First BNP councilor in Lancashire
08 June 2009, 08:51 AM
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It is democracy in action. The people have spoken. It is now up to the main parties to sort their own shortcomings and make themselves more attractive to the electorate.
Also the European elections are carried out on the basis of proportional representation, I couldn't see these results being repeated in a General Election.
Also the European elections are carried out on the basis of proportional representation, I couldn't see these results being repeated in a General Election.
08 June 2009, 10:01 AM
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Its a sad day to see the BNP gain any credibility. These idiots exploit the vulnerable and easily manipulated in just the same way that sharply dressed Austrian did in the 1930s...
The older generation made huge sacrifices to rid us of this lot, be they my English grandparents, my other halfs Russian grandparents (one has no known grave) or Polish Spitfire pilots.
We mustn't let them come back on our watch.
The older generation made huge sacrifices to rid us of this lot, be they my English grandparents, my other halfs Russian grandparents (one has no known grave) or Polish Spitfire pilots.
We mustn't let them come back on our watch.
08 June 2009, 11:04 AM
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Let's not kid ourselves here the BNP are the National Front in suits!!!
Their 2 MEP represents a national embarrassment for our great country!
It's worth noting though that their vote didn't actually go up very much, their 2 seats are more due to the total collapse of the Labour vote that a swing towards extremism
Their 2 MEP represents a national embarrassment for our great country!
It's worth noting though that their vote didn't actually go up very much, their 2 seats are more due to the total collapse of the Labour vote that a swing towards extremism
08 June 2009, 11:23 AM
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This is terrible for the UK, but just as f1_fan I also live not far from the area where this idiot party has won, and it's no surprise at all as pretty much every moron criminal from these parts has something to do with Padiham (no offense to any decent folk that live there).
It's a shame that people in the UK are being brainwashed into thinking the BNP have any credibility at all, they are a bunch of racists, criminal thugs and I imagine the IQ of the entire party and supporters is less than 100.
If anyone voted BNP, or is considering it, do yourselves and us all a favour - try reading about the BNP properly, and not just the made up propoganda they peddle. And try doing some research into what fascists idiots are like in real life.
Let's just hope that this win is just a shout from the UK to the current gov't and some sort of cry for help, and that the BNP don't do anything else in the proper elections.
If they do win more seats, then we are out of here and I would imagine most other descent folk will be off as well leaving the UK to become a hole of rascists and white extremists.
I don't like fascists, white or black - life is too short for people to be falling out over ridiclous notions.
It's a shame that people in the UK are being brainwashed into thinking the BNP have any credibility at all, they are a bunch of racists, criminal thugs and I imagine the IQ of the entire party and supporters is less than 100.
If anyone voted BNP, or is considering it, do yourselves and us all a favour - try reading about the BNP properly, and not just the made up propoganda they peddle. And try doing some research into what fascists idiots are like in real life.
Let's just hope that this win is just a shout from the UK to the current gov't and some sort of cry for help, and that the BNP don't do anything else in the proper elections.
If they do win more seats, then we are out of here and I would imagine most other descent folk will be off as well leaving the UK to become a hole of rascists and white extremists.
I don't like fascists, white or black - life is too short for people to be falling out over ridiclous notions.
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08 June 2009, 12:01 PM
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For all the railing against the BNP it is because of the lack of enthusiasm for the mainstream parties that they have got the support that they have. The mainstream parties have no coherent policies that would allow the BNP to be shown up in five seconds flat in any normal debate and, not only that, but they won't enter into any debate with or about the BNP so handing them even more credibility.
Interesting that there was violence when he tried to enter the count, supposedly from 'anti-fascists'. More like 'anti-democracy' to me. I also thought it was highly insulting to the electorate when the other elected MEPs from Nick Griffin's area walked off stage without hearing his speech (as reported on Sky earlier). If you want rid of the BNP then people have to have a) policies that the electorate want to vote for and b) a debate with/about the BNP and what they stand for. If your policies don't stack up against what they offer then you sow what you reap .....
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Interesting that there was violence when he tried to enter the count, supposedly from 'anti-fascists'. More like 'anti-democracy' to me. I also thought it was highly insulting to the electorate when the other elected MEPs from Nick Griffin's area walked off stage without hearing his speech (as reported on Sky earlier). If you want rid of the BNP then people have to have a) policies that the electorate want to vote for and b) a debate with/about the BNP and what they stand for. If your policies don't stack up against what they offer then you sow what you reap .....
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
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08 June 2009, 12:14 PM
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This is terrible for the UK, but just as f1_fan I also live not far from the area where this idiot party has won, and it's no surprise at all as pretty much every moron criminal from these parts has something to do with Padiham (no offense to any decent folk that live there).
So what's changed in that area to cause the swing in the electorate?
Has it been subject to being used as a immigrant dumping ground of past years or is it a hotspot in attracting newcomers? Or is it reaping the rewards of previous immigration and settlement causing current tension and segregation?
Has "The City" been too ignorant of government policies affecting people outside of the M25? Is the local council run by a bunch of sandal wearing lefties?
try reading about the BNP properly, and not just the made up propaganda they peddle. And try doing some research into what fascists idiots are like in real life.
So when reading up; better to check out any published court cases, judgements and criminal history for the individuals concerned, and make your own conclusions.
Also bearing in mind that fraud charges affects MPs across all parties
08 June 2009, 12:16 PM
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history tells us that a failure of the "left" is often followed by resurgence of people like the BNP who pander to the insecurities of the idiots and ill-informed who are sadly quite widespread amongst the population (of all countries)
08 June 2009, 12:25 PM
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I would find it hard to describe the current government or policies as being from the left.
