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26 June 2009, 10:47 PM
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27 June 2009, 01:28 AM
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Those PAM pics on the Pro-Polo site are what you will receive - they aren't genuine watch pics. The dial text is too White and the shock protection is all wrong on the movement. Also the strap is crap quality and the lume is badly inconsistent. The site just uses a v v good lightbox to take v v good pics....
If you look at this PAM - prowatch-polo Bell Ross Bell Ross Bell Ross Watches Bell Ross bell ross replica bell ross replicas bell ross Watch relojes Bell Ross breitling breitling breitling bentley watches breitling chronograph breitling chronometer breitling emergency breitli
You'll see that it's more obviously a replica. Bad L SWISS MADE L position and the 0035 serial that all the 111 reps have, plus close ups of the balance so you can see the incorrect shock protection clearer...
Pro-Polo QCs each watch they sell - idolrepicas and watcheden (same site) are drop shippers direct from the factory....you may get a good one / you may not. A lot of the watches from idolreplicas / watcheden are now not what are in the pics - the factories have updated or changed the models but the idolreplicas site have not updated their pics. Idolreplicas is an honest site but at the bottom end of honest sites.
If you look at this PAM - prowatch-polo Bell Ross Bell Ross Bell Ross Watches Bell Ross bell ross replica bell ross replicas bell ross Watch relojes Bell Ross breitling breitling breitling bentley watches breitling chronograph breitling chronometer breitling emergency breitli
You'll see that it's more obviously a replica. Bad L SWISS MADE L position and the 0035 serial that all the 111 reps have, plus close ups of the balance so you can see the incorrect shock protection clearer...
Pro-Polo QCs each watch they sell - idolrepicas and watcheden (same site) are drop shippers direct from the factory....you may get a good one / you may not. A lot of the watches from idolreplicas / watcheden are now not what are in the pics - the factories have updated or changed the models but the idolreplicas site have not updated their pics. Idolreplicas is an honest site but at the bottom end of honest sites.
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Rolex Sea-Dweller Deepsea With Swiss ETA 2836 Movement-1:1 Ultimate Version - Replica Sea Dweller Watch
27 June 2009, 01:59 AM
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That sea master for instance, the real one had the depth (600m) on the back, I take it the fake one wouldnt get that far down or are they still pretty similar like that? (just being a little nosey to see how well these chinese have copied watches, they seem to do quite well copying other things!)
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27 June 2009, 02:06 AM
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It'd be water-proof for the shower or swimming in the pool. I wouldn't take it to any real depth though. The one above is 3900M proof in the real version.
Specialised reppers are in the process of making the older Sea Dweller 16600 that will be guaranteed water-proof to the same depth as the genuine though... I've seen it in a pressure tester and they've got samples done to 800M so far...
Specialised reppers are in the process of making the older Sea Dweller 16600 that will be guaranteed water-proof to the same depth as the genuine though... I've seen it in a pressure tester and they've got samples done to 800M so far...
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27 June 2009, 02:06 AM
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From the guys making the 1:1 Sea Dweller 16600
"Take the Helium Escapement on the Sea-Dweller for example, it took us 12 attempts to finally solve the water leaking problem at over 700 meters (Lab test). The bar is now upgraded to 900 meters, but we pretty much think we've done the job as the genuine Sea-Dweller case also breaks in at 933 meters."
That's real 1:1 replication with the cases made to the same standard as Rolex do.
"Take the Helium Escapement on the Sea-Dweller for example, it took us 12 attempts to finally solve the water leaking problem at over 700 meters (Lab test). The bar is now upgraded to 900 meters, but we pretty much think we've done the job as the genuine Sea-Dweller case also breaks in at 933 meters."
That's real 1:1 replication with the cases made to the same standard as Rolex do.
27 June 2009, 10:13 AM
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Would appreciate your opinion on these two please.......
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Rolex Sea-Dweller Deepsea With Swiss ETA 2836 Movement-1:1 Ultimate Version - Replica Sea Dweller Watch
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Rolex Sea-Dweller Deepsea With Swiss ETA 2836 Movement-1:1 Ultimate Version - Replica Sea Dweller Watch
My lume shines blue/blue his more green/blue and it is poor lume.
The pip is wrong and again poor lume, and the locking clasp with the crown has rivet marks on the rear when mine is flush.
The engraving ORIGINAL ESCAPE VALVE/RING LOCK SYSTEM/ROLEXROLEXROLEX is not as bold as the original but close,I belive mine is engraved and my brothers is acid etch, I used a loope to exagerate.
The two watches you have shown are made by the same company in China, Nat will tell you where, he knows more about replica watches that I do.
The next time my brother visits I will photograph the two watches together.
I my opinion well worth $300ish if replicas are OK with you.
27 June 2009, 01:48 PM
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Thanks for your opinion Yoza.
I've only recently started buying watches due to the number of nice examples being posted up on scoobynet. Todate have purchased a Chase Durer and Ball Engineer Hydrocarbon, both of which I'm very pleased with.
I particularly like that rolex model but can't justify the expense of a genuine one at the moment.
