I'd use Carl Davey anytime, great guy and so helpful .. no I don't know him outside of buying these bits off him! And billet fuel rails,injector o-ring sets, etc.

I used a set of the original Tufnol Carp insulating 10mm spacers on my classic when I fitted the 20G turbo. Fitted spot on and worked.. manifold was cool / cold to the touch after.

He does pure spacers - 20mm ally, or insulating 8mm PTFE with build in 0-rings, or the 10mm original ones.

Not tried them on the Hatch but at build time or when I pull the manifold to fit the inlet pipe I think I may try a set.

http://www.carldavey.co.uk/products.php

 

the spaces must be good, just tried to order a set, but there out of stock. going to order the Titanium Wrap and tape. Does anyone stock this stuff in the UK?

 

back on track with some photos of cars..

 

I did find it in the UK at vastly inflated prices... best order direct. Some other main stockists may have the spacers sitting on their shelves...


A

 

a hole saw & a die grinder with a hugh speed steel burr lol

 

Anyone with a hatch that's installed manifold spacers?

Was there any issues with TMIC -> manifold pipe or problems with the increased height and the bonnet / TMIC ducting?

 

Not that I know of, he did have issues with the 10mm spacers on some of the late classics, ones with coil on top of the manifold which made the plug leads tight for length.

I'll be going for the 8mm with O rings when it comes time to swap injectors.

 

Anyone want a set of spacers am about to order a set saves shipping charges thought i might get a few sets for other members on here and you can pay me when they arrive however if there are any customs charges they will have to be split.

Works out way cheaper than buying the aluminum ones from carl davey @£220 they only cost $85 from grim speed. I have also been told that the one from grim speed made out of Phenolic plastic are better

Apsotle you want some?

Immy

 

PM'd you Immy.

 

The 8mm PTFE ones from Carl are £110 Inc del and are as good as the old 10mm ones for heat but the grimspeed one are only 8mm but made from the same material that Carl used in his original 10mm spacers.
The aluminium ones are for fitting different manifolds or lifting the manifold for front entry aren't they?

 

OK so we have a little confusion here...

As Paul666 states the ali ones are not the ones we want...

And the Grimmspeed ones are recommended to fit with 2 sets of gaskets = £ ? ?

I know they have fitted some without gaskets, but who wants to do that ?

TBH I was swaying towards the Carl Davey ones - who says the PTFE ones he makes are inferior to the Grimmspeed ones ?

And in the group buy Carl was doing them for £ 88 delivered and you dont need gaskets.

So what is the best deal ?


Maybe Immy you might like to contact Carl and ask him to sort us out a group buy - maybe we'd get 5 takers and maybe he'd do a deal for £100 ono.

What do you reckon ?

A

 

Carl Davey said his are inferior?......if so are we not better of ordering the Grim Speed ones?

Yeh I'll try Car Davey tomorrow morning as i want all this stuff here before I fit the turbo.

I am also going for the Titanium blanket for the turbo $200 from DEI and might order a few rolls of the Ali tape to ,but this will have to come direct from the states or does anyone know a UK stockist?

Immy

 

Ha ha. No Immy you said :

"I have also been told that the one from grim speed made out of Phenolic plastic are better"


So I wanted to know why they are better than the Carl Davey ones ...

I had read on another site that some plastic ones can warp - but no brands were mentioned.


Also Cosworth do some too called 'Thermal Guard Composite Intake Gasket' at around $75

http://www.circuitmotorsports.net/cos-20013283.html

Circuit Motorsports also do the Grimmspeed ones with 12% discount

http://www.circuitmotorsports.net/gs018001.html (the ones you see priced are 3mm add $ for the 8mm).


So I guess we need 'an authority' to come and say YES the Carl Davey PTFE ones are the better than the old tufnolcarp variety...

Is there anybody out there .... Rheid / Neil ? Stans ? Rob84 ?

I want some but am not too sure now which ones ?


Also worth considering if doing an USA order is the Perrin intake silicon - well worth getting at a sensible price (here £225 - there USA £125 +).

Food for thought.

