Why is it important? It's a social emotion, reaslising you have done wrong and may have affected the herd means you're less likely to act in that way again, thus strengthening the herd.

No, I'm not superstious in any way, but there's a damn good H&S reason not to walk under ladders. a) you may knock the person off and b) something dropped from above would hit you.

Yup.

Yup.

They do, they choose to not label it as such, which is even more ludicrous.

What benefit does being superstitious bring me?

How can science punish you? The same could be said about god, but for different reasons.

 

Regardless of their religious leanings, I'd say 100% of them have mental health issues.

 

Wrong! There a glass jar in the Paris science museum that's been there for decades and contains Hydrogen and Oxygen in stoikiometric proportions and it's still gas in there not water. It requires something to set the chemical reaction going. If you ignite it, it will burn, but then so will a human being.

So god isn't omnipotent then?

 

well, there are many innocent people being harmed on this earth, some could see it as punishment.... There are many examples of punishment all over the world, you yourself question "how can science punish you", so therefore you think it cant.. I too believe science cant punish people, however God can.....

You all seem to think that the earth revolves around some kind of scientific logic, with no possibility that God is actually controlling things... why then, if scientific logic cant result in punishment, does punishment exist on this earth?

 

Oh good grief. If the planets weren't in the orbits they were, they would crash in to the sun or fly in to space. They orbit because their centrifugal force is balanced by the gravitational pull of the sun. All the stuff that isn't so balance long since either burned up or went off in to outer space.

 

We have no "role" on Earth, yes, on a macro scale our lives are pointless. On micro scale, they are not.

 

We have no role on a macro scale, on a micro scale our role is to survive to pass on our genes, that's it.

 

And in the grand scheme of things, if this planet vapourised tomorrow, it wouldn't make 1 jot of difference to anything not on this planet.

 

If by omnipotent, you mean "all powerful", then I still think he is. Just because someone has power, doesnt mean they have to use it all do they?

My sti kicks out just under 300bhp, yet I dont use all 300bhp whenever I drive it....

 

Science is an method for investigating the observed, it can't harm you. No, god can't either, please show me the evidence.

What punishment are you talking about? Most of it is humans on humans or are you trying to attribute natural disaters as punishment which have occured throughout history and long before man got here, there certainly aren't a retalliation as result of any action of man, individually or on mass.

 

Lol, thats a bit "vague". What then made these planets all meet up, and decide to dance around each other in perfect orbits (as opposed to crashing)

have you ever seen such an event occur on its own on earth? No, so you cant prove it through science...

Have you ever seen a big bang to base your theory on? no, so you cant prove that either...

 

If you have free will, then god cannot be omnipotent, he may "choose" not to interfere (although if you believe the OT he did interfere plenty) but that he has the ability to, means you do not have free will, he knows every step you will take throughout your life before you take it if he is omnicient, as a result you life is pre-ordained and you have no free will at all. You can't have both.

 

Centripedal force and gravity, that's all it takes. At one time there were thousands more object rotating around the sun, if they weren't in a balanced orbit, they were either sucked in to the sun or flew off in to outer space.

Yup - every sattelite orbiting the earth.

You ever seen god? Nope, thought not. So what's your point?

 

you see, the thing is, if God created us to all be w*nkers, and be a nuisance to everyone around us, I dont think he would have created us in the first place.

Most of us know right from wrong on this earth.... I never said God has our lives all pre-planned for us did I? God may have the power, to know what will will do in our futures, but because God is "omnipotent", he can choose himself whether to think about that "information" or not...... I can choose to worry about my bottom end bearings going bye bye, or I can choose not to....
Altho im not omnipotent, so some things, I have no choice but to think about.

God can choose what he thinks about, and what he see's in his mind, because he is omnipotent......

 

 

You claimed he was omnipotent. That means "All Powerful". A sub ability of that is omniscience, which is infinite knowledge, the knowledge of everything that has ever been, is and ever will be. As such, your life is pre-determined, whether he chooses to use that ability or not, for it to work, your pathway must be preordained.

If he choses to self limit then he is no longer omnipotent as he no longer has absolute knowledge. You really aren't getting this are you?

 

Well, whilst I'm no physicist, I'd hazard a guess that the Moon and one or two of the planets might be slightly put out.

 

Maybe, but would they care?

 

have you ever seen an orbiting system formed on earth? not one that has existed since before you were born? no, so you dont know how it was formed....

I have seen God, through what he does for me everyday....I see God in my friends, I see God in nature, I see God when unexplicable things happen to me, like not dying in a car crash....

Besides, the very beginning of this thread, was "there probably isnt a God", but this cannot be proved, so all you who continue to back up an unprovable statement are already on the back foot.

This thread wasnt started by saying "There is a God", so in effect, we have nothing to prove. You who dont believe in God have to prove that, which as yet you havnt done.

