2 Police dogs die after being left in a van during hot weather
04 July 2009, 09:45 AM
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I dont agree with the argument re the soldiers who died.
The soldiers CHOSE that as their job, when you join the ARMED FORCES you know there is a chance you will be sent to war and may be injured or killed as part of your job ( or at the very least, sent to whichever country the politicians have decided we have to go and 'help' next ) - you are paid every month to put yourself in that position. If you dont want to accept that risk, then choose another job.
( I do have sympathy for any soldiers who die though, particularly as a lot of them don't really have much of a clue where they are or what they are fighting for, and most are being killed because of politicians spin and egos rather than protecting our country )
The difference with the dogs however is that they were shut in a car in boiling hot weather by a stupid plod - they didnt choose to be police dogs, and they didnt choose to be looked after by a fxxkwit copper, or to go out in the car that day - they couldnt let themselves out of the car or turn on the aircon....
The soldiers CHOSE that as their job, when you join the ARMED FORCES you know there is a chance you will be sent to war and may be injured or killed as part of your job ( or at the very least, sent to whichever country the politicians have decided we have to go and 'help' next ) - you are paid every month to put yourself in that position. If you dont want to accept that risk, then choose another job.
( I do have sympathy for any soldiers who die though, particularly as a lot of them don't really have much of a clue where they are or what they are fighting for, and most are being killed because of politicians spin and egos rather than protecting our country )
The difference with the dogs however is that they were shut in a car in boiling hot weather by a stupid plod - they didnt choose to be police dogs, and they didnt choose to be looked after by a fxxkwit copper, or to go out in the car that day - they couldnt let themselves out of the car or turn on the aircon....
04 July 2009, 10:06 AM
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I was filling up at a Tesco supermarket garage last Saturday night. It must have been about 23:30 and very quiet.
That was until a red Ford Focus came screaming into the garage, driving right through the pumps at wreckless speed, and slamming the brakes on where you can inflate your tyres.
I then clocked the plate - beginning with "SF" - it was an unmarked police car. The two fat ****** got out for a stretch and the youngest one(early 20s and already sporting a hefty beer gut) shouted to his pal "ye want a juice?", then swaggered into the shop for some snacks.
Now I garantee that if I had driven like that I would have been charged on the spot for either careless or dangerous driving.
What more can I say?
That was until a red Ford Focus came screaming into the garage, driving right through the pumps at wreckless speed, and slamming the brakes on where you can inflate your tyres.
I then clocked the plate - beginning with "SF" - it was an unmarked police car. The two fat ****** got out for a stretch and the youngest one(early 20s and already sporting a hefty beer gut) shouted to his pal "ye want a juice?", then swaggered into the shop for some snacks.
Now I garantee that if I had driven like that I would have been charged on the spot for either careless or dangerous driving.
What more can I say?
What on earth does this have to do with the Dogs dying?
Make sure you tell him that I think he's a proper c*nt and he should lose his job and be prosecuted for animal cruelty.
04 July 2009, 10:29 AM
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yep it says it all , 2 notts dogs have been killed (big error), but no thread about a real hero says it all UK Soldiers Die In Afghanistan: Lt Col Rupert Thorneloe And Trooper Joshua Hammond Killed | UK News | Sky News
04 July 2009, 11:04 AM
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This thread started not so much as a police bashing affair as peoples' very strong feeling against the prize prat who was responsible for those poor dogs.
It is not the fault of the force in general unless we find that the handler is eventually let off with a slap on the wrist. I hope the RSPCA dont allow themselves to be swayed from their duty of prosecution by any kind of external pressure.
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It is not the fault of the force in general unless we find that the handler is eventually let off with a slap on the wrist. I hope the RSPCA dont allow themselves to be swayed from their duty of prosecution by any kind of external pressure.
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04 July 2009, 11:36 AM
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Quite bizarre twists and turns here! Most of us have enough compassion in us to serve two legs and four. Its not an either/or choice for most decent people FFS!
Unlike some I have no issues or axe to grind with cops (well - maybe the odd tw@t in a van
) but this guy should definitely be banned from life from keeping animals and lose his dog handling job. If he is actually genuinely a good hardworking decent cop (unlike this episode suggests) he might be kept to push paper. He should also do 500hours community service at Battersea dogs home after a couple of weeks in jail. He definitely should be jailed to ram the point home to all - as anyone keeping an animal has a duty of care and him phenomenally more so.
Wonder if the PR agency is in to cook up a story to break the silence yet?
