Military Hardware Question - Hamas Rockets
03 January 2009, 11:23 PM
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And also in this case, unusually for a topic on Scoobynet, I'm no "armchair expert" on the purely military perspective this thread was on.
I'm talking cold, hard facts from a military position. Not emotive stuff based on politicians, mine, nor anyone else's personal opinions.
03 January 2009, 11:26 PM
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i know...but your not the only one !!
David , its been mentioned, its just not worth in the current situation Israel is in to use such technology. In a pure war zone you are not so worried about civilians etc. . Even Iran does not have the technology to really worry Israel .
different from my days in the Falklands the kit was a lot more simple but worked.(but i still hold great respect for the Argentinian Pilots)
David , its been mentioned, its just not worth in the current situation Israel is in to use such technology. In a pure war zone you are not so worried about civilians etc. . Even Iran does not have the technology to really worry Israel .
different from my days in the Falklands the kit was a lot more simple but worked.(but i still hold great respect for the Argentinian Pilots)
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03 January 2009, 11:36 PM
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support the israeli defence forces in their fight against terrorists and send them a kosha pizza 
Pizza, Soda and Ice Cream, Hot & Cold Soup for our Israeli Soldiers -- and Burgers too!!!
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04 January 2009, 03:58 PM
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if you look at the world map and se palestine during 1946 it was split evenly but now with out a doubt if you looked at the new map its more 70 to israel and 30 to the palestinians.
i feel sorry for them the way these zionist decided to take there land and split how they want, and as for america i hope there economy falls further a) so we can get things cheaper from there and B) so they will have no more money to back this so called war against islam.
what a shame no luke?why did he get banned?
i feel sorry for them the way these zionist decided to take there land and split how they want, and as for america i hope there economy falls further a) so we can get things cheaper from there and B) so they will have no more money to back this so called war against islam.
what a shame no luke?why did he get banned?
04 January 2009, 04:17 PM
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if you look at the world map and se palestine during 1946 it was split evenly but now with out a doubt if you looked at the new map its more 70 to israel and 30 to the palestinians.
i feel sorry for them the way these zionist decided to take there land and split how they want, and as for america i hope there economy falls further a) so we can get things cheaper from there and B) so they will have no more money to back this so called war against islam.
what a shame no luke?why did he get banned?
i feel sorry for them the way these zionist decided to take there land and split how they want, and as for america i hope there economy falls further a) so we can get things cheaper from there and B) so they will have no more money to back this so called war against islam.
what a shame no luke?why did he get banned?
It seems every time there has been a war in the area, the Palestinians have lost out.
Maybe the interests of the Palestinians are not the same as their arab neighbours.
04 January 2009, 04:44 PM
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would you settle for some one to come in to your country and split it?????no!! some of the scoobynetters dont even like forigners in the country regardless of them paying tax.
the zionists have gone in there and split and conqured. the palestinians dont even get taxes from them so what you talking about.
the zionists have gone in there and split and conqured. the palestinians dont even get taxes from them so what you talking about.
04 January 2009, 06:52 PM
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This thread is about the military aspects of neutralising Hamas rockets. It is not about the historical political aspects of the conflict. dl
04 January 2009, 07:53 PM
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If you look back to 2006 the Israeli aim was to stop Hizb'allah doing much the same over the border, it didnt work, and when the Israelis went in on the ground and had to fight they took casualties and had to pull back.
Despite all the hardcore bombing and artillery and long distance warfare Israel didnt even dent Hizb'allah's capabilities and ultimately they had to pull out as public opinion doesnt like to see body bags (think Somalia in the 90's and the US reaction)
Now that the IDF have gone in on the ground the airpower advantage is gone, you cant chuck 1000lb jdams around in Gaza with your own forces on the ground.
Already the IDF are reporting they have lost 1 dead and 32 injured, Hamas are reporting they have captured 2 Israeli soldiers. The Israeli public will start to struggle if those figures rise and the situation will end in deadlock again.
