space and airiness it offers.

You'll have figured by now that this car was well liked and has left a lasting impression. We're used to engines being the focal point of BMWs, but for the diesel to replicate this expectation is truly remarkable. Even more amazing is that this diesel actually performs as well as the petrol models and, for now at least, is probably the quickest 3 Series you can buy. What this means is that this car is not only a class leader and benchmark, it is also something of a watershed in that it is not only a highly capable diesel performance car, but also it is the first diesel I can think of that is a highly capable performance car in its own right. #p##04# By that I mean at the top of the class as a sporting offering, never mind as a sports wagon under which guise it goes some way beyond humbling the competition and the word humiliation begins to come into play. Easily capable of withstanding comparison with its petrol equivalents, this is a diesel that sells on sporting prowess rather than economy. It's a brilliant car, admittedly at a price, that completely redefines the definition of diesel motoring and may well open the door to a raft of pure performance diesels in the near future. As it is, the 335d Touring may just be all the car you'd ever need.

You carry on wet dreaming about impractical Lambos and flimsy Ferraris though...

I've noticed most of your 15 posts are little digs at me. Not sure who you are (and don't care) but methinks you haven't noticed the McCain factory perched on your shoulder. Happy bitter ranting little man.

Mad Monty

Can't be arsed to read all that inane drivel.

Bares no relevance to the statement you made; just keep following the crowd, sheep.
Anyway, have another look outside your window so you can soil your undies yet again, c0cknose!

Brun

Personally (not that i can afford one) i wouldn't have one as i don't want a fwd car (says he who owns one). In the flesh they look and sound awsome but i would avoid the bright coloured ones. Like i say, i would want awd but as the new scoob looks a nail i would probably find myself looking at Hawkeyes or a Classic.
As it stands, i drive a 172 and can't afford squat due to being a home owner - my next car will probably be an oil burner so i can only dream about buying a fast new toy

Matteeboy

Oh dear Mad. It seems your Mummy should take your PC away again.

Total cretin.

Janspeed

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Hmmmmm I wonder if it a troll from times long gone, or just a new troll?

WJB

Comparing similar cars, how silly of me...