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Unlike some I have no issues or axe to grind with cops (well - maybe the odd tw@t in a van
) but this guy should definitely be banned from life from keeping animals and lose his dog handling job. If he is actually genuinely a good hardworking decent cop (unlike this episode suggests) he might be kept to push paper. He should also do 500hours community service at Battersea dogs home after a couple of weeks in jail. He definitely should be jailed to ram the point home to all - as anyone keeping an animal has a duty of care and him phenomenally more so. Wonder if the PR agency is in to cook up a story to break the silence yet?
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04 July 2009, 02:11 PM
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Wait until the facts come out
It is just a thought of mine, the Dog vans have air conditioning obviously, for the hot weather that is always put on for the dogs, even while on patrol.
The vans also have a facility on them where you can press a button to leave the engine running while the officers are out of the vehicle, and you can take the keys with you, so the car cannot be stolen.
I'm only guessing but, while the car was running in this car park while the officers entered their head offices, I wonder if the car ran out of petrol, then of course the air conditioning stopped.
Its just a thought.............
Coming from a fellow Dog handler, my GSD is like my third child, and I spend more time with him than the wife, over a 24 hr period, so for the ***** on this board who stated the officer didn't give a sh*t about the dogs, they are sadly mistaken.
Its a job I wanted for a long time and it took me two years from start to finish to finally be out on the streets with my Dog.
However If this officer did lock the dogs in the car with no air conditioning, then I also hope he is prosecuted and sacked, as he is obviously a TOOL and giving me a bad name.
Kev
The vans also have a facility on them where you can press a button to leave the engine running while the officers are out of the vehicle, and you can take the keys with you, so the car cannot be stolen.
I'm only guessing but, while the car was running in this car park while the officers entered their head offices, I wonder if the car ran out of petrol, then of course the air conditioning stopped.
Its just a thought.............
Coming from a fellow Dog handler, my GSD is like my third child, and I spend more time with him than the wife, over a 24 hr period, so for the ***** on this board who stated the officer didn't give a sh*t about the dogs, they are sadly mistaken.
Its a job I wanted for a long time and it took me two years from start to finish to finally be out on the streets with my Dog.
However If this officer did lock the dogs in the car with no air conditioning, then I also hope he is prosecuted and sacked, as he is obviously a TOOL and giving me a bad name.
Kev
06 July 2009, 12:34 AM
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Summary:
Dogs die through idiot leaving them in car when it was hot.
They just happened to be police dogs and the idiot that left them was a police officer.
It doesn't mean all police hate dogs or are cruel, but give other idiots ammo to say police are ******* and to allows idiots to summise that they will not be punished for said idiotic act because of their job.
RIP dogs - poor buggers.
FWIW the idiot that made the error of allowing the dogs to die will probably come off far worse than those that do this every year, due to his job. And rightly so - he/she is meant to be a professional in the area of handling dogs.
Dogs die through idiot leaving them in car when it was hot.
They just happened to be police dogs and the idiot that left them was a police officer.
It doesn't mean all police hate dogs or are cruel, but give other idiots ammo to say police are ******* and to allows idiots to summise that they will not be punished for said idiotic act because of their job.
RIP dogs - poor buggers.
FWIW the idiot that made the error of allowing the dogs to die will probably come off far worse than those that do this every year, due to his job. And rightly so - he/she is meant to be a professional in the area of handling dogs.
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06 July 2009, 12:48 AM
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The amount of spin I've seen on the last two shifts would shock... I wouldn't be surprised if the murder, rapes, riot and suspicious death were used as material to deflect from what happened with the dogs.
06 July 2009, 12:54 AM
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Nottinghamshire Police love to hang their own out to dry. It's well known. The Met are well publicised as covering up (if that's true, I don't know) but the Notts heirachy will sacrifice anyone to save their own *****.
The amount of spin I've seen on the last two shifts would shock... I wouldn't be surprised if the murder, rapes, riot and suspicious death were used as material to deflect from what happened with the dogs.
The amount of spin I've seen on the last two shifts would shock... I wouldn't be surprised if the murder, rapes, riot and suspicious death were used as material to deflect from what happened with the dogs.
Anyone that think the police is an old boy, protectionist organisation is living in the bent days of the 60s/70s. Policing is policed, and policed very tightly!
06 July 2009, 02:16 AM
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and well it should be!!
I hope that bast4rd is hung out to dry. He deserves it regardless of the fact he's a police officer. The fact that he is a police dog handler just makes the whole bloody thing worse as this toss bag, above ALL people should have known better.
