Devils.Advocate

GO TALK TO THE TEACHER YOU WILL BE SURPRISED!!!

and btw no one even mention the racist word until you did

lightning101

OllyK

Seems you've developed in to a nice little NuLab clone. You can't have kids fail any more, you can't tell them off if they under achieve, just pat them on the head and tell them they'll be fine, there's always benefits to fall back on if you can't be bothered to put the effort in.

A bit of failure will do the kid good, he'll learn that failure isn't nice and if he's bright he can avoid the feeling by working hard. Seems the teacher has it spot on to me.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

Actually I was on an edit to save the guys feelings but I stand by all the points raised, even if my own grammar and spelling were a little off

WRX_Dazza

JM, you really need to stop doing your boys homework for him!!!!


- hope he's ok !!!

David Lock

If he was Chinese he'd probably have an MBA by now

I support the teacher. Surely you can deal with a few stresses at home?

Kids at that age are sponges for knowledge and I think school hours should be longer. But these extra hours to include more sport/activities.

Go and have a chat if you are concerned. dl

j4ckos mate

she is going in today, to have a word,

what i didnt mention last night, was that this teacher was the same way, with our daughter,
knocked her all the time no praise standard of work became abysmal, she went up to the next year, she is in top set for everything now.




j4cko will tell you what sam is like, he is everthing a little lad should be,
however, when hes crying in his bedroom, because hes scared of his teacher, somethings wrong,

to think that we really struggled and appealed to get them in this school,
looking back they would have been better going to my old school in wythenshawe,
it was rough round the edges but i never went in school worried.

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

Good old fashioned teaching, teacher has a reaction out of the child, the child now knows how not to get the same reaction, therefore the child has/will improve.

Crikey, when I was at primary school the teacher used to throw the board dusters at us

j4ckos mate

yup i had that, mate hes dead good at all his lessons , doesnt muck about,
cariing, likes rough and tumble, comes home muddy, and without his coat, all the things that a lad of his age does,
i dont want anyone to go easy on him as lifes hard.

but knowing how she was with my daughter and what a waste of a year it was, id take him out of there before id let him waste a year of his education.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

Just a thought, have you considered that your Daughter is in top set now because of this teacher and not despite of this teacher?

You obviously have good kids, a little failure makes success taste that much sweeter.

David Lock

Yep I remember that - but usually because we wet the chalk

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jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

fair play, but your daughter is now the top banana, so she has learnt something

In many years to come, maybe your daughter will look back and think yes, that person has pushed me and helped me become the person I am today (along with you and jackos mates wife )

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

J4ckos mate, you haven't said what you think of the actual standard of work that your son has produced. Never mind the actual amount of time it took - what was the end result actually like in terms of quality? Does it actually reflect what someone his age and ability should be able to achieve?

I had a couple of very bad teachers at school, but thankfully they 'only' taught art and history, and I was much more into maths and science anyway so it didn't matter. It's certainly true that my grades dropped sharply as soon as I was in their classes.

It sounds as though there's a lot more going on than just one piece of work, though. Just because a teacher gives a child low marks for a piece of work isn't a reason for the child to be afraid. Frustrated and resentful, perhaps, but not actually frightened.

j4ckos mate

he had to do his homework for a fourth time,
she didnt mark it, just put big lines through it, with no explanation of why its wrong, or if its right.
it would have been more helpful if she'd point him in the right direction.


his other work is in excess of his mates, his reading is 3 levels higher than his mates, i have been sat with him doing his times tables even though they are not doing them at the moment. the only wrong thing he has done recently is bring the wrong reading book home last night
this is because he is mithered.


she has spoken to the headmaster,
all the teachers are stressed because offsted is in this week.
so we will see what she has said to him tonight,
so if he has to do it a fifth time, it will be after karate club, which finishes at 8pm, so i expect he will be tired in school tomorrow

Tidgy

soddin norah, homework at 5 and 7

isn't that the time kids (especialy young lads, although not only) are suposed to be going out into the back garden getting covered in mud, and then graduating onto falling out of tree's etc?

can't believe they give kids that age homework

Leslie

She may have a good reason for marking his work like that. It may be that she is trying to get him to do better - hard to say when you are not there personally at school to actually see how it is all going.

You might do better to go and see the teacher and ask her to her face, without your lad being present, what it is all about without presenting an "anti" attitude towards her. You can quite truthfully say you would like to speak to her as a concerned parent. If her own attitude is "wanting" then you could maybe sort it out on a friendly basis.

