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Old Nov 9, 2011 | 09:45 PM
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the fuel problem and piston damage occured before i had the upgrade . with doing the upgrade and giving the car a bit of a hammering it's been the icing on the cake so to speak. i'm not blaming the mapper i blame subaru for not recalling the car and putting cheap *** pistons in it insted of forged ones .anything to cut costs.
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by david.mufcsti
the fuel problem and piston damage occured before i had the upgrade . with doing the upgrade and giving the car a bit of a hammering it's been the icing on the cake so to speak. i'm not blaming the mapper i blame subaru for not recalling the car and putting cheap *** pistons in it insted of forged ones .anything to cut costs.
They may cost £32K now new but when the STI was launched in 2008 they were £25K! Built to a price? When I got mine new in Oct 2009 the dealer didn't even know there was a map issue and there was a reflash available. How many 2008's never had the remap and Subaru hope they get over 3 years old before they go bang?
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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im getting the engine rebuilt with wossener pistons and new conrods, it's going to need running in so the mapper is going to set the map to run low for a about 1,000 miles then drop the oil and put it back on the rolling road and get it upto about 340-350 bhp so hopefully that will all go smoothly
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by juggers
Bit unfair to pin it on the mapper, seems the damage was already done before the mapper touched the car hence it lasting a week.
If the damage was already done & the mapper quoted that it wasnt right then why continue with the session ?? Instead they carried on and now the poor fella has a knackered engine does he not ? Thats the way I see it.

Granted in std form they arnt the best pistons but if they were concerned it was running lean then it was only a matter of time before it popped a ringland
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by david.mufcsti
im getting the engine rebuilt with wossener pistons and new conrods, it's going to need running in so the mapper is going to set the map to run low for a about 1,000 miles then drop the oil and put it back on the rolling road and get it upto about 340-350 bhp so hopefully that will all go smoothly
Goodluck with the build mate, hope your having the bores checked for damage and ovality ? maybe worth if not doing already splitting the block and fitting some new bearings & an oil pump & cooler
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 08:10 PM
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yeah the bores were checked and were fine. he's going to fit all what you said rob. it's a headache what's happened but hopefully be worth it in the end. all i wanted was a simple upgrade exhaust 1 cat took off panel filter and remap didn't expect for all this to happen. subaru should'nt make a high powered engine with **** engine components
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by david.mufcsti
yeah the bores were checked and were fine. he's going to fit all what you said rob. it's a headache what's happened but hopefully be worth it in the end. all i wanted was a simple upgrade exhaust 1 cat took off panel filter and remap didn't expect for all this to happen. subaru should'nt make a high powered engine with **** engine components
Nice one mate, I agree 100% with what you say about the std componants.

I cant say much more on the subject of the std engines unfortunatly as theres Spy's in the camp on here that would love to Complain about me yet again

I can however give advice on parts to fit to give maximum reliabilty, Built more than I can remember now
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 11:40 PM
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Nice one mate, I agree 100% with what you say about the std componants.

I cant say much more on the subject of the std engines unfortunatly as theres Spy's in the camp on here that would love to Complain about me yet again

I can however give advice on parts to fit to give maximum reliabilty, Built more than I can remember now
a spy you say has this person nothing better to do with their sad life
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 12:35 AM
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a spy you say has this person nothing better to do with their sad life
Nothing better to do with there time mate unfortunatly, I got into a heated debate when they rang work asking to speak to the boss about me and what had been said on here.

End of the day I was speaking as a loyal customer of 5 years and not in my general position as a daily job but apparently the freedom of speech act doesnt count on this by all accounts, One rule for them a different rule for everyone else.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rob84
If the damage was already done & the mapper quoted that it wasnt right then why continue with the session ?? Instead they carried on and now the poor fella has a knackered engine does he not ? Thats the way I see it.

Granted in std form they arnt the best pistons but if they were concerned it was running lean then it was only a matter of time before it popped a ringland
I see where your coming from, but I doubt it would of took a week with a poor map to blow the engine the damage was obviously already done.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by juggers
I see where your coming from, but I doubt it would of took a week with a poor map to blow the engine the damage was obviously already done.
you know what it's like though, you get the car mapped and you cant help but give it bootfull's everywere.

But with an allready known suspect std engine it's only gonna be a short period of time before it gives up completely, I wouldnt be too impressed and I bet you wouldnt be either.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 07:09 AM
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IM spying on here and phoning your boss to tell you off?

Subaru, whether you like it or not there has been failures that it seems you are unwilling to address and the truth hurts.

I saw a 2011 USDM saloon Sti with broken ringlands a few weeks ago.
It was unmodified with 9.000 km on the clock.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by fpan
IM spying on here and phoning your boss to tell you off?

Subaru, whether you like it or not there has been failures that it seems you are unwilling to address and the truth hurts.

