rickya

iTrader: (18)

What about a Renault Megane F1 ??

The Chief

Its a Renault

(dives for cover)

The Chief

The point i'm getting at is maybe the CTR isn't as gutless as most people think, i had one give me a really good run once in my Scoob, shocked you betcha i was.

TBH if i could get a 350z for 6k i'd be test driving one tonight

276bhp and rear wheel drive - yes please

rickya

iTrader: (18)

lollol

farmerwrx

the low weight of the car helps reduce the lack of torque IMO
from evo mag
ctr 1204kg
clio 255 1400 kg
350 z 1525 kg

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

Big fan of the DC5 over here!

TX.

51st state

carl, speak to big AL, he has 2 impreza's 1 with 300bhp and the WOMD with over 450bhp, both are broke
so he got an E36 M3
have you seen what they can be bought for now!!!!! and they are in old tax bracket, rwd and quick by any standards
i'll pm his number to you
he is amazed that a 110000mile by the car, no issues and round aintree trackday all it suffered was brake fade!!!!,next day he used to go to work without going near it with any spanners, both subaru's are now under serious threat of being sold!!!

rickya

iTrader: (18)

Just watch out for the double vanos or go for the non evo single vanos

scooby222

dc5 all the way,i borrow the other halfs at every chance,always looks and feels special- like when i first got a scoob in 2000!!

djmisio85

This may not interest you all because you all live in the UK, but here in Japan, the DC5 is a posers car. The only ones I have ever seen are fast and furious style ones with big carbon spoilers.....

Driving wise, its not rated well at all, hardly anyone uses them in competition.... The DC2 on the other hand, most hardcore drivers swear by them..... And they still perform very well

Also the UK civic type R hatch..... hmmm, the new one is not as good as the old one, (they dont even sell the new one in Japan)

But they do sell the Civic type R Saloon, and that is a monster, getting better times than imprezas, evos, and even the r34 gtr, on the Tsukuba circuit

rickya

iTrader: (18)

Really???

logiclee

Not sure of the DC numbers but my work mate had the old shape (2004) and currently has the new shape (2007)
I found both pretty gutless if you were driving normally, meaningfull progress means stirring the box and getting the revs up which can be fun for a while but not my cup of tea.
The 50-70 times are made to look better by the very low gearing and not engine torque. That's OK for the stats but isn't much fun after an hour on the motorway.

It's a great car for the right person but anyone expecting mid range grunt will be dissapointed.

Cheers
Lee

rossyboy

iTrader: (8)

One thing I find strange about our DC5 is that you can drive it around town at 25 mph in 6TH GEAR and still have a reasonable turn of speed!

Changing from 1st to 6th before 25 mph is entertaining

skinters

It's all in the gearing... Civic has low gearing to make up for lack of torque. Downside is at 70mph it's revving away and you can do 25mph in 6th as it's more like a 4th gear on longer geared cars.

Any car that does more than 3k rpm at 70 is, in my mind, low geared. If it's quiet and ecomonical at that then fine.

Not saying it's good or bad - horses for courses.

Breadvan Civic type R: 20.5 mph per 1000rpm in 5th

My old saab: 30mph / 1000 in 5th. Still only doing 3k rpm at 90mph.
Even my 4th gear is taller than the Civic's 5th. And even as stock, would be faster than the Civic in the same gear ratio.

But if we start comparing cars using gear ratios we'd be here forever - point that "in gear" comparisons are a bit of a waste of time.....

djmisio85

This is a good video, involving many of the discussed cars

YouTube - new civic type r tsukuba battle

EDIT: Also found the video where the civic saloon beats the "time" of the gtr r34, evo 5 rs (which is faster than the gtr) ....... But it wasnt at tsukuba, it was at suzuka, and also its a video from the "Best Motoring Series" about the ~"return of the type R", so I think its only available on download

jonc

Who says a well setup Civic can put its power down effectively?!

A Modest Honda Civic Hatchback

AlanPPP

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Driven a CTR and thought it was nothing special! Nice inside etc and driving position was great..lovely gear shift action.

