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08 February 2009, 09:35 AM
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As already mentioned it's about diversity !!! Any NHS serves a diverse community so it's important that their workforce reflects this. I work for the Fire Service and our applications are very similar. It also ensures that there are no barriers to entry for any area of the community. I hope her application is sucessful and that things go well.
Cheers,
Wilky.
Cheers,
Wilky.
Oh COME ON! Next thing you'll be telling us that the government wanting to issue all of us with ID cards really is to combat terrorism!
Who gives two hoots how "diverse" a community is - it should be the best person for the job plain and simple. As a white middle class male I feel discriminated against in my own country for this type of legislative nonsense.
How the hell do you think it would go down if I went to a hospital or phoned the police and demanded to speak to a white nurse or doctor!? I'm glad if there's a nurse or doctor to begin with. If people want to do a job let them; for god's sake in this day and age we shouldn't be rejecting people because they're the wrong race! After all, isn't that RACIST??
If you can't have it both ways, you shouldn't have it at all. End of.
08 February 2009, 10:49 AM
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You're missing the point mate. I absolutely agree, the right person for the job should always be the one who gets it. No matter what. But you need to accept that there can sometimes be barriers which stop people who could be the right person applying. These questions allow a responsible employer to ensure that their recruitment policy isn't excluding anyone and therefore to make sure they are getting the best person. Honestly I am not some 'politically correct' warrior, I just think everyone should have the same chances in life.
08 February 2009, 11:58 AM
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But you need to accept that there can sometimes be barriers which stop people who could be the right person applying. These questions allow a responsible employer to ensure that their recruitment policy isn't excluding anyone and therefore to make sure they are getting the best person.
If there are any true "barriers" then the person won't apply in the first place, so the politically correct bean counters won't have the slightest clue as to what race, colour or whatever then person who didn't apply was.
I wouldn't want to work for a company with such flawed ideals, but sadly i have no choice but to fund those that do, because the majority of them that promote such crap exist only through general taxation
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08 February 2009, 01:56 PM
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You're missing the point mate. I absolutely agree, the right person for the job should always be the one who gets it. No matter what. But you need to accept that there can sometimes be barriers which stop people who could be the right person applying. These questions allow a responsible employer to ensure that their recruitment policy isn't excluding anyone and therefore to make sure they are getting the best person. Honestly I am not some 'politically correct' warrior, I just think everyone should have the same chances in life.
You say everyone should get the same chance, but if for example, I am turned away from applying to the Police because I am white, that effectively means I DON'T have the same chance as someone who might be black or asian.
To me, that is racist, whatever spin you put on it.
Someone needs to take employers who do this to court.
I'd chip in for legal!
08 February 2009, 05:32 PM
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Some interesting points but you would never be turned away from applying for the Police because you are white !! I work for an emergency service and as far as I am concerned I want the best person for the job working next to me, not someone who has been chosen because they meet a certain criteria. But everyone needs to get the same chance to be that person !
The whole point about equality and diversity is that people all get the same opportunities. Unfortunately it's often mistaken for 'political correctness' by people who don't understand the subject ( and I am genuinely not aiming this at you guys ). Sure, I've heard about, and actually witnessed the exact examples you are making. I've watched people be treated differently than me because they 'ticked the box' and it made me mad. However that was a few years ago when a lot of organisations were terrified of offending any minority party when actually they just ended up offending the majority !!! I'd like to think that many employers ( especially local government ) are now a lot more refined and have got the balance right.
Only my opinion though so don't shoot me !!
The whole point about equality and diversity is that people all get the same opportunities. Unfortunately it's often mistaken for 'political correctness' by people who don't understand the subject ( and I am genuinely not aiming this at you guys ). Sure, I've heard about, and actually witnessed the exact examples you are making. I've watched people be treated differently than me because they 'ticked the box' and it made me mad. However that was a few years ago when a lot of organisations were terrified of offending any minority party when actually they just ended up offending the majority !!! I'd like to think that many employers ( especially local government ) are now a lot more refined and have got the balance right.