I saw a 2011 USDM saloon Sti with broken ringlands a few weeks ago.
It was unmodified with 9.000 km on the clock.
They won't be bothered and thats one of the reasons why they are struggling in the U.K. Subaru have not shown one ounce of forward thinking on this subject.
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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mickp
They won't be bothered and thats one of the reasons why they are struggling in the U.K. Subaru have not shown one ounce of forward thinking on this subject.
I came within a signature of buying one, but just could not afford to take the risk. Had i felt the issue had been taken seriously by Subaru, theres no doubt in my mind at all I would have bought one.

I find it staggering that in the 21st century a respected car maker can churn out cars with dodgy tickers. Performance cars like an STi should be able to LIVE in the red line!
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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 02:17 PM
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I was looking for a new car in the last week. Visited my local dealer and looked at a new saloon. When i mentioned the engine issues he came out with the 'subaru say it's driver error, too much red lining the engine'... but the new one's have apparently been fixed so it's not a problem if you spend £32,000 on a shiny new car.....

Personally i called Iain Litchfield and got a nice 400bhp hawkeye from him instead. I wouldn't risk buying a new impreza until i know for sure either the problem is fixed or IM/Subaru will do everything they can to fix a fecked engine!
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Old Nov 15, 2011 | 07:59 AM
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Suppose on a positive note we dont have any 2011s pop yet so it's looking better
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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This should be forwarded to Evo magazine...

As someone just looking for a hatch, I was unaware of all these issues, and doubt I will buy one now
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
This should be forwarded to Evo magazine...

As someone just looking for a hatch, I was unaware of all these issues, and doubt I will buy one now
Go for one with a forged engine or a JDM which comes with the stronger 2.0l engine
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 07:05 PM
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Hen's teeth trying find a good UK one, never mind a JDM!

I'm at the bottom end of the budget too

But can't bring myself to go for a GTi DSG
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Whats your budget?
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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A bit less than this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3212403.htm



Too many cars atm, or i'd go higher...
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 09:29 PM
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I would be patient as you might grab a bargain over Christmas or in the new year.
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:thumbup:
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It may be the pic but the car in that link lokks like it has had some paint, pic 3 rear door.
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I wouldn't even consider a Euro/UK Hatch unless its had an engine rebuild - uprated pistons, oil pump and possibly head studs as a minimum, and a reputable remap. I wouldn't look at one thats had a "Subaru" rebuild (unless from a certain garage Carlisle way ), or one rebuilt using std pistons.

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Originally Posted by david.mufcsti
yeah the bores were checked and were fine. he's going to fit all what you said rob. it's a headache what's happened but hopefully be worth it in the end. all i wanted was a simple upgrade exhaust 1 cat took off panel filter and remap didn't expect for all this to happen. subaru should'nt make a high powered engine with **** engine components

just a quick update on my STI.....

the engine is built with forged conrods, wossener pistons, uprated oil pump, bearings, uprated headstuds.

im just waiting for the guy to drop the engine in and he's going to put it on the dyno in 'running in mode'. should have it back in a few days
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Any news mr. MUFCsti ??
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Old Jan 10, 2012 | 09:04 PM
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yes got some news. got the car back a week before christmas had to run it in 1,000 miles and check the oild and water every few days had to top up water twice didn't lose much and i didn't lose any oil.
when it was ran in a 1,000 miles it had to be put back on the dyno, i took it back to have an oil change and to be put back on the dyno but in the mean time i had a rattle on the exhaustwhich i asked him to have a look at it , turns out there's a baffle come lose which im not to best pleased about considering the exhaust is only a few months old but it's going back in thursday to get sorted and to be put back on the dyno so will let everyone know how i get on . i am expecting around 350 - 380 BHP
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Old Jan 15, 2012 | 05:34 PM
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ok guys more news. got the car back friday just gone . the baffle was weldled and he put it back on the dyno had it tuned upto 370 BHP but he had to turn it down to 355BHP because the fuel injectors couldnt get the fuel in quick enough so i need new fuel injectors which are on order so when there on it will go back on the dyno which im expecting around 400 + BHP. it's quick now but when the injectors are in should be **** of a shovel, might even take it to santa pod on the quater mile
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Standard injectors are good for 380-400 mate. Got ~400 bhp out of my standard injectors (08 STi) with standard fuel pressure. That was at ~95% IDC.

Would recommend upgrading your fuel pump when shooting for 400hp though.

Good luck.

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ok guys more news. got the car back friday just gone . the baffle was weldled and he put it back on the dyno had it tuned upto 370 BHP but he had to turn it down to 355BHP because the fuel injectors couldnt get the fuel in quick enough so i need new fuel injectors which are on order so when there on it will go back on the dyno which im expecting around 400 + BHP. it's quick now but when the injectors are in should be **** of a shovel, might even take it to santa pod on the quater mile
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