Strike over foreign workers
30 January 2009, 09:15 PM
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I'm fully behind all the protesters as i am one of many many experienced riggers in the local area who could of had a job on this site.I will be there Monday morning as we have to unite and unite as one
British jobs for British workers don't make me laugh.Brown you are a lying b@sterd
British jobs for British workers don't make me laugh.Brown you are a lying b@sterd
30 January 2009, 09:19 PM
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We're part of the EU though and as such it's fair game, the question is why these other workers are cheaper than their British counterparts, not the fact they're here.
30 January 2009, 09:20 PM
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British jobs for British workers - Another NL lie and one which will get quickly forgotten along with Boom and Bust economy and education, education, educashun, tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime...
Funny isn't it that an Italian firm can come in, win the contract, their workforce is then made up of Italian & Portuguese workers or so it appears. Not chance for any British workers to get employment on the contract!?! - surely that is against the EU directive in the same way as only allowing British workers - but then again this is Britain under NL and i am sure we Brits will get shat on or called racist if we dare to shout too loud by the hand wringing, leftie, pc fools who happily stand by and watch this country slide down the ****ter with the odd push and shove along the way.
Yet again NL allows more unrest and the far right to breed off of the fears and get stronger due to poorly thought out policies and allowing the EU to walk all over the UK and its people!
Few other European countries including Italy would allow foreigners to get the jobs first, even i signed up to the same sh*t that we are, they have more common sense, more pride, more ***** and will not put up with the same level of rubbish that we Brits do.
Rant over, it is only SN after all, what difference will it make.
I am sure we will see a lot more of this sort of problem with more unrest as a result and the likes of the far right benefiting with vote from normal, ordinary working people who just see their jobs, homes and livelihoods being taken away from them.
and yet another cost to the already strained benefits system and us tax payers to pay for skilled British workers to sit at home without work - how does this make good sense?
the company involved needs its backside kicking by the government, i will not be holding my breath to see if they side with the British workers/public on this...
SHAME!
Funny isn't it that an Italian firm can come in, win the contract, their workforce is then made up of Italian & Portuguese workers or so it appears. Not chance for any British workers to get employment on the contract!?! - surely that is against the EU directive in the same way as only allowing British workers - but then again this is Britain under NL and i am sure we Brits will get shat on or called racist if we dare to shout too loud by the hand wringing, leftie, pc fools who happily stand by and watch this country slide down the ****ter with the odd push and shove along the way.
Yet again NL allows more unrest and the far right to breed off of the fears and get stronger due to poorly thought out policies and allowing the EU to walk all over the UK and its people!
Few other European countries including Italy would allow foreigners to get the jobs first, even i signed up to the same sh*t that we are, they have more common sense, more pride, more ***** and will not put up with the same level of rubbish that we Brits do.
Rant over, it is only SN after all, what difference will it make.
I am sure we will see a lot more of this sort of problem with more unrest as a result and the likes of the far right benefiting with vote from normal, ordinary working people who just see their jobs, homes and livelihoods being taken away from them.
and yet another cost to the already strained benefits system and us tax payers to pay for skilled British workers to sit at home without work - how does this make good sense?
the company involved needs its backside kicking by the government, i will not be holding my breath to see if they side with the British workers/public on this...
SHAME!
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30 January 2009, 09:28 PM
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But.... My suits are Italian, my car is German, my watch is Swiss and I bank in Austria..... yet the fact that some Italians get a work contract here bothers me
I work all over the world, so I suppose I should have people protesting outside my gaff as well?
30 January 2009, 09:29 PM
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"...the question is why these other workers are cheaper than their British counterparts, ..."
they are not! Total spokesman said on TV yesterday that they are on the same rates as the Uk peeps ( the firm that tendered for the contract may be doing it cheaper than Uk firms....)
they are not! Total spokesman said on TV yesterday that they are on the same rates as the Uk peeps ( the firm that tendered for the contract may be doing it cheaper than Uk firms....)
30 January 2009, 10:24 PM
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British workers are about average.