Ultimately the Israelis and the rest of the world will have to engage Hamas on a political level, after all, we have done it with almost every other major terrorist organisation over the years.
Despite all the hardcore bombing and artillery and long distance warfare Israel didnt even dent Hizb'allah's capabilities and ultimately they had to pull out as public opinion doesnt like to see body bags (think Somalia in the 90's and the US reaction)
Now that the IDF have gone in on the ground the airpower advantage is gone, you cant chuck 1000lb jdams around in Gaza with your own forces on the ground.
Already the IDF are reporting they have lost 1 dead and 32 injured, Hamas are reporting they have captured 2 Israeli soldiers. The Israeli public will start to struggle if those figures rise and the situation will end in deadlock again.
Ultimately the Israelis and the rest of the world will have to engage Hamas on a political level, after all, we have done it with almost every other major terrorist organisation over the years.
04 January 2009, 08:09 PM
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if you look at the world map and se palestine during 1946 it was split evenly but now with out a doubt if you looked at the new map its more 70 to israel and 30 to the palestinians.
i feel sorry for them the way these zionist decided to take there land and split how they want, and as for america i hope there economy falls further a) so we can get things cheaper from there and B) so they will have no more money to back this so called war against islam.
what a shame no luke?why did he get banned?
i feel sorry for them the way these zionist decided to take there land and split how they want, and as for america i hope there economy falls further a) so we can get things cheaper from there and B) so they will have no more money to back this so called war against islam.
what a shame no luke?why did he get banned?
And why did it go from 50:50 to 70:30
Oh yeah, the arab world decided they wanted the whole lot, and the 'evil zionists' objected, forcibly
And why do the Israelis object to returning said desputed lands to Palestinian control? Is it possibly because every time they relax their grip, the idiot arabs take the opportunity to use their newly re-acquired high ground to lob explosive ordnance further into Israel
Back on topic; Yes the hardware does exist to intercept in-flight missiles:
Phalanx CIWS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But it is designed to track and shoot down weapons far larger than those currently being used by Hamas so would probably be largely ineffective.
Besides, I would imagine if it were used over land, especially in populated areas, it would cause far more carnage than the original missile
04 January 2009, 09:06 PM
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I always struggle on this topic. Israel gets such a bad press over things, but at the end of the day they are just defending their country. It does not matter how many rockets are coming over, Hamas are attacking them.
Hard to work out what a proportional response should be.
Hard to work out what a proportional response should be.
is what they are defending, Israel started killing Palestinians then moved them out stole their land and enlarged a country they stole in the first place.
04 January 2009, 09:37 PM
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In fairness there are other parties who also shoulder some of the responsibility for the current situation. For purely selfish reasons land not belonging to the powers in the west was ceded to displaced jews by them. The UN mandate that allowed all this was absolute lunacy.
04 January 2009, 09:56 PM
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And why did it go from 50:50 to 70:30
Oh yeah, the arab world decided they wanted the whole lot, and the 'evil zionists' objected, forcibly
And why do the Israelis object to returning said desputed lands to Palestinian control? Is it possibly because every time they relax their grip, the idiot arabs take the opportunity to use their newly re-acquired high ground to lob explosive ordnance further into Israel
Back on topic; Yes the hardware does exist to intercept in-flight missiles:
Phalanx CIWS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But it is designed to track and shoot down weapons far larger than those currently being used by Hamas so would probably be largely ineffective.
Besides, I would imagine if it were used over land, especially in populated areas, it would cause far more carnage than the original missile
Oh yeah, the arab world decided they wanted the whole lot, and the 'evil zionists' objected, forcibly
And why do the Israelis object to returning said desputed lands to Palestinian control? Is it possibly because every time they relax their grip, the idiot arabs take the opportunity to use their newly re-acquired high ground to lob explosive ordnance further into Israel
Back on topic; Yes the hardware does exist to intercept in-flight missiles:
Phalanx CIWS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But it is designed to track and shoot down weapons far larger than those currently being used by Hamas so would probably be largely ineffective.
