skid11

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But the police generally dont have high performance cars do they?
Firearms or traffic cars not included

Jamo

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dont be racing any dark grey evo's or plain looking seriously quick scoobys in derbyshire

there is 2 or 3 evo's based at butterly in ripley and 2 bugeye and 2 new shape impreza's all as far as I know have been to scoobyclinic! lol

james

fatherpierre

Mainly oil burners across the board now.

Firearms cars are (Met) 530D, as are traffic cars. Plenty quick enough.

scoobeenut

No I,m not suggesting that a speed cam will stop a criminal holding up a bank, but surely all this technology can be used to track them once they have commited this crime without the need for a high speed pursuit?

Once the criminals know they are being chased they will just drive faster to escape so causing the escalation. You can't tell me that the police don't also get a buzz from driving fast?

Jamo

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hello sir, hows you and your dog?

ScoobyWon't

Hmm, follow them in the chopper and park it up in someone's back garden when you need to catch a car thief?

TBH, I think the land-sharks are much more fun to use to track offenders. And the site of the German Shepherd clamping itself on to a crim makes me smile want to be a dog handler.

My private Fiesta Zetec S is faster than the Focus estate at work But I always stick to just below the speed limit

billythekid

Most large forces will have quite a few decent cars outside of the normal traffic cars. Some are loaners, others are genuine force cars. Then there are the bikes...

skid11

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Watch for dark coloured 330d's or 530d's in the West Midlands area certainly.
No pursuit no chance of an early arrest either!

fatherpierre

All good, ta.

The hound is on track, and almost trained to the level his terrier brother is at. His ***** are off, but he still insists on eating shoes and humping visitors

Jamo

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mine has lost his too! the 8 stone rottie is now the 11 stone rottie, but he has mellowed loads you would though wouldnt you

glad your ok mate not really on here much anymore, and just about to sell my pride and joy

fatherpierre

You don't really need anything special in this country. The roads are crowded and there's a helicopter to guide you in.

The 530Ds do an indicated 147mph, and in cities an average police driver can keep up with any motor in a 1.7D Astra until its tyres are shredded.

fatherpierre

The wife, or the 944?

He's so much more dosile sonce the ***** went, but still a ******. The terrier is the boss, though, and has kept him in his place with some major nips!

nik52wrx

Well thats worrying! Rip through town with the potential of killing a pedestrian, causing a crash etc only to find some old dear can't find her cat.
Incidently, i was on passing my childrens school last week when a police car passed me in the opposite direction travelling at normal speed then 10 seconds later another police car appeared racing along with lights flashing. As the road leads to a dead end they must have been responding to the same call.
It therefore seems to me that the second car, piloted by a young bobby, was a little more excited than the older, and possibly more experienced chap in the first car.
I assume both will have had the same info regarding the call.
Flashing lights and sirens make some in the police force think they are in an episode of Starsky & Hutch.
Nik.

Jamo

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the scooby! I didnt think id sell it either, but im just not using it anymore! it seems such a waste for it to be just sat not used. thinking of getting a caravan and a pajero lol. I must be getting old mate

s70rjw

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If you want to just found the abandoned car then fine. One of the Police's jobs is to detect crime. How do you identify offenders? Modern day cars have soft plastic interiors. No good for fingerprints. Unless the driver bleeds/ ejaculates or dribbles over the car there is little chance of DNA. So then we come to witnesses. Can they formally identify the driver at id procedure? CCTV evidence. If the offender denies it is them on the CCTV, how do you prove beyond reasonable doubt it is them? Physical evidence. The occupants of the car being persued have proceeds of crime in the car. Lets say jewellery from a burglary. 2 hours after police have "used another method" to track the occupants of the vehicle (that vehicle having been abandoned) the jewellery has been sold to buy heroin. The physical evidence has gone.The description from CCTV. You arrest your offender who will want a solicitor. The solicitor will advise the detainee to make no comment.So what evidence will the police take to the CPS? In the above scenario, there is none. The case above would not reach the CPS.Police do not persue vehicles for fun. They have a job to do and do not expect to make friends doing it. Police budgets are being reduced drastically by the current government. 80% of the bpolice budget goes in wages. Thats for officers and staff. That gives forces just 20% of their budget to invest in everything else, including technology, vehicles, fuel and investigating crime. That's just a taste of reality from the front line.........

Leslie

It is a residential area with a 30 mph limit. 90 mph is excessively fast in such an area regardless of how much training the driver had etc. To do so without the lights and sirens only makes the stuation worse.