Ok im off to bed, nice chatting with you guys

 

The Butterfly Effect may cause catastrophic events to occur to some hitherto undiscovered sentient entities in another dimension and, assuming they had the capacity and the need, they'd care.

 

So, the evolution of rocks then......

I'm seeing balanced answers from the non-god side and bizarre idea's and beliefs from the religious ones (actually quite frightening at some points), Les seems to have a bit more of a balanced belief system that doesn't completely discount scientific theories/logic etc.
Others are leaning towards the extremism camp and this type of crazyness God Hates America

Gay's are disabled and mentally deficient then?!?!? wtf, there are several species of animal that also bang each other up the **** as well, they're all mental too?
I'm not into the bum-love but each to their own and all that. I have some very good friends who are homosexual and I don't see them as being nuts or disabled!!

By the looks of things it takes a kind of twisted and somewhat ignorant person to believe in god/religion in the way that has been expressed here.
Still, each to their own (as I said before) and I wouldn't hate anyone for their beliefs but some of the 'justifications' for religion/god and the associated beliefs are just brain-haemorrhage-tastic

 

I must say, I struggled with the gay=mentally ill. I have a few gay friends, and I wouldn't change them for the world. They are well balanced, normal people, and dear friends.

What I would ask, is if there is a god, and (he) is all powerful, made us all etc, then he also made gay people that way, so how can it be wrong/mental? Did he **** up somewhere? (sorry)

 

I think someone needs to look up the definition of a disability, or mental illness.... You can be completely sane, but if you are an amputee, you are disabled. You can have a perfectly normal body, but one small part of your brain is a little different to others, you like the same sex and its a mental illness.

I know a person with the body of a girl, and the mind of a man? Sadly that is also a mental illness, doesnt make them what most people would perceive as a handicapped person. Thousands if not millions of americans (for example) have ADD, they still look and act normal most of the time, especially, if it is a mild form, but it is still a small defect/ disability
Also are you saying that animals cant be disabled?

Like I said, I have nothing to prove to you guys and gals, because this thread is about "there not being a God" Prove to me that there is no God... and you win

 

Exactly, Lisa. Although I'm sure the answer will be 'it's all part of Gods plan' or something just as ludicrous

 

There are much younger star systems out there where just this sort of thing is happening. Also when a start dies and explodes, often new stars and planets re-condense out of the explosion and form a new system. This really is basic astronomy.

What does he look like? It strikes me you're finding patterns and just attributing god to it.

It has "probably" in it, it isn't intended to be proved. As we've already covered, you're claiming god exists, you have to show the evidence and you can't. After 10,000 years of man kind, still not a shred of evidence to support that claim. On that basis it's more than fair to say that in all probability there is no god.

The claim was around long before this thread. The negative "god doesn't exist", is merely a response to the pre-existing claim that he does. If somebody "says flublewibblesmathunks don't exist". Most people are going to either say "what's one of those", or "so what?". If asked what one is, the answer is you don't know as none exist. Once something's existence is claimed and it's given at least one attribute, people can make an assessment as to whether they agree or not. Half the battle is getting agreement on what god is. It tends to end up boiling to down to a deistic god which "sets the universe in action and then plays no further part". In this god is defined away to almost nothing. Gods that make bigger claims such as the abrahamic god can be shown to logically inconsistent, you don't need to go beyond Genesis to see that in action. In which case you have people who believe in the christian god who are either ignorant of their own scripture or who are happy to hold something as true that is logically inconsistent and that's bodering on a mental health issue itself.

I'd suggest you read some science books as it's more than apparent that your knowledge of the subject matter is woeful, but it would probably benefit you most to read the bible first so you're actually aware of the claims it makes.

 

All immovably religious people think homosexuality is a "disease", that's why i asked the question when i did. There is simply no point discussing the existence or otherwise of a God with somebody so lacking in a basic understanding of the species he is part of. Not to mention a fundamental lack of knowledge of the laws of physics. But he represents a huge section of mankind, there are many others like him. It depresses me that many haven't evolved beyond such blinkered "thinking", if you can call it that.

 

The Westboro crew! Lewis Therough spent some time with them, that was a bit of an eye opener.

 

Welcome to the world of the logical inconsistency hoops you have to jump through when you associated yourself with a specific religion!

 

Looked all round the office here, can't find him. As he's supposed to be omnipresent, guess that means I win. I'm happy to be shown to be wrong, all you have to do is present god to me and you win.

 

Each word you type makes me more worried regarding your mental health to be honest, just the way you are coming across to me.

OK prove there is a god. You can't, the same as I can't definitively prove there isn't. Job done.
This thread makes my skin crawl at times.....

You wanna believe that people who are gay are mentally deficient or disabled, fine. I can see why the question was asked regarding your opinions of homosexuals, it's certainly cleared up alot...