I hope he loses his job and his pension. I even hope his next door neighbour gives him a good hiding too.
I wish the officers on here would stop moaning though. The public dont like you, there's only one reason for that, the way the majority of the force conduct themselves and the dreadful attitudes the majority of them have. A cracking example in my local paper this week. Old boy has £9000 worth of tools from his garage, was told over the phone that he should investigate himself and ring them in a few days if he had any information. Is there any wonder why the public despise the police when they do **** like that??
It seems most of the force is occupied with people full of themselves that are out to get payback for bad school days. Of course I'm being extremely stereo typical but I honestly feel that a decent, polite, down to earth copper is very much a rarity these days.
I hope that bast4rd is hung out to dry. He deserves it regardless of the fact he's a police officer. The fact that he is a police dog handler just makes the whole bloody thing worse as this toss bag, above ALL people should have known better.
I hope he loses his job and his pension. I even hope his next door neighbour gives him a good hiding too.
I wish the officers on here would stop moaning though. The public dont like you, there's only one reason for that, the way the majority of the force conduct themselves and the dreadful attitudes the majority of them have. A cracking example in my local paper this week. Old boy has £9000 worth of tools from his garage, was told over the phone that he should investigate himself and ring them in a few days if he had any information. Is there any wonder why the public despise the police when they do **** like that??
It seems most of the force is occupied with people full of themselves that are out to get payback for bad school days. Of course I'm being extremely stereo typical but I honestly feel that a decent, polite, down to earth copper is very much a rarity these days.
06 July 2009, 07:14 AM
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and well it should be!!
I hope that bast4rd is hung out to dry. He deserves it regardless of the fact he's a police officer. The fact that he is a police dog handler just makes the whole bloody thing worse as this toss bag, above ALL people should have known better.
I hope he loses his job and his pension. I even hope his next door neighbour gives him a good hiding too.
I wish the officers on here would stop moaning though. The public dont like you, there's only one reason for that, the way the majority of the force conduct themselves and the dreadful attitudes the majority of them have. A cracking example in my local paper this week. Old boy has £9000 worth of tools from his garage, was told over the phone that he should investigate himself and ring them in a few days if he had any information. Is there any wonder why the public despise the police when they do **** like that??
It seems most of the force is occupied with people full of themselves that are out to get payback for bad school days. Of course I'm being extremely stereo typical but I honestly feel that a decent, polite, down to earth copper is very much a rarity these days.
I hope that bast4rd is hung out to dry. He deserves it regardless of the fact he's a police officer. The fact that he is a police dog handler just makes the whole bloody thing worse as this toss bag, above ALL people should have known better.
I hope he loses his job and his pension. I even hope his next door neighbour gives him a good hiding too.
I wish the officers on here would stop moaning though. The public dont like you, there's only one reason for that, the way the majority of the force conduct themselves and the dreadful attitudes the majority of them have. A cracking example in my local paper this week. Old boy has £9000 worth of tools from his garage, was told over the phone that he should investigate himself and ring them in a few days if he had any information. Is there any wonder why the public despise the police when they do **** like that??
It seems most of the force is occupied with people full of themselves that are out to get payback for bad school days. Of course I'm being extremely stereo typical but I honestly feel that a decent, polite, down to earth copper is very much a rarity these days.
06 July 2009, 07:15 AM
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It is just a thought of mine, the Dog vans have air conditioning obviously, for the hot weather that is always put on for the dogs, even while on patrol.
The vans also have a facility on them where you can press a button to leave the engine running while the officers are out of the vehicle, and you can take the keys with you, so the car cannot be stolen.
I'm only guessing but, while the car was running in this car park while the officers entered their head offices, I wonder if the car ran out of petrol, then of course the air conditioning stopped.
Its just a thought.............
Coming from a fellow Dog handler, my GSD is like my third child, and I spend more time with him than the wife, over a 24 hr period, so for the ***** on this board who stated the officer didn't give a sh*t about the dogs, they are sadly mistaken.
Its a job I wanted for a long time and it took me two years from start to finish to finally be out on the streets with my Dog.
However If this officer did lock the dogs in the car with no air conditioning, then I also hope he is prosecuted and sacked, as he is obviously a TOOL and giving me a bad name.
Kev
The vans also have a facility on them where you can press a button to leave the engine running while the officers are out of the vehicle, and you can take the keys with you, so the car cannot be stolen.
I'm only guessing but, while the car was running in this car park while the officers entered their head offices, I wonder if the car ran out of petrol, then of course the air conditioning stopped.
