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26 March 2009, 12:55 AM
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David I am thinking when my next oil change is due I may just give this garage a try :-
YouTube - How To Change Your Oil
Who cares if the engine goes pop.
YouTube - How To Change Your Oil
Who cares if the engine goes pop.
26 March 2009, 01:16 AM
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I run a garage near chesterfield and iv always filled the oil filter and dry cranked,as said due to engine configuration its vital. Iv serviced many including my own with no problems.
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26 March 2009, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by APIDavid;8601652
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IF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS ELEMENTARY STUFF, FOR GODS SAKE DON'T MISLEAD OTHERS THAT GENUINELY WANT HELP.[/COLOR]
David API
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With all due respect, I would ask you to allow me to state my OPINION!!
Those who read these pages to Service their cherished cars are not children, they will read the information, digest it and make up their own mind.
They would be wise to listen to you as a very highly regarded Engine Re-Builder ...... they may also, however, wish to listen to an old experienced Engineer such as myself who has been servicing cars for 40 years?
My 1st hand experience is that I have not disconnected any sensor or removed any spark plug after an Oil change and my car is absolutely fine. The pressure light goes off withing a fraction of a second - no issue.
However, and this is maybe what you mean? If I had REBUILT my engine then I would dry crank .... most certainly! But a simple Oil Change? Nah.
The readers can decide what to do for themselves, maybe they wish to churn the engine over at cranking speed after pulling a sensor connector off - maybe they will decide that playing with connectors and churning the engine on the starter without firing is actually worse?
But, please, allow others to state what they think about the subject - yes?
26 March 2009, 10:39 AM
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Only 40 years?, a relative new comer. I've got 6 years on you. Ford trained, race car engineer, Competitor, world rally transmission specialist [ yes we won ] and engine business owner for over 27 years.
When you are telling someone to do something a bad way [ in the case of Subaru ] even if it is an opinion, I think it needs a counter argument.
My point always is That it takes no amount of extra time to do it an acknowledged safe way. It costs nothing. Why not do it that way?
The ' it doesn't matter, I've never done it and never had a problem ' argument is plainly wrong, as there are far too many cars breaking down soon after an oil change that has been done clumsily, or carelessly, shall we say.
Nuff said.
David
When you are telling someone to do something a bad way [ in the case of Subaru ] even if it is an opinion, I think it needs a counter argument.
My point always is That it takes no amount of extra time to do it an acknowledged safe way. It costs nothing. Why not do it that way?
The ' it doesn't matter, I've never done it and never had a problem ' argument is plainly wrong, as there are far too many cars breaking down soon after an oil change that has been done clumsily, or carelessly, shall we say.
Nuff said.
David
26 March 2009, 02:02 PM
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There you go again, "When you are telling someone to do something a bad way" .... YOU say it is a bad way - Subaru Main Dealers (and I've asked them!) do not do it your way, they do it my way .... I won't actually say what they said when I suggested that they disconnect the sensor, but there was a lot of laughter.
People can do what they wish after reading the conflicting opinions, I really don't care - but, and this is the point, I have seen many, many applications where connectors have failed when disturbed - my reasoning is, "If you don't need to touch a connector - DON'T!"
You think otherwise .... both opinions can be aired without one or the other being condemned Trolling.
Nuff said.
There you go again, "When you are telling someone to do something a bad way" .... YOU say it is a bad way - Subaru Main Dealers (and I've asked them!) do not do it your way, they do it my way .... I won't actually say what they said when I suggested that they disconnect the sensor, but there was a lot of laughter.
People can do what they wish after reading the conflicting opinions, I really don't care - but, and this is the point, I have seen many, many applications where connectors have failed when disturbed - my reasoning is, "If you don't need to touch a connector - DON'T!"
You think otherwise .... both opinions can be aired without one or the other being condemned Trolling.
Nuff said.
26 March 2009, 02:42 PM
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I'm with debbiesonic, Flat Eric and, of course, APIDavid, all the way on this.
Every Subaru SPECIALIST I've spoken to about this, advocate the method Flat Eric and Dave describe.
For the reasons David has sited, a big-end bearing can fail during the critical phase between air being purged by the oil pick-up and getting oil pressure, if the engine is actually firing away at that time. This usually happens because of other issues e.g. a dodgy big-end in the first place due to, say, detonation weakening it... The few seconds of huge (firing) engine-pressure on it whilst the pick-up hasn't purged all air, can be enough for it to fail. This is NOT some kind of urban legend - it ACTUALLY happens!
Without wishing to sound like I'm up blowing smoke up Dave's ----, what he doesn't know about the EJ engine and its <ahem> "features", really isn't worth knowing... Do you know how many EJ motors he takes apart in any given month?! 
So as Dave, Eric, et al have said - do it the 'lazy' way, and possibly pay a (very) big price - literally!...
So to reiterate: for a few seconds (or minutes, in the case of spark plug removal) of extra work yourself - or a few quid in labour costs at a specialist - then I know which oil change procedure I'd employ...