Was it really worth the risk of killing an innocent party as was obviously well and truly proved in this case?

Les

GC8WRX

I keep terlling you all coppers are *******, **** all will happen to the cop involved, they look after their own!

cster

Found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving and remanded in custody pending sentencing.

LC Geezer

It's a tricky old situation. Hit the lights and sound straight away and you give the (potential) offender an early warning that you're onto them - giving them a reasonable chance of getting away if they are a distance from you when you do light up. Ideally, you want to get right up close to them before alerting them of your presence. Hence the use of speed without having lights/sirens on. Is it worth it? Well certainly not in this case but you can't always tell that in advance. If he knew he was going to hit the girl, he wouldn't have done it. If he knew the pursued car would turn out to be a false activation, he wouldn't have done it. He knew neither in advance. I'm not defending - just reasoning. Flame suit on. Shields up Mr. Sulu.

Timwinner

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Are you sure ALL of them are, Not just some of them. He is going to be sentenced in a few weeks and will go away for an average term for DBDD. Interesting post, Not one part of it at all accurate.

cster

Well the interesting point here is that all he had to go on was a flag up from his ANPR machine.
I would have thought it would be difficult to find a lower priority target - and that would include dough-nuts.

skid11

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Plenty of opinions on the outcome before the verdict.Most wrong
What should the sentence be then?
No previous convictions.Judge looking at a custodial hence the remand in custody.
At a guess 2 years??

Timwinner

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I think it will be 4 months, Serve 2 minus time on remand, Which is much the same as most people get for this. Its not because of his job.
The sentence is too short, but let us remember its too short for everyone who gets it, not just a police officer.

moff1888

All Scooby drivers are choppers with small ******* and are always speeding like idiots.

Not true I hear you say....funny that the ol brush and tar thing.

nik52wrx

There's nothing tricky about it at all, lights and sirens are there for the public's awareness not the criminals.
Driving through a built up area at speeds of up to 94mph with no warning to the public is idiotic hence his pending spell in jail, however, on a motorway for instance, lighting up and blasting the sirens at the last minute probably works in most cases.
Nik.

Stainy

Can I breath now?

Leslie

Hope he gets severely punished.

Les

Felix.

It’s difficult to weigh up at that exact moment of what to do for the best. His intentions were to catch the car as it hit the ANPR – could have been a serious criminal, rapist, child paedophile driving it that caused the ANPR to ‘ping’.

We had a debate at work about so called ‘silent approaches’ to breaks etc. A number of alarms are monitored and can detect if a number of sensors have been activated in the building and in what time scale so that you know someone is walking about. We have burglars who are terrorising the occupants in their houses and we had so called ‘sting’ operations in which a house is wired with CCTV etc and you wait for it to be burgled and catch the culprits in the act. All of these required a ‘silent’ approach by police response teams to arrive as quick as we can. Our argument was that if you want us to drive above the speed limits then we are going to use ‘blues and twos’ which I did for one ‘sting’ operation – frightened the suspects who became suspicious of the house and set it on fire risking next door as well. Of course I wasn’t popular with CID, but my argument was that if anything happens on route – I wouldn’t be backed up by the job (as in this case).

Here’s another thing that was brought in – in light of the mobile phone usage whilst driving. Police drivers cannot use their radio whilst driving. How is that practical, especially if we are all single crewed.... If I’m perusing a car, then as soon as I use the radio to inform control where it is I should pull over. If I’m going to an emergency call and the control room is updating me, I have to pull over to take the call – how bad is that, how confusing will that be then to other motorist on the road seeing a police car on blues and twos stopping and starting down the road. Of course we don’t do it. But as before, the job will not back you up when all you are doing is trying to help someone or lock up the bad guy.

For the punishment, I think he got 2 years (I don’t believe he was on remand). To put this into perspective, a local youth (thief, car criminal and all round pain in the a*se) stole a car with his mates, drove it like a maniac through a children’s play park, drove at a 7 year old, hit and killed him outright and then fled from the car. Eventually caught, denied it despite overwhelming evidence, eventually admitted it when found guilty, showed no remorse and was out after 18 months..!!!! Now currently out in the public stealing cars again. The bobby in this case was trying his best to do a job and certainly never intended this to happen.

SteveScooby

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Maximum sntence for Deat by Dangerous driving is 14 years, I think he'll get closer to 4 years than 4 months

dunx

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More of a reference to the quality of the driving, not the following call down....

dunx

P.S. As for the sentencing, don't go there.... scots 1 - judges nil idea.