I've only recently started buying watches due to the number of nice examples being posted up on scoobynet. Todate have purchased a Chase Durer and Ball Engineer Hydrocarbon, both of which I'm very pleased with.
I particularly like that rolex model but can't justify the expense of a genuine one at the moment.
27 June 2009, 02:16 PM
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The problem with buying and wearing fake watches as I see it.....
If you have geniune watches, and you have worked hard to buy them, then you buy a fake and you broadcast the fact, then automatically all your watches are fake.
And worse still, if you have genuine watches and then try to pass a blag as real, your credibility is blown in one fell swoop.
I believe even showing interest and admitting to working with/on fake watches can tarnish the reputation of a bonafide collector.
If you go to " hardcore
" horology sites, even the mention of Replicas is frowned upon.
I see them for what they are, some are sh1te rubbish, some are masterpieces and deserve credit for what they are.
Some have even given me a feeling that I have been somehow ripped off for buying the real deal.
If you have geniune watches, and you have worked hard to buy them, then you buy a fake and you broadcast the fact, then automatically all your watches are fake.
And worse still, if you have genuine watches and then try to pass a blag as real, your credibility is blown in one fell swoop.
I believe even showing interest and admitting to working with/on fake watches can tarnish the reputation of a bonafide collector.
If you go to " hardcore
" horology sites, even the mention of Replicas is frowned upon.I see them for what they are, some are sh1te rubbish, some are masterpieces and deserve credit for what they are.
Some have even given me a feeling that I have been somehow ripped off for buying the real deal.
27 June 2009, 03:08 PM
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Interesting to see some of the reps nowadays, how good they are, and hard to "call out" For example, I own (Gens)4 tags, a Seamaster, Raymond Weil and a Maurice Lacroix amongst the usual Armani/Hugo Boss dress watches and know enough people with Tag/Omega/Rolex/Breitling to sniff out most fakes.
However, Bell and Ross/Graham/U-boat/etc are pretty obscure, and I don't know enough about gens to tell a fake.
However, Bell and Ross/Graham/U-boat/etc are pretty obscure, and I don't know enough about gens to tell a fake.
27 June 2009, 03:25 PM
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Which Hydrocarbon did you get? I'm pretty new to this watch game and after seeing yoza's ***** (ooer
) I bought a "Madcow":
and it looks pretty good with the lights off
Which Hydrocarbon did you get? I'm pretty new to this watch game and after seeing yoza's ***** (ooer
) I bought a "Madcow":and it looks pretty good with the lights off
27 June 2009, 04:52 PM
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The problem with buying and wearing fake watches as I see it.....
If you have geniune watches, and you have worked hard to buy them, then you buy a fake and you broadcast the fact, then automatically all your watches are fake.
And worse still, if you have genuine watches and then try to pass a blag as real, your credibility is blown in one fell swoop.
I believe even showing interest and admitting to working with/on fake watches can tarnish the reputation of a bonafide collector.
If you go to " hardcore " horology sites, even the mention of Replicas is frowned upon.
I see them for what they are, some are sh1te rubbish, some are masterpieces and deserve credit for what they are.
Some have even given me a feeling that I have been somehow ripped off for buying the real deal.
If you have geniune watches, and you have worked hard to buy them, then you buy a fake and you broadcast the fact, then automatically all your watches are fake.
And worse still, if you have genuine watches and then try to pass a blag as real, your credibility is blown in one fell swoop.
I believe even showing interest and admitting to working with/on fake watches can tarnish the reputation of a bonafide collector.
If you go to " hardcore
" horology sites, even the mention of Replicas is frowned upon.I see them for what they are, some are sh1te rubbish, some are masterpieces and deserve credit for what they are.
Some have even given me a feeling that I have been somehow ripped off for buying the real deal.
The majority of everyday gen owners (just people who buy a watch or Two, not collectors or hardcore fans) would not be able to tell a top end rep from the real thing 90% of the time.
Now that reppers are making 1:1 cases for a lot of watches and using Swiss movements same as the real thing, or even using gen movements it's even less clear what is what and what is worth paying for. The latest Rolex reps are true 1:1 and will take the 3135 movement for example. Even the mass produced factories are starting to make reps that will accept all gen parts as they know this is what the customer wants now. They'll sell them with average/ok parts and then the dealers/buyers build them up as they want/afford...
Not to mention the scams/swaps going on when watches are "serviced" or "repaired" even at AD's or "respected" dealers...
It's all a bit Hhhmmmmmmmm lets wait and see where this is going at the moment....
Edit - I'll add that i don't own any rep/fake Rolex/Omega/Breitling etc... to be honest the most i'll pay for a watch is £5K so i can just trade/sell to get something if i want it, there's enough of them around so they are affordable.