I've had experience of German workers, French workers, Romanian workers and South African Workers (all shades) and to be honest they are much of a muchness. This was construction/petrochem/steelwork fitters, electricians etc
You get good workers and bad workers.
What has happened here is that Total have done nothing wrong in choosing a non-UK contractor. What I am surprised at is that the Italian firm have not employed UK labour.
What I am pleased about is that real jobs and profit producing matters are in the news instead of retail and service jobs. Engineers make money, the service industry move money about.
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I've had experience of German workers, French workers, Romanian workers and South African Workers (all shades) and to be honest they are much of a muchness. This was construction/petrochem/steelwork fitters, electricians etc
You get good workers and bad workers.
What has happened here is that Total have done nothing wrong in choosing a non-UK contractor. What I am surprised at is that the Italian firm have not employed UK labour.
What I am pleased about is that real jobs and profit producing matters are in the news instead of retail and service jobs. Engineers make money, the service industry move money about.
Steve
31 January 2009, 10:32 AM
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31 January 2009, 12:22 PM
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My eldest, a welder/plater, has had three days off for illness in his life, he does whatever job his foreman gives him, completes it and then goes back to ask what to do next. He is often told to hide until the next day.
Stop talking CRAP about British Workers, you obviously have little experience of them.
And as for the unions...........who has crippled the car industry now? themselves, by charging higher prices in the UK than anywhere else in Europe, in an effort to keep prices LOW for mainland Europe, followed by the Labour party with it's stupid anti-motoring taxes
Stop talking CRAP about British Workers, you obviously have little experience of them.
And as for the unions...........who has crippled the car industry now? themselves, by charging higher prices in the UK than anywhere else in Europe, in an effort to keep prices LOW for mainland Europe, followed by the Labour party with it's stupid anti-motoring taxes
So the last 15 spent installing and commissioning equipment in various plants here and abroad doesn't count as experience then
You can tell whether you're entering a UK factory that's still under union control as soon as you walk through the door
Admittedly this generally afflicts plants owned by bigger corporations or large multi-nationals, the staff of smaller companies seem usually to have more of a 'dedication to the cause'.
With respect to the car industry, I agree their current woes are largely of thier own making. But once upon a time, we had proper car manufacturers of our own, who actually designed and built cars (rather than assembled kits brought in from elsewhere), unfortunately thanks to a combination of excessive Labour government interference, union insanity and management greed it fell by the wayside
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Disagree. If we can't put forward a bid that is more competative than bringing in a load of Italians and Portugese to do a job on our own doorstep then they need to have a look at themselves.
Not sure why we should pay extra so some bloke from this country can scratch his bum and have a lot of tea breaks.
Don't get me wrong if it is a choice between Brits and others then we should definately give it to the Brits but they have to compete. Giving someone the job as a right or because it is legislated for simply breeds inefficiency.
EDIT - The last part of the comment is generally, i'm not up for all the quota of black disabled lesbians etc either, best person for the job should get the job.
What we need to do here is find out why a British company, with British staff couldn't outbid this lot who are putting the staff up in barges on the river FFS!
5t.
Not sure why we should pay extra so some bloke from this country can scratch his bum and have a lot of tea breaks.
Don't get me wrong if it is a choice between Brits and others then we should definately give it to the Brits but they have to compete. Giving someone the job as a right or because it is legislated for simply breeds inefficiency.
EDIT - The last part of the comment is generally, i'm not up for all the quota of black disabled lesbians etc either, best person for the job should get the job.
What we need to do here is find out why a British company, with British staff couldn't outbid this lot who are putting the staff up in barges on the river FFS!
5t.
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31 January 2009, 12:43 PM
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What makes me cross, and will continue to do so is the underhand way labour opened the doors to foreign workers. When the EC directive became law, only THREE countries actually followed it to the hilt: Sweden, who desperately needed migrant workers to do their menial jobs, Ireland, the same, and the UK............quite why WE needed them I STILL don't understand. Unless it was to do the jobs our lads were doing for 2/3 or 3/4 of the wage? And YES I have evidence that happened!