Its just a thought.............
Coming from a fellow Dog handler, my GSD is like my third child, and I spend more time with him than the wife, over a 24 hr period, so for the ***** on this board who stated the officer didn't give a sh*t about the dogs, they are sadly mistaken.
Its a job I wanted for a long time and it took me two years from start to finish to finally be out on the streets with my Dog.
However If this officer did lock the dogs in the car with no air conditioning, then I also hope he is prosecuted and sacked, as he is obviously a TOOL and giving me a bad name.
Kev
good to know your a copper
06 July 2009, 07:30 AM
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I own two cats - and to be perfectly honest I couldn't give two shiny $hits about them (The wife seems to like them).
But I wouldn't lock them in a car on a hot day for them to boil to death.
I guess your definition of not giving a $hit and mine are very different
06 July 2009, 11:22 AM
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I think all forces now are well versed in hanging out anyone that has done wrong with vicous skill and stealth.
Anyone that think the police is an old boy, protectionist organisation is living in the bent days of the 60s/70s. Policing is policed, and policed very tightly!
Anyone that think the police is an old boy, protectionist organisation is living in the bent days of the 60s/70s. Policing is policed, and policed very tightly!
So why is that short haired bitch in charge who lied through her back teeth about the de menezes case, then got the bacon pr machine to lie to the public getting promoted then?
She should have been sacked not promoted?
Answer that!
06 July 2009, 11:24 AM
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and well it should be!!
I hope that bast4rd is hung out to dry. He deserves it regardless of the fact he's a police officer. The fact that he is a police dog handler just makes the whole bloody thing worse as this toss bag, above ALL people should have known better.
I hope he loses his job and his pension. I even hope his next door neighbour gives him a good hiding too.
I wish the officers on here would stop moaning though. The public dont like you, there's only one reason for that, the way the majority of the force conduct themselves and the dreadful attitudes the majority of them have. A cracking example in my local paper this week. Old boy has £9000 worth of tools from his garage, was told over the phone that he should investigate himself and ring them in a few days if he had any information. Is there any wonder why the public despise the police when they do **** like that??
It seems most of the force is occupied with people full of themselves that are out to get payback for bad school days. Of course I'm being extremely stereo typical but I honestly feel that a decent, polite, down to earth copper is very much a rarity these days.
I hope that bast4rd is hung out to dry. He deserves it regardless of the fact he's a police officer. The fact that he is a police dog handler just makes the whole bloody thing worse as this toss bag, above ALL people should have known better.
I hope he loses his job and his pension. I even hope his next door neighbour gives him a good hiding too.
I wish the officers on here would stop moaning though. The public dont like you, there's only one reason for that, the way the majority of the force conduct themselves and the dreadful attitudes the majority of them have. A cracking example in my local paper this week. Old boy has £9000 worth of tools from his garage, was told over the phone that he should investigate himself and ring them in a few days if he had any information. Is there any wonder why the public despise the police when they do **** like that??
It seems most of the force is occupied with people full of themselves that are out to get payback for bad school days. Of course I'm being extremely stereo typical but I honestly feel that a decent, polite, down to earth copper is very much a rarity these days.
06 July 2009, 01:23 PM
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And I'm clearly an unpolite, uncaring individual who hates everyone, which is clearly demonstrated by the fact that I volunteered to stay on after my shift ended, to comfort and obtain a statement from a 16 year old rape victim.
I'd really like to meet the decent, polite, down to earth copper that you inform us is such a rarity
06 July 2009, 01:29 PM
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Scooby won't - flippin 'eck that sounds harsh.
Afraid I am very supportive of the Police - I think they have a tough job to do and a lot of what is done wrong is government meddling and red tape as well as trying too hard to form a results culture (in the NHS too).
Police drivers are some of the best on the road. Their marksman almost always win shooting competitions (against other HM Forces) due to their high skill levels. And despite this incident, UK Police dogs are amoung the best trained in the World.
Afraid I am very supportive of the Police - I think they have a tough job to do and a lot of what is done wrong is government meddling and red tape as well as trying too hard to form a results culture (in the NHS too).
Police drivers are some of the best on the road. Their marksman almost always win shooting competitions (against other HM Forces) due to their high skill levels. And despite this incident, UK Police dogs are amoung the best trained in the World.
06 July 2009, 02:32 PM
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Dont apologise for your view based on your experience Mattee!
I've very few issues with cops - in fact some are so almost human and just about OK they are even mates
!!!!!
