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Old 02 October 2008, 01:59 PM
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Also was a pax in a 250 PS Mini Cooper S on the same day, and it had a Quaife diff, and that was a hoot!
Old 02 October 2008, 02:06 PM
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yeah - but then people complain that the Quaife tugs you around too much. (Which it does).
Remember all the fuss with the Focus RS ...

With the Quaife you need to take the car by the scruff of the neck and be on your toes, then it really delivers. If you don't it will bite you... In terms of driving experience, this is great fun (imho) but the motoring press don't seem to 'get it' and people moan about FWD again.
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Originally Posted by skinters
Garrett GT3071r turbo 0.64,
3" exhaust from turbo back
injectors,
fuel pump
bigger I/C
and cheeky remap.


nice sleeper
Old 02 October 2008, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by skinters
yeah - but then people complain that the Quaife tugs you around too much. (Which it does).
Remember all the fuss with the Focus RS ...

With the Quaife you need to take the car by the scruff of the neck and be on your toes, then it really delivers. If you don't it will bite you... In terms of driving experience, this is great fun (imho) but the motoring press don't seem to 'get it' and people moan about FWD again.

Totally, the Mini was being driven like a kart, full on throttle and being chucked around. It did not show any signs of understeer.....it was hilarious!
Old 02 October 2008, 02:41 PM
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Have to say skinters, well done on the Saab, I really like the look of that and it sounds fruity from the spec as well
Old 02 October 2008, 02:42 PM
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No - with the Quaife coming out of a corner, I still maintain I can be on the power before a RWD car.
Under power it whips the car into the bend as opposed to washing out - you just plant it and go.

Funnily enough a Quaife diff doesnt actually do that much for straight line drag grip. Imporved but not as much as you'd think. It's forte is power corners in which it excels and utterly changes the car's balance for the better.
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Originally Posted by skinters
No - with the Quaife coming out of a corner, I still maintain I can be on the power before a RWD car.
Under power it whips the car into the bend as opposed to washing out - you just plant it and go.

Funnily enough a Quaife diff doesnt actually do that much for straight line drag grip. Imporved but not as much as you'd think. It's forte is power corners in which it excels and utterly changes the car's balance for the better.
Agree with you totally, the owner of the Mini is really chuffed with the mods.
It will be breaking many hearts, even I would keep out of it's way!
Old 02 October 2008, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by skinters
Ahh - Aside from a pile of other stuff over the years, core to the actual power output is
Garrett GT3071r turbo 0.64,
3" exhaust from turbo back
injectors,
fuel pump
bigger I/C
and cheeky remap.

Runs about 1.7bar in the midrange and spools in hard from 3k rpm.
Good tough old Saab block means stock internals are good for 470bhp ish, 165k miles, unopened. Just bolt up on the outside!
There's another 50whp waiting if I put some faster cams in though but have run out of cash.

Old but tough and fun. I don't expect miracles on handling but I've got it pretty damn good, relatively.

Totally stock outside to starting to be quite stealthy in it's old age.

very stealthy looking car impressed!
how did you find out what route to go down with your mods did you go to a tuning company or follow the route on an owners club website post link lol
do you have a quaife fitted?
what kind of remap you got?
and lastly what size of engine is it?
Old 02 October 2008, 04:57 PM
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Cheers!!
Well - started of on generic remaps and approved stages, then went to Maptun and followed their spec. (excellent company)
With new found confidence and help from a few stunningly helpful forums, I did this one pretty much DIY all the way including my remap (which is still work in progress)
I do have quaife fitted and slightly shorter gearing than the interstellar standard setup.
The car is 'rescued' with Abbott springs, Koni adjustables, lots of poly, and 2 whopping great 1" anti-roll bars. Needs big brakes but in keeping with the stealth, it has DS2500 pads which do a surprisingly good job.

Oh and it's a 2.3 and still has the comfiest seats ever... (not my car re. dodgy seat belt thing!)
Old 02 October 2008, 05:22 PM
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Sounds good.
Old 02 October 2008, 06:31 PM
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Don't blow that engine. Rebuild is a nightmare, more than the car's worth.