Disclaimer: The above is all IMHO, based on what I've read and heard from Subaru specialists... which is as good a reason as any, I suppose
Every Subaru SPECIALIST I've spoken to about this, advocate the method Flat Eric and Dave describe.
For the reasons David has sited, a big-end bearing can fail during the critical phase between air being purged by the oil pick-up and getting oil pressure, if the engine is actually firing away at that time. This usually happens because of other issues e.g. a dodgy big-end in the first place due to, say, detonation weakening it... The few seconds of huge (firing) engine-pressure on it whilst the pick-up hasn't purged all air, can be enough for it to fail. This is NOT some kind of urban legend - it ACTUALLY happens!
Without wishing to sound like I'm up blowing smoke up Dave's ----, what he doesn't know about the EJ engine and its <ahem> "features"
, really isn't worth knowing... Do you know how many EJ motors he takes apart in any given month?! So as Dave, Eric, et al have said - do it the 'lazy' way, and possibly pay a (very) big price - literally!...
So to reiterate: for a few seconds (or minutes, in the case of spark plug removal) of extra work yourself - or a few quid in labour costs at a specialist - then I know which oil change procedure I'd employ...
Disclaimer: The above is all IMHO, based on what I've read and heard from Subaru specialists... which is as good a reason as any, I suppose
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26 March 2009, 02:53 PM
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1'm gone guys. You all choose your preferred way.
APi 01926 614333 remember that number...........................
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26 March 2009, 03:08 PM
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1ST scoob engine failed after oil change at the steelers, time 1 week to fail. 2ND scoob dint trust steelers no more serviced by me engine failed after i seviced time 1 week. 1 week on both scoobs this is 5-7 days. I now change the oil by distcontecting crank sensor, done this for 2 1/2 yrs no probs after 5k in rebuilds to learn
3k steelers 2k scoobybits.
5k in rebuilds to learn 3k steelers 2k scoobybits.
26 March 2009, 03:16 PM
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1ST scoob engine failed after oil change at the steelers, time 1 week to fail. 2ND scoob dint trust steelers no more serviced by me engine failed after i seviced time 1 week. 1 week on both scoobs this is 5-7 days. I now change the oil by distcontecting crank sensor, done this for 2 1/2 yrs no probs after 5k in rebuilds to learn 3k steelers 2k scoobybits.
5k in rebuilds to learn 3k steelers 2k scoobybits.
26 March 2009, 03:17 PM
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1ST scoob engine failed after oil change at the steelers, time 1 week to fail. 2ND scoob dint trust steelers no more serviced by me engine failed after i seviced time 1 week. 1 week on both scoobs this is 5-7 days. I now change the oil by distcontecting crank sensor, done this for 2 1/2 yrs no probs after 5k in rebuilds to learn...
5k in rebuilds to learn...
I don't think so... (Scares the crap outta me!, TBH).
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26 March 2009, 05:38 PM
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coincidence 2 different cars 2 different services and 1 week to rebuild now thats coincidence.
26 March 2009, 06:36 PM
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You lot crack me up ...... really, you do 
I will go with the way the Subaru Main Dealers do it - if it was an issue at all it would have been splashed all over the place long before now. I'll mention the sensor disconnect again next time I'm in the Dealers .... it's always great for a chuckle!
Carry on ...............
I will go with the way the Subaru Main Dealers do it - if it was an issue at all it would have been splashed all over the place long before now. I'll mention the sensor disconnect again next time I'm in the Dealers .... it's always great for a chuckle!
Carry on ...............
26 March 2009, 06:48 PM
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OK, here it is, the absolute final word in the Oil Change Procedure debate ......
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...r-stories.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...r-stories.html
26 March 2009, 08:53 PM
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Those who read these pages to Service their cherished cars are not children, they will read the information, digest it and make up their own mind.
With all respect to the OP, someone posting on here asking for an illustrated guide to performing an oil change is probably new to the whole thing, and as such, no matter how intelligent, will tend to take advice pretty much at face value as they have no experience or perspective against which to weigh it up.
Your opinion, no matter how well-intentioned, is technically ignorant and more likely than not to result in someone or other breaking their engine as a result of following it. I'm wondering, are you prepared to compensate anyone who finds themselves in such a situation?
The key point is that pre-establishing oil pressure prior to firing doesn't do any harm, and thus, as a precaution, there's no reason not to do it. Unless you're trying to claim that the consequences for the starter motor or battery are worse than the possibility (faint or otherwise) of knackered main bearings?
The only Subaru main dealer I know of does this on all their oil changes btw.
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26 March 2009, 09:12 PM
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This argument has come round again eh! At the end of the day its each to their own.
I personally disconnect the crank sensor. why?...cos it takes only a few extra minutes.
Leaving your car over night does not empty the pick up tube... draining the sump does. Simple. This means more air for the pump to purge and longer until the bearings get their oil pressure. There are tonnes of threads on here about engine failure just after a oil change so maybe there thoery to the argument.
I personally disconnect the crank sensor. why?...cos it takes only a few extra minutes.
Leaving your car over night does not empty the pick up tube... draining the sump does. Simple. This means more air for the pump to purge and longer until the bearings get their oil pressure. There are tonnes of threads on here about engine failure just after a oil change so maybe there thoery to the argument.