BUT i found it pretty slow TBH and that was before my scoob was modded.Hit the so called VTEC zone and PMSL...*** all happend! it just got a bit noisyer.

Now an S2000 is a diff story that felt like it was flying! Mind you you are sitting on the floor.

Terminator X

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We've got a Spec C & a DC5; I think both are great cars in their own way. The DC5 will never be as quick as the Scoob in a straight line so just get over it! On a normal give & take drive though I doubt that the Scoob could pull away too much as the Honda handles superbly. IMHO the DC5 is a "special" car - there's not many of them around, they look great, handle great, sound great + it's a fast car compared to 99% of cars on the road.

Whilst the OP talks about the CTR, I'd give that a miss & get a DC5 / DC2.

As for the S2000, haircut anyone

TX.

ScoobyWon't

I took a (57-plate) CTR out for a test drive earlier this year. I loved it! Esoecially when the high rev band.

Take one outr and see what you think, that's probably the best way to see what it can really do

P1Fanatic

Why do the stats state 50-70mph in top then? That to me means your in top gear doing 50mph and put your foot down.

Simon

skinters

Correct.

So the same car & engine with a shorter top gear will accelerate faster.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ah the good old VTEC debate. Marmite cars they most certainly are.

All this justification via figures and the likes is all very well, but if you drive one and like it then, as Termintor X says above, what's the problem? I had a DC2 ITR and I swear that once moving not much could keep up if there were some corners involved. Not the fastest in a straight line, but so what?

stara

50-70 in top is a meaningless stat when it comes to an idication of a cars performance, what it does indicate is how 'user-friendly' the car is to drive (i wonder what the 50-70 times in top for a F1 ferrari would be). some turbo cars will be sitting off boost at 50 so how can you compare, if the stat was 50-70 in the most efficient gear then the figures would be completely different.

and may i suggest that the driving is the problem, not the car. on windy roads a scoob should easily outshine a ctr, or any other fwd car with comparable power. a 4wd car like the s3, evo or the wrx will provide soooooo much more grip under acceleration than any fwd. if you are still getting problems then have a look at your tyre choice, or there may be other handling issues. another thing to consider is a chasing car will always be easier to drive hard as he can see what the car in front is doing, where it's braking etc...although this is all hypothetical as any form of 'racing' on public roads is dangerous and illegal and can lead to imprisonment.

in summary - cars with similar power to weight ratios perform similarly when grip is not the main requirement (straight lines, already moving)...
when grip is needed, then 4wd cars obviously will grip more during acceleration than fwd cars, and will have an advantage....nothing surprising really.

skinters

And even then (to muddy the water), for 4WD to be any faster than FWD you need to regularily be dropping below 50mph. In the 50-100mph bracket, an equivalently powered front wheel drive will be quicker due to less drag and no wheel spin issues. You can put down 400bhp with front drive from 50mph up with LSD.
Although 4WD will result in a lot less sphincter moments ....

P1Fanatic

50-70 isnt that meaningless. Most people cruise on motorways at or around 70mph in top gear. If they hit congestion they may well drop down to 50ish but then wish to accelerate back up to 70 and not drop a cog.

The turbo debate is the same for the Honda's VTEC zone so it would also benefit from dropping a gear or two to get optimum acceleration.

Simon

Cyberevo

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DC5 is not that bad, just the LSD is a little bit agressive and can tug a bit, the chassis is quite nice, a little bit snappy on the limit.

The DC2, one of the best cars ever made, getting on a bit now that is one of the reasons I sold mine at the weekend, even though it was a nice example, it was 10 years old and suspension and bushes were showing sigs of wear, just didn't feel as tight.

So, what to replace it with, an FD2 of course, can't wait, this car is meant to be a fantastic drive.

And who gives a toss how quick it is in between gears or off the line? I had a 400 BHP EVO9GT and sold it for the DC2, which was more fun? go figure

Really looking forward to getting my bum back into a 'real' type R again.