The BNP success was more due to a lack of support for the government and a very low turnout than it was an endorsement of their ideology...thankfully
08 June 2009, 12:39 PM
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For all the railing against the BNP it is because of the lack of enthusiasm for the mainstream parties that they have got the support that they have. The mainstream parties have no coherent policies that would allow the BNP to be shown up in five seconds flat in any normal debate and, not only that, but they won't enter into any debate with or about the BNP so handing them even more credibility.
Interesting that there was violence when he tried to enter the count, supposedly from 'anti-fascists'. More like 'anti-democracy' to me. I also thought it was highly insulting to the electorate when the other elected MEPs from Nick Griffin's area walked off stage without hearing his speech (as reported on Sky earlier). If you want rid of the BNP then people have to have a) policies that the electorate want to vote for and b) a debate with/about the BNP and what they stand for. If your policies don't stack up against what they offer then you sow what you reap .....
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Dave
Interesting that there was violence when he tried to enter the count, supposedly from 'anti-fascists'. More like 'anti-democracy' to me. I also thought it was highly insulting to the electorate when the other elected MEPs from Nick Griffin's area walked off stage without hearing his speech (as reported on Sky earlier). If you want rid of the BNP then people have to have a) policies that the electorate want to vote for and b) a debate with/about the BNP and what they stand for. If your policies don't stack up against what they offer then you sow what you reap .....
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
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Get a lot of airtime though, mostly as a smoke screen to distract us from the disorganised dubiously competent crap that is the mainstream parties.
Let us all unite behind a common hatred of these *****. Hooray for democracy. Get real, democracy is exactly what allows the BNP a voice. Take it on the chin, or would censorship be better?
If the only answer the mainstream parties have to the likes of the BNP is to shout "Racist", dismiss them offhand or just blank them when a well-groomed hedgehog could punch massive holes in their rhetoric then we really are in trouble.
The mainstream parties need to grow up and stop acting like children.
Kevin
08 June 2009, 01:12 PM
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I'm not sure that the current circumstances count as a 'failure of he left'.
I would find it hard to describe the current government or policies as being from the left.
The BNP success was more due to a lack of support for the government and a very low turnout than it was an endorsement of their ideology...thankfully
I would find it hard to describe the current government or policies as being from the left.
The BNP success was more due to a lack of support for the government and a very low turnout than it was an endorsement of their ideology...thankfully
yes indeed -- but its a perception thing, people assumed that the Labour government would reduce the gab between the rich and poor and effect some sort of wealth redistribution
all they have seen is bankers getting rich beyond the dreams of avarice and Labour MP's with their snouts in the trough (most labour people arn't to worried about the tory MP's because it was assumed they already had their noses in the trough any way)
die hard labour -- the areas that have seen the biggest swings to the far right feel very very let down -- just listen to the people of Salford talk about Hazel Blears
08 June 2009, 04:30 PM
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So what's changed in that area to cause the swing in the electorate?
Has it been subject to being used as a immigrant dumping ground of past years or is it a hotspot in attracting newcomers? Or is it reaping the rewards of previous immigration and settlement causing current tension and segregation?
Has it been subject to being used as a immigrant dumping ground of past years or is it a hotspot in attracting newcomers? Or is it reaping the rewards of previous immigration and settlement causing current tension and segregation?
They are staunch anti capitalism/conservative/education (
) so who do they vote for now Labour have mucked up, yes the BNP.Most of the type of folk that live in that ward are easily led as well.
08 June 2009, 09:31 PM
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The ****wits that voted for BNP should be ashamed of themselves.
I know people in certain areas are frustrated, but giving these bigoted ***** power will take us 150 years backwards.
I know people in certain areas are frustrated, but giving these bigoted ***** power will take us 150 years backwards.
08 June 2009, 10:45 PM
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09 June 2009, 09:56 AM
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09 June 2009, 01:49 PM
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09 June 2009, 02:41 PM
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Points well made, picking up the ball and storming off the pitch is something usually reserved for children, so what does that say about the other (mainstream) parties? The BNP are after all a minority party (although all the fuss being made you would think this was otherwise) that have a manifesto/policy with more contradictions in it than there are holes in my garden sieve. They have some valid points admittedly but overall they are simply not clever enough to be anything other than an amusing (to me at least) distraction.
Get a lot of airtime though, mostly as a smoke screen to distract us from the disorganised dubiously competent crap that is the mainstream parties.
Let us all unite behind a common hatred of these *****. Hooray for democracy. Get real, democracy is exactly what allows the BNP a voice. Take it on the chin, or would censorship be better?
If the only answer the mainstream parties have to the likes of the BNP is to shout "Racist", dismiss them offhand or just blank them when a well-groomed hedgehog could punch massive holes in their rhetoric then we really are in trouble.
The mainstream parties need to grow up and stop acting like children.
Kevin
Get a lot of airtime though, mostly as a smoke screen to distract us from the disorganised dubiously competent crap that is the mainstream parties.
Let us all unite behind a common hatred of these *****. Hooray for democracy. Get real, democracy is exactly what allows the BNP a voice. Take it on the chin, or would censorship be better?
If the only answer the mainstream parties have to the likes of the BNP is to shout "Racist", dismiss them offhand or just blank them when a well-groomed hedgehog could punch massive holes in their rhetoric then we really are in trouble.
The mainstream parties need to grow up and stop acting like children.
Kevin
What worries me is that the mainstream parties themselves are made up of those with even less real world intelligence than Kevin's well groomed hedgehog.
"Intelligent politician" is an oxymoron of some magnitude in many cases.