EVERY other EC country said to migrant workers, "Yes, come by all means, but before you do, maker sure you understand the following:
1. Don't come unless you can prove there is a job waiting for you.
2. Don't come if you do NOT have the skills to do the above jobs,
3. Don't come unless you can prove that there are no indigenous workers currently out of work who would do the job."
Now WHY didn't we do the same?
Labour then went on, first turning a blind eye to the amount of migrants arriving, then denying it, and finally lying about the numbers until they finally had to admit there were 700,000 more than they had said...............and remember, this is Labour, so if THEY admit to 700,000, the TRUE figure is proabably well over a milion.
Lying Labour............do YOU trust them?
EVERY other EC country said to migrant workers, "Yes, come by all means, but before you do, maker sure you understand the following:
1. Don't come unless you can prove there is a job waiting for you.
2. Don't come if you do NOT have the skills to do the above jobs,
3. Don't come unless you can prove that there are no indigenous workers currently out of work who would do the job."
Now WHY didn't we do the same?
Labour then went on, first turning a blind eye to the amount of migrants arriving, then denying it, and finally lying about the numbers until they finally had to admit there were 700,000 more than they had said...............and remember, this is Labour, so if THEY admit to 700,000, the TRUE figure is proabably well over a milion.
Lying Labour............do YOU trust them?
31 January 2009, 01:22 PM
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I am not really sure thats true. Protectionism can have massive benefits for third world and developing countries it is just bad for USA and Europe as we rely on exploiting those nations for profit.
31 January 2009, 01:55 PM
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We needed them becuase the UK was chronically short of various types of workers it had got to a point where UK workers had lost any slight inclination to do any work at all in some trades. I can still remember the shock at finding out how hard Eastern Europeans work at any job they are given.
31 January 2009, 02:17 PM
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What makes me cross, and will continue to do so is the underhand way labour opened the doors to foreign workers. When the EC directive became law, only THREE countries actually followed it to the hilt: Sweden, who desperately needed migrant workers to do their menial jobs, Ireland, the same, and the UK............quite why WE needed them I STILL don't understand. Unless it was to do the jobs our lads were doing for 2/3 or 3/4 of the wage? And YES I have evidence that happened!
EVERY other EC country said to migrant workers, "Yes, come by all means, but before you do, maker sure you understand the following:
1. Don't come unless you can prove there is a job waiting for you.
2. Don't come if you do NOT have the skills to do the above jobs,
3. Don't come unless you can prove that there are no indigenous workers currently out of work who would do the job."
Now WHY didn't we do the same?
Labour then went on, first turning a blind eye to the amount of migrants arriving, then denying it, and finally lying about the numbers until they finally had to admit there were 700,000 more than they had said...............and remember, this is Labour, so if THEY admit to 700,000, the TRUE figure is proabably well over a milion.
Lying Labour............do YOU trust them?
EVERY other EC country said to migrant workers, "Yes, come by all means, but before you do, maker sure you understand the following:
1. Don't come unless you can prove there is a job waiting for you.
2. Don't come if you do NOT have the skills to do the above jobs,
3. Don't come unless you can prove that there are no indigenous workers currently out of work who would do the job."
Now WHY didn't we do the same?
Labour then went on, first turning a blind eye to the amount of migrants arriving, then denying it, and finally lying about the numbers until they finally had to admit there were 700,000 more than they had said...............and remember, this is Labour, so if THEY admit to 700,000, the TRUE figure is proabably well over a milion.
Lying Labour............do YOU trust them?
also having 100,000's of migrant workers here in the UK earning uk wages and then sending home a good proportion of the wage is sensible for them, but hardly putting money back into the uk economy is it.
with regard to the comments about no UK workers avaliable to take/perform the skilled jobs then this is simply not the case here and now with TOTAL.
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31 January 2009, 02:24 PM
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We needed them becuase the UK was chronically short of various types of workers it had got to a point where UK workers had lost any slight inclination to do any work at all in some trades. I can still remember the shock at finding out how hard Eastern Europeans work at any job they are given.
Any decent govenment would looked at why a long, long time ago instead of letting the benefit culturtte run on and get worse - lot of people on the dole and not working who could work or be trained/apprenticehips to start to fill theses roles and that process should have started many, many years ago.