That de Menezes issue - awful - do you think they laugh about it down the pub, with an innocents blood on their hands though? I doubt it - it was a massive mistake in trying to protect us and risking their life doing so under extremely difficult circumstances. Most of us would have sh@t ourselves being near a guy with a 'bomb' and run home to mummy!
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I've very few issues with cops - in fact some are so almost human and just about OK they are even mates
!!!!! That de Menezes issue - awful - do you think they laugh about it down the pub, with an innocents blood on their hands though? I doubt it - it was a massive mistake in trying to protect us and risking their life doing so under extremely difficult circumstances. Most of us would have sh@t ourselves being near a guy with a 'bomb' and run home to mummy!
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06 July 2009, 03:21 PM
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I like to think I try my hardest, but I'm obviously a ******* for comforting the witness who saw his friend murdered in front of him on Friday night and also uncaring in the way that I went to Subway to get food and drinks - out of my own money - for the 15 year old witness and arranged for his father to be with him when he was interviewed on video for what he saw of the murder.
And I'm clearly an unpolite, uncaring individual who hates everyone, which is clearly demonstrated by the fact that I volunteered to stay on after my shift ended, to comfort and obtain a statement from a 16 year old rape victim.
I'd really like to meet the decent, polite, down to earth copper that you inform us is such a rarity
And I'm clearly an unpolite, uncaring individual who hates everyone, which is clearly demonstrated by the fact that I volunteered to stay on after my shift ended, to comfort and obtain a statement from a 16 year old rape victim.
I'd really like to meet the decent, polite, down to earth copper that you inform us is such a rarity
Good for you for showing some compassion and not being the type of arsehole copper that gives the police service a bad name. That's my point entirely if more of your colleagues behaved as you have then public opinion of you would be a great deal higher and I'm sure your job would be an awful lot easier.
That said, please dont insult my intelligence and try and make me feel sorry for you having to do your job. I can gaurantee that as a Royal Marine with 10 years service I saw more than my fair share of carnage and destruction and everything that goes with it. I've never once bleated about it expecting sympathy as I knew all that was a possiblilty when I signed on the dotted line.
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06 July 2009, 03:37 PM
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Are you as thick as you sound ?
How exactly am I insulting both sides,
I have put forward a possibility as to why this could have happened,
As I stated the full facts are not known yet, so I will wait for them, not just make rash and stupid comments like yourself.
And yes I meant it when I said the officer getting sacked or seriously disciplined should happen if he/she has left the dogs as it has been reported. And this is from a fellow Dog handler.
06 July 2009, 03:50 PM
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How exactly am I insulting both sides,
I have put forward a possibility as to why this could have happened,
As I stated the full facts are not known yet, so I will wait for them, not just make rash and stupid comments like yourself.
And yes I meant it when I said the officer getting sacked or seriously disciplined should happen if he/she has left the dogs as it has been reported. And this is from a fellow Dog handler.
I have put forward a possibility as to why this could have happened,
As I stated the full facts are not known yet, so I will wait for them, not just make rash and stupid comments like yourself.
And yes I meant it when I said the officer getting sacked or seriously disciplined should happen if he/she has left the dogs as it has been reported. And this is from a fellow Dog handler.
which stupid comments would they be ?My comments are correct no matter what the reason, they were in charge of the dogs .. the dogs died due to neglect .. thus and try to keep up here, they are responsible.
Sstatements like "so for the ***** on this board" are clearly constructive.
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06 July 2009, 04:04 PM
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It's a shame to hear what happened to these dogs, it really is. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't intentional to leave them there to die and the handler probably feels like a bit of a dick now it's all come out in the press. People make mistakes though, it's not like he's **** on a granny's doorstep is it. But yes, he should be severley repromanded because he has clearly made a mess of things. I think the Police do a decent job for what it's worth, no doubt some of them are arseholes but you get them everywhere in society... I don't think the Police do a ''Are You An Arsehole'' test when they take people on to do the job. And with response to the random bickering that's started up over HM Armed Forces, then no, these boys and girls don't get the support or coverage that they deserve. But as already said by other people, they know what the job entails when they sign the papers.
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06 July 2009, 04:44 PM
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All be it one that was at odds with others (shame on me).
Quite why anyone would use this as an issue to complain about the Police is beyond my comprehension - there are so many more suitable subjects that could be used for this purpose.
Someone will have to explain to me why people keep carnivors as pets and feed them canned dead animal of dubious provenance.
Maybe it's because they are animal lovers?