What i'm interested in is other brands like Ulysse Nardin or Graham that make beautiful watches but i wouldn't pay RRP for them. IMO it's not worth it for what you get. Some of the reps of them though....coppied 1:1 from the real thing and side by side they are 99% the same. You'd never get called out because who the hell has seen a real UN Ocean Chronometer anyway
And i know for a fact that the parts for the Grahams and other niche brands (other than movement) are made in China and assembled in Europe....and the reps are made in the same place but just assembled in China...Also, i'd quite like a few vintage Rolex's, but again, i'm not paying £20K for a 6263. But i might pay £500 for a 1:1 case, £500 for a genuine Valjoux 72 movement and £500 for a gen dial/hands, and £100 for a genuine bracelet
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i've been after a planet ocean crono for ayear or two now, but never found a good or close rep, the sub dials were always wrong, but i've now been told you can get one with all the correct markings and crono spacings
this sites worth a look at Index page
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this sites worth a look at Index page
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Yeah you can now. They Chinese have just made one using a 7750 movement with an extra module to move the chronos in closer.
They do this with lots of watches by using this movement - Rolex Daytona, Audemars Piguet ROOS, IWC Portugese etc.
They're getting better at it. The first ones on the Daytonas and IWC's had gears running on the metal plate so they wore out quickly and stopped working. The newest one on the PO incorporates jeweled pivots so it is a lot better and should last a good few years...
Quite ingenious really.
They do this with lots of watches by using this movement - Rolex Daytona, Audemars Piguet ROOS, IWC Portugese etc.
They're getting better at it. The first ones on the Daytonas and IWC's had gears running on the metal plate so they wore out quickly and stopped working. The newest one on the PO incorporates jeweled pivots so it is a lot better and should last a good few years...
Quite ingenious really.
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Personally, I declared everything to my insurers, including serial numbers and photographs of serial numbers, photo's of the watches and boxes, warranty cards etc for my watches so that if I did get mugged or burgled, I would have less trouble claiming. I also keep them in a wall safe when not being worn.
Taken from Darren Reays website (Respected watch dealer-I have bought from him and his service is impeccable!)
"Rolex Watch Register
Darren Reay Watches specialises in used Rolex watches
Rolex UK log the serial numbers of all of their watches and have done for many years now. If a watch is ever 'lost/stolen' it is put on the Rolex register at Rolex in Bexley. Rolex provide a free service whereby the public or trade can call them and check a Rolex watch against their register. They will ask for your address, land line phone number, watch serial number and model number. They go away and check their records and then call you back with the result. Be warned that if it turns out that the watch you have checked is on their register then Rolex will inform the police and you can expect a call or visit from the police soon after. If you would like to check your Rolex watch with Rolex Bexley please call them on the following number Monday - Friday during normal office hours:
Telephone: (01322) 553454 "
28 June 2009, 11:01 AM
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Just read this as I saw an advert on one of the pages here for Rolex's at $50
I only have a couple of watches - a Rolex Daytona, and an Omega Seamaster - both bought brand new and genuine from the dealers (In fact the wife had to pre-order the Rolex as they were all sold before they even came out in the dealers)
Omega's are relatively cheap - mine was £1200.. the Rolex on the other hand was very expensive and they are smaller than my large size Omega - so I tend to wear it very rarely (personally having bought brand new and compared to the Omega I think they are a rip-off anyway.............. thats life)
I am quite shocked at some of these sites - I always thought these kind of things were always illegal regardless of the fact they say replica
To me its like infringing a watch patent - but I'm not a lawyer
At some of the prices quoted I'm tempted to have a watch for every day of the week - I didnt buy mine because they were genuine - bought them because liked the look of them.....
At these prices I wouldnt care if they were fake - like the Graham watches, but cripes it is a nonsense that these sites can exist
Just read this as I saw an advert on one of the pages here for Rolex's at $50
I only have a couple of watches - a Rolex Daytona, and an Omega Seamaster - both bought brand new and genuine from the dealers (In fact the wife had to pre-order the Rolex as they were all sold before they even came out in the dealers)
Omega's are relatively cheap - mine was £1200.. the Rolex on the other hand was very expensive and they are smaller than my large size Omega - so I tend to wear it very rarely (personally having bought brand new and compared to the Omega I think they are a rip-off anyway.............. thats life)
I am quite shocked at some of these sites - I always thought these kind of things were always illegal regardless of the fact they say replica
To me its like infringing a watch patent - but I'm not a lawyer
At some of the prices quoted I'm tempted to have a watch for every day of the week - I didnt buy mine because they were genuine - bought them because liked the look of them.....
At these prices I wouldnt care if they were fake - like the Graham watches, but cripes it is a nonsense that these sites can exist
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Holy thread revival BatMan.
Fabreeze, its known as The Awakening....
You may feel aggrieved but believe me, however good they look they are not as good as the original.
I have handled and worked on a wide range of "replicas" from scrap to unbelievable quality, but most of them dont last.
Also you may find it difficult to get them worked on, especially from larger dealers, in extreme cases you wont get them back.
PLEASE EXCUSE MY SPELLING, ANYTHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, PLEASE ASK...x
Fabreeze, its known as The Awakening....
You may feel aggrieved but believe me, however good they look they are not as good as the original.
I have handled and worked on a wide range of "replicas" from scrap to unbelievable quality, but most of them dont last.
Also you may find it difficult to get them worked on, especially from larger dealers, in extreme cases you wont get them back.
PLEASE EXCUSE MY SPELLING, ANYTHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, PLEASE ASK...x