Les

j4ckos mate

my wifes been in,

will find out more tonight, we were shocked at seeing a bright happy boy
not wanting to go to school, and there are no encouraging remarks, just big red lines, he was absolutley scared stiff this morning, 7 year olds dont need sustained pressure.

we just felt he would learn a lot quicker if he wasnt scared of getting it wrong.
j4cko will tell you how outgoing he is,and loving, to see ther look of fear as hes getting his coat on this morning was a bloddy shame

Jonnys3

I agree!! My 8yr old daughter comes home with more homework than I had for my GCSEs and she stresses over it big time - she's a bright spark at that! That's just not right. Whatever happened to letting children enjoy their childhood?

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

If he keeps getting it wrong have you not considered sitting down and helping him with it and making sure he gets it right? you know doing a bit of education yourself instead of leaving iot up to the teacher to say why things are wrong?

I know my mum spent many a night helping me with my maths homework and explaining what i needed to do.

Just a thought.

5t.

Torquemada

Fair points about the teacher and making sure things are being done right. I can't speculate on what's gone on though and how bright the kids in question actually are.

On the homework front though, I'm not getting this idea that they have too much home-work. Don't they finish at a stupidly early time anyway, don't have to go to school on Saturdays and generally have hours at school that I would compare with holiday camp?

I never had a bunch of nicey-nicey teachers at school who constantly praised all the students, when they might have done some work the way they were supposed to do it anyway.

Maybe the teacher is a bit of a knobber, a quiet chat should be all that is needed to assess that. Also, parents should be explaining to their kids that not everyone is going to be as doting on them as mummy and daddy, so maybe they should toughen up a bit or come to an understanding that the teacher just wants them to learn.

All the above is just based on personal experience and opinion, maybe there is more to your situation that we don't know about

Hope the wee-un gets the best education and experience he can out of things at the end anyway

Jonnys3

I kid you not , the amount of homework my daughter comes back from school with is ridiculous for an eight year old . They're just children at that age, a lot of learning at that age occurs during play, it doesn't have to be strictly academic.

Torquemada

That's what I mean, aren't there plenty of hours during the day for play or homework at state-schools? Start at 0900hrs finish at what, 1530hrs latest? I had time for homework and play at that age but I don't know what people now call alot nowadays?

I don't have kids so you guys will have to educate me on how much they now have, playtime and home-work wise.
I had maths and english homework every night at age 8.

Luan Pra bang

No one can really judge at this point but there are some truely terrible teachers out there and as much as there are more bad parents than bad teachers, I had some shocking excuses for educators as a child. Some of my teachers were plain vindictive, I can still remember a music teacher who would be sent to prison now for the things he did to kids when I was at school.

Spoon

[keeping it real] Where I agree children don't need undue pressure preventing them from wanting to attend school I can't helping judging your son's ability (rightly or wrongly) by your standards, j4ackos mate, which are shocking.

I can't be the only one to struggle to decipher the majority of your posts surely?[/keeping it real]

Norman D. Landing

Isn't the point here (and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it already) that when a child of that age puts in the effort, as this lad has done by all accounts, that they are proud of what they've done and consider it to be something to show off.

When it's marked, whether it's right or wrong, putting lines through it is akin to actually defacing it in the lads eyes. No wonder he's upset. I don't think the issue here is about wrapping the kid in cotton wool, it's about not upsetting him for no reason.

A cross to mark that it's the wrong answer and a comment in the margin is enough. Dont ruin what in his mind he's 'created FFS.

I have two 5 year old girls who would be similarly devastated.

j4ckos mate

when you have kids you will see that you have to help them with their homework, we sit and read with him, and sit right next to him whilst he does it . do you think hes left to his own devices>?

j4ckos mate

Spoon,
for your info i left school with eight 'O' levels you sarcastic ******,




if you are infering i have a less superior intellect than you, simply because , my grammar and/or punctuation are not as you would like, i think you are out of order.

i accept i rush quite alot of my emails, this is because several of my posts are done at work, and although i never normally get time to take my dinner, they are usually done whilst im holding on the phone.

sometimes i read them myself and your correct, they are badly worded, but its only a forum you ****, not a Greek oratory.

onto my son,



His teacher bollocked him in front of his friends for the fact tthat he didnt understand his assignment
tonight hes done 120 sums all of which are correct, gone to karate, and as suspected he has to do it again for a fifth time.
i wrote in his homework book to his teacher what does he have to do, and how does he do it,
she hasnt put any remarks, at all and after that he has to do it all again.

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

you didn't say that so i was just checking seems strange that he has homework without instruction that's all. I would hope an adult would be able to understand what is required but at the moment it sounds simply like he has "homework"

The maths should be fine if you have sat with him after all maths is right otr wrong. Where i could see issues are more subjective things like english if he has to make sentences or write things. For that the teacher should be giving clear instruction so you can help him get it right. Deffo worth a shout on that one.

5t.

Boro

iTrader: (1)

Won't get flamed from me. Wanting to punch the teacher right in the **** is as childish a comment ive managed read on SN in the last 5mins.

David Lock

Quite agree. I think the kid should be doing this - after all he is doing Karate