Besides, I would imagine if it were used over land, especially in populated areas, it would cause far more carnage than the original missile
1st of all i dont appreciate you saying idiot arab,by the way for every action theres a reaction. you wouldnt go pick a fight for no reason.... but then again i dont really know you so i cant comment for you. me personally i wouldnt go out looking for a fight if some came to my house and bothered me then i'm obliged to harm them until he decides to get out of my house.simple
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And why did it go from 50:50 to 70:30
Oh yeah, the arab world decided they wanted the whole lot, and the 'evil zionists' objected, forcibly
And why do the Israelis object to returning said desputed lands to Palestinian control? Is it possibly because every time they relax their grip, the idiot arabs take the opportunity to use their newly re-acquired high ground to lob explosive ordnance further into Israel
Back on topic; Yes the hardware does exist to intercept in-flight missiles:
Phalanx CIWS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But it is designed to track and shoot down weapons far larger than those currently being used by Hamas so would probably be largely ineffective.
Besides, I would imagine if it were used over land, especially in populated areas, it would cause far more carnage than the original missile
Oh yeah, the arab world decided they wanted the whole lot, and the 'evil zionists' objected, forcibly
And why do the Israelis object to returning said desputed lands to Palestinian control? Is it possibly because every time they relax their grip, the idiot arabs take the opportunity to use their newly re-acquired high ground to lob explosive ordnance further into Israel
Back on topic; Yes the hardware does exist to intercept in-flight missiles:
Phalanx CIWS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But it is designed to track and shoot down weapons far larger than those currently being used by Hamas so would probably be largely ineffective.
Besides, I would imagine if it were used over land, especially in populated areas, it would cause far more carnage than the original missile
1st of all i dont appreciate you saying idiot arab,by the way for every action theres a reaction. you wouldnt go pick a fight for no reason.... but then again i dont really know you so i cant comment for you. me personally i wouldnt go out looking for a fight if some came to my house and bothered me then i'm obliged to harm them until they decide to get out of my house.simple
05 January 2009, 12:30 AM
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If that's the criterion behind Hamas' actions, why aren't they inciting similar unrest in Jordan?
05 January 2009, 12:40 AM
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1st of all i dont appreciate you saying idiot arab,by the way for every action theres a reaction. you wouldnt go pick a fight for no reason.... but then again i dont really know you so i cant comment for you. me personally i wouldnt go out looking for a fight if some came to my house and bothered me then i'm obliged to harm them until they decide to get out of my house.simple
As for the my use of the term 'idiot arab' I apologise for any upset caused, but you have to admit lthat continually launching almost homemade explosive ordnance into the heart of one of the most heavily armed, intensively trained nations on earth, is probably not the smartest of things to do
05 January 2009, 11:25 AM
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Because over the past 60 years Jordan's Palestinian population (or what's left of it) has been treated far more harshly than their counterparts within Israel's borders.
Funny how the Arab world chooses to turn a blind eye to that though isn't it
Does you really believe that if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, the Palestinians would be permitted to occupy that land as an independent state
Funny how the Arab world chooses to turn a blind eye to that though isn't it
Does you really believe that if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, the Palestinians would be permitted to occupy that land as an independent state
05 January 2009, 11:52 AM
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Because over the past 60 years Jordan's Palestinian population (or what's left of it) has been treated far more harshly than their counterparts within Israel's borders
Funny how the Arab world chooses to turn a blind eye to that though isn't it
Does you really believe that if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, the Palestinians would be permitted to occupy that land as an independent state
Funny how the Arab world chooses to turn a blind eye to that though isn't it
Does you really believe that if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, the Palestinians would be permitted to occupy that land as an independent state
I don't remember Jordan killing loads of Palestinians at any point and since people from Jordan are exactly the same people as those from Palestine I am not really sure what you are getting at. This is why there is a debate about Jordan being Palestine. As for an independant state without Israel it would not be nescesary the area could go back to being trans-jordan
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