26 March 2009, 10:21 PM
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This is a discussion forum. You did state your opinion, you got disagreed with.
You're right, they're not children, and they're (largely) not stupid. However, as the curse of sat-nav demonstrates, many perfectly intelligent people will follow dumb and patently bad instructions up to the point where they are about to drive off a cliff and have no way of reversing back.
With all respect to the OP, someone posting on here asking for an illustrated guide to performing an oil change is probably new to the whole thing, and as such, no matter how intelligent, will tend to take advice pretty much at face value as they have no experience or perspective against which to weigh it up.
Your opinion, no matter how well-intentioned, is technically ignorant and more likely than not to result in someone or other breaking their engine as a result of following it. I'm wondering, are you prepared to compensate anyone who finds themselves in such a situation?
The key point is that pre-establishing oil pressure prior to firing doesn't do any harm, and thus, as a precaution, there's no reason not to do it. Unless you're trying to claim that the consequences for the starter motor or battery are worse than the possibility (faint or otherwise) of knackered main bearings?
The only Subaru main dealer I know of does this on all their oil changes btw.
You're right, they're not children, and they're (largely) not stupid. However, as the curse of sat-nav demonstrates, many perfectly intelligent people will follow dumb and patently bad instructions up to the point where they are about to drive off a cliff and have no way of reversing back.
With all respect to the OP, someone posting on here asking for an illustrated guide to performing an oil change is probably new to the whole thing, and as such, no matter how intelligent, will tend to take advice pretty much at face value as they have no experience or perspective against which to weigh it up.
Your opinion, no matter how well-intentioned, is technically ignorant and more likely than not to result in someone or other breaking their engine as a result of following it. I'm wondering, are you prepared to compensate anyone who finds themselves in such a situation?
The key point is that pre-establishing oil pressure prior to firing doesn't do any harm, and thus, as a precaution, there's no reason not to do it. Unless you're trying to claim that the consequences for the starter motor or battery are worse than the possibility (faint or otherwise) of knackered main bearings?
The only Subaru main dealer I know of does this on all their oil changes btw.
26 March 2009, 11:09 PM
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David I am thinking when my next oil change is due I may just give this garage a try :-
YouTube - How To Change Your Oil
Who cares if the engine goes pop.
YouTube - How To Change Your Oil
Who cares if the engine goes pop.
i just popped aload of man oil watchin that
27 March 2009, 01:11 AM
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You lot crack me up ...... really, you do
I will go with the way the Subaru Main Dealers do it - if it was an issue at all it would have been splashed all over the place long before now. I'll mention the sensor disconnect again next time I'm in the Dealers .... it's always great for a chuckle!
Carry on ...............
I will go with the way the Subaru Main Dealers do it - if it was an issue at all it would have been splashed all over the place long before now. I'll mention the sensor disconnect again next time I'm in the Dealers .... it's always great for a chuckle!
Carry on ...............
Subaru dealers are God.
Tell me if they are all knowing why they were using $hity Shell Helix oil at one point & worse still Magna$hite? Cost perhaps? But that's ok they are "dealers".
Perhaps they laugh off the sensor disconnect because of a hidden agenda. Or should that be called a vested interest?
When I did motorcycle Enduro I drilled & wired my sump plug along with a few other vital components. I also used "thread lock" where appropriate. It's called the belt & braces method.
The guys in the paddock that laughed because I had to cut the wire before I could undo anything may have competed for months with never a vibrated component undoing & failing.
But does that make them right not to bother?
Or just lucky?
27 March 2009, 02:21 AM
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Heard it all now.
Subaru dealers are God.
Tell me if they are all knowing why they were using $hity Shell Helix oil at one point & worse still Magna$hite? Cost perhaps? But that's ok they are "dealers".
Perhaps they laugh off the sensor disconnect because of a hidden agenda. Or should that be called a vested interest?
When I did motorcycle Enduro I drilled & wired my sump plug along with a few other vital components. I also used "thread lock" where appropriate. It's called the belt & braces method.
The guys in the paddock that laughed because I had to cut the wire before I could undo anything may have competed for months with never a vibrated component undoing & failing.
But does that make them right not to bother?
Or just lucky?
Subaru dealers are God.
Tell me if they are all knowing why they were using $hity Shell Helix oil at one point & worse still Magna$hite? Cost perhaps? But that's ok they are "dealers".
Perhaps they laugh off the sensor disconnect because of a hidden agenda. Or should that be called a vested interest?
When I did motorcycle Enduro I drilled & wired my sump plug along with a few other vital components. I also used "thread lock" where appropriate. It's called the belt & braces method.
The guys in the paddock that laughed because I had to cut the wire before I could undo anything may have competed for months with never a vibrated component undoing & failing.
But does that make them right not to bother?
Or just lucky?
How ironic is that with someone like David O'Brien trying to prevent his company making money on a rebuild etc 
by offering good advice.Also, I would listen to any independant Subaru specialists over a dealer ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Theres a reason genuine subaru fans use specialists most the time, and it ain't just a money thing