Only my opinion though so don't shoot me !!
08 February 2009, 06:41 PM
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Some interesting points but you would never be turned away from applying for the Police because you are white !! I work for an emergency service and as far as I am concerned I want the best person for the job working next to me, not someone who has been chosen because they meet a certain criteria. But everyone needs to get the same chance to be that person !
The whole point about equality and diversity is that people all get the same opportunities. Unfortunately it's often mistaken for 'political correctness' by people who don't understand the subject ( and I am genuinely not aiming this at you guys ). Sure, I've heard about, and actually witnessed the exact examples you are making. I've watched people be treated differently than me because they 'ticked the box' and it made me mad. However that was a few years ago when a lot of organisations were terrified of offending any minority party when actually they just ended up offending the majority !!! I'd like to think that many employers ( especially local government ) are now a lot more refined and have got the balance right.
Only my opinion though so don't shoot me !!
The whole point about equality and diversity is that people all get the same opportunities. Unfortunately it's often mistaken for 'political correctness' by people who don't understand the subject ( and I am genuinely not aiming this at you guys ). Sure, I've heard about, and actually witnessed the exact examples you are making. I've watched people be treated differently than me because they 'ticked the box' and it made me mad. However that was a few years ago when a lot of organisations were terrified of offending any minority party when actually they just ended up offending the majority !!! I'd like to think that many employers ( especially local government ) are now a lot more refined and have got the balance right.
Only my opinion though so don't shoot me !!
BBC NEWS | UK | Police call to boost ethnic quota
BBC NEWS | UK | Ethnic recruits get helping hand
I'm sure there was a case just last year where a Welsh recruit was turned away because he was white... just can't find the story yet...
09 February 2009, 08:02 AM
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Quit blaming the conservatives; they've been out of power for 20 odd years now. The only people who are responsible for the mess we're in now are those you are coveting!
09 February 2009, 08:15 AM
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So - If they're trying to get the balance right why did they suspend a Nurse for offereing a prayer to a patient.
Diversity my **** - it's about appeasing the minorities while not tackling the real problem of racists / bigots in charge of pretty much every institution / company in this country.
Diversity my **** - it's about appeasing the minorities while not tackling the real problem of racists / bigots in charge of pretty much every institution / company in this country.
09 February 2009, 05:56 PM
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So - If they're trying to get the balance right why did they suspend a Nurse for offereing a prayer to a patient.
Diversity my **** - it's about appeasing the minorities while not tackling the real problem of racists / bigots in charge of pretty much every institution / company in this country.
Diversity my **** - it's about appeasing the minorities while not tackling the real problem of racists / bigots in charge of pretty much every institution / company in this country.
09 February 2009, 05:58 PM
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10 February 2009, 09:05 AM
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My daughter is currently filling out an application form for employment in the N.H.S. she has duely filled the application form and on a seperate monitoring form she has to answere the following questions;
Age
Sex
Race
Religion
Sexuality
Disability.
Please tell me, why is her race, religion or sexuality a reasonable question to ask. I can understand the disability bit but, the rest WTF.
Age
Sex
Race
Religion
Sexuality
Disability.
Please tell me, why is her race, religion or sexuality a reasonable question to ask. I can understand the disability bit but, the rest WTF.
I find it funny when recruiting though, the form goes out of it's way not to identify gender (once they rememered to remove the Title field
), but most forms include a personal email address including the applicant's name, and an amazing number from women contain words like "to have children", my husband's business etc". Doesn't take a rocket scientist...In my experience most private sector businesses leave themselves open to challenges, as they ignore equal ops laws, and ask questions like would you be able to get the kids to school, and still be here for 9am", or, more blatantly, "Do you plan on having kids?".
10 February 2009, 11:26 AM
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