Train to Gain, launched £350million in funding for apprenticeships for ALL ages late last year this year, great idea, a bit late mind
Train to Gain - Train to Gain
31 January 2009, 03:15 PM
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We needed them becuase the UK was chronically short of various types of workers it had got to a point where UK workers had lost any slight inclination to do any work at all in some trades. I can still remember the shock at finding out how hard Eastern Europeans work at any job they are given.
31 January 2009, 03:27 PM
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1. Why trades were so neglected in the first place leading to the shortage of skilled tradesmen.
2. How the Uk's population has become so inept that people with English as a second language regulary perform better in all areas of work
31 January 2009, 04:23 PM
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I think the problem is that in the modern era the dubious mantra is to let markets decide for themselves.A free labour market sets a fair price for labour in the end. Had we done what the other countries did our inept state would have spent billions on a failed computer system and the first applicants would only be getting ready for thier jobs now. For the volume of staff needed it could not have worked. I would have to question
1. Why trades were so neglected in the first place leading to the shortage of skilled tradesmen.
2. How the Uk's population has become so inept that people with English as a second language regulary perform better in all areas of work
1. Why trades were so neglected in the first place leading to the shortage of skilled tradesmen.
2. How the Uk's population has become so inept that people with English as a second language regulary perform better in all areas of work
Her government did away with proper apprenticeships and training, replacing them with YOPS and YTS.
The result was a generation of, at best under, or badly trained, and at worst un-trained, workers.
Labour have compounded it by encouraging every kid, whether suitable or not, to go to university, so flooding the jobs market with workers with useless qualifications, and then providing training courses from age 16+ that rely almost entirely after the first year, on the YP getting a job..............with WHO???? And without the job, the training can't continue, so we have ANOTHER generation of kids with part qualifications in quite a few things, since they had to re-start quite a few times.
But hey..........who cares? At least they don't count on the unemployment figures
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31 January 2009, 05:21 PM
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Disagree. If we can't put forward a bid that is more competative than bringing in a load of Italians and Portugese to do a job on our own doorstep then they need to have a look at themselves.
Not sure why we should pay extra so some bloke from this country can scratch his bum and have a lot of tea breaks.
Don't get me wrong if it is a choice between Brits and others then we should definately give it to the Brits but they have to compete. Giving someone the job as a right or because it is legislated for simply breeds inefficiency.
EDIT - The last part of the comment is generally, i'm not up for all the quota of black disabled lesbians etc either, best person for the job should get the job.
What we need to do here is find out why a British company, with British staff couldn't outbid this lot who are putting the staff up in barges on the river FFS!
5t.
Not sure why we should pay extra so some bloke from this country can scratch his bum and have a lot of tea breaks.
Don't get me wrong if it is a choice between Brits and others then we should definately give it to the Brits but they have to compete. Giving someone the job as a right or because it is legislated for simply breeds inefficiency.
EDIT - The last part of the comment is generally, i'm not up for all the quota of black disabled lesbians etc either, best person for the job should get the job.
What we need to do here is find out why a British company, with British staff couldn't outbid this lot who are putting the staff up in barges on the river FFS!
5t.
Hats of to these guy they are trying to feed there familys and work for a living. They deseve a bit of respect and support especially in these hard economic times.
I have no problem working with Johnny Foreiner but but would like to do it on equal terms...
Too many tea breaks
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31 January 2009, 07:50 PM
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Totally agree with the strikers, they are down the road from me.
I also get annoyed at generalisations over UK workers. I have five years experience of working with approx 50 Poles, 2 Spanish, 3 Ukraines,and 6 Arabs and they are like UK workers, some good and some bad. Give me a top quality UK worker over anyone. The Poles come here because the money is better, the Arabs for a more "Western" way of life, more freedom.
I also get annoyed at generalisations over UK workers. I have five years experience of working with approx 50 Poles, 2 Spanish, 3 Ukraines,and 6 Arabs and they are like UK workers, some good and some bad. Give me a top quality UK worker over anyone. The Poles come here because the money is better, the Arabs for a more "Western" way of life, more freedom.