A

 

I've been lurking, waiting for a definitive answer

Its one of the many things I haven't yet done

If you use a CAI, I recommend the mods I did on the side vents and the slot in the fog cover. AI temps now 1-2C above ambient (as long as you are moving !!).

I'll be interested when a decision is made

Back into lurk mode

 

I contacted Carl Davey today by e-mail ,however on his website it says it can take up to two weeks to reply
Anyone got a direct number for him or now any traders stocking the spacers?

I've orderd The titanium turbo cover £240 should be here tomorrow can't be botherd waiting for all the bits to come from the states I want all the parts fitting this weekend.

Immy

 

Which is better? That's a tough call!

What I can say is that PTFE typically has a lower rate of thermal conductivity than Tufnol carp phenolic - 0.25 W/(m.K) vs 0.37 W/(m.K) respectively. Given the above and assuming same material thickness, PTFE would be the better option for our intended application - at least from an insulating standpoint. How the 2 materials compare for compression, deformation, prolonged exposure to heat etc etc I couldn't say.

Gasketing is another area for consideration. Personally I like the Carl Davey design using Viton 'O' rings as gaskets. In the unlikely event of deformation, the 'O' ring will simply expand (within reason) to fill the void, something a conventional gasket can't do. Also by using 'O' rings you don't have the thickness of the gaskets to factor in, however marginal that may be.

I'm sure both products are excellent. Grimmspeed products as a rule are top notch, they've sold oodles of these kits and I've not read anything negative about them. Carl Davey products are highly respected and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have released the PTFE version to the market without doing his homework first.

And I would imagine the cost would be fairly similar by the time you factor in gaskets, shipping, VAT and duty for the GS kit.

Anyway, these are my personal thoughts, take them as you will and I refuse to be held accountable!

Cheers, Neil

P.S. I must admit I wasn't aware of the CD product until this topic was raised, I was going to buy the GS kit - but probably not now. It would be good if someone could see about a discount on the CD kits if we were to order a few of them.

 

Rheid I've sent him an e-mail i hope he gets back to me today.

Who wants a set then?

 

I'll have a set pleeaasseee.

A

 

Last group buy was £88 delivered, maybe he'll do that again if we get say 5 or more takers?

Cheers, Neil

 

Anyone else in?

Juggers
Apostle
Rheid

 

anyone fitted daytime running lights yet?

there must be some that fitthe front bumper slats near the fog lights of the Hatch.

 

LED running lights have been done, someone cut a small rectangular hole above the fogs, looked ok but not quite OE.

 

IIRC they were an option for JDM. Japanparts sell the official kit.

Personally DRLs are a big no no. Cool when they first appeared on Audis but now that Halfrauds sell the kits by the boat load to every wee boy/girl racer in the country they should be confined to Room 101 - in my opinion of course!

 

Immy, if you've not already done so, stick a post up on the hatch forum. See if we can drum up more takers.

 

cheers for the link.. it says does not fit STi.

Was jusdt thinking that seeing as I leave my side lights on when I turn the car off (so side lights are on all the time... like DTRL's) maybe daytime running lights are availible that would be a better option.

 

Not the one I was thinking of but the same idea.

 

ooooh they look good

 

Here is the link from IWSTI with more info, looks like they are made by Liberal aero.

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-exter...ts-drls-5.html

 

Anyone else in?

Juggers
Apostle
Rheid
Stan

 

For info:
If you are running a cosworth oil pump (or similar high pressure pump), it may be worth checking the clips holding the return oil feed from the turbo in place are working. Mine were held on using the Subaru wire clips and the lower one was so lose you could easily push it round with your finger, and allowed oil to leak onto the lagged up-pipes and produced oil smoke that filled the road behind to the point of almost zero visibility ! This was when I was giving it a short test blast (!) today, thinking I had cured the smoke problem (discovered Tues) by putting jubilee clips on the 2 breather hoses coming out of the drivers side cam cover, which had a pool of oil around them which was dripping down the cam cover onto the lagging, causing clouds of oily smoke behind. Now seems there were 2 oil leak probs.
To put a jubilee clip on the return pipe looks like a steering rack out job
which by co-incidence was on the job list.