I have a Saab 95 aero out to pasture round the back that has a wrecked bottom end. And it was running stock boost!
Old 02 October 2008, 06:42 PM
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Yeah - once GM took over for the 9-5 they mucked with the engines vent system (PCV). They also de-specced the pistons to 300bhp max (ish) and pushed oil changes a little longer too iirc.
Net:9-5 engines get sludge issues, lub issues, blown turbos etc etc. It's sad how many die for generally such a simple thing of PCV upgrade and a good sump clean out.

It's funny - to upgrade the 9-5 engine you put the whole bottom end,pistons and cams from a 9k into it.... The 9-5 head itself flows better though and there are plenty of 450-500bhp 9-5s about.
Old 02 October 2008, 07:03 PM
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Remember, when you come to sell it....
Old 02 October 2008, 08:31 PM
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[QUOTE=J4CKO;8171325]
Originally Posted by MooseRacer
my 300bhp Citroen AX will grip once into second.
QUOTE]

Care to elaborate, a 300 bhp AX is relevant to my interests.

I'll get a spec and a few pics up at the weekend.
Old 02 October 2008, 11:29 PM
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oh please, lets stop this fairytale!
Old 03 October 2008, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by davecweed
oh please, lets stop this fairytale!
Weirdo.


No time for more as I have to go to work, however here's one http://www.petewymer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/01.jpg
Old 03 October 2008, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MooseRacer
Weirdo.


No time for more as I have to go to work, however here's one http://www.petewymer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/01.jpg
im just trying say huge power and fwd is silly, once we get to 300+bhp its going to waste alot via wheelspin

and why spend alot money on a ax??
Old 03 October 2008, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by davecweed
oh please, lets stop this fairytale!
how many powerful front wheel drive cars have you driven...or even travelled in? Just asking to we get a little context on your comments
Old 03 October 2008, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by davecweed
im just trying say huge power and fwd is silly, once we get to 300+bhp its going to waste alot via wheelspin

and why spend alot money on a ax??
Don't be daft.

The only advantages of AWD is that it makes average drivers look decent as it requires no skill or self control, it's slightly better in the wet and for 1st gear launches (which make you look like a boy racer anyway).

The real world advantage of AWD vs FWD are none existant, unless you drive everywhere like a **** at break neck speed.

Meet me at Oulton in your AWD car and I will keep with you all day long
Old 03 October 2008, 11:02 AM
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Yes - please remember this whole FWD vs 4WD trackion only really exists during a 1st gear launch.
This is why the 4WD can get really low 0-60times. But then you look at 60-100 times and an equally powered FWD car is usually quicker.

But how often do you do a drag start? Can't recall ever wanting to.

On a track, no, can't see why 4WD would be any quicker unless you are dropping to below 30mph?

Horses for courses. 4WD is nice but not the holy grail for sure.
Old 03 October 2008, 12:52 PM
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All this talk brings back memories of my old Scandi sleeper 300 torquey things was impossible to put down with the original diff but was mighty fun trying

Tim's T4
Old 03 October 2008, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by trails
how many powerful front wheel drive cars have you driven...or even travelled in? Just asking to we get a little context on your comments
lol, loads - here's some ive owned with some power

seat cupra - 180bhp - then 210
volvo s60 T5 - 260bhp - then 300bhp

and done about 50,000miles in each, in all weather conditions!

happy now!
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Originally Posted by davecweed
lol, loads - here's some ive owned with some power

seat cupra - 180bhp - then 210
volvo s60 T5 - 260bhp - then 300bhp

and done about 50,000miles in each, in all weather conditions!

happy now!
so at least you speak from experience...still disagree with your fairytale comment

Were your cars running uprated diff's and suspension or just power upgrades?
Old 03 October 2008, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Don't be daft.

The only advantages of AWD is that it makes average drivers look decent as it requires no skill or self control, it's slightly better in the wet and for 1st gear launches (which make you look like a boy racer anyway).

The real world advantage of AWD vs FWD are none existant, unless you drive everywhere like a **** at break neck speed.

Meet me at Oulton in your AWD car and I will keep with you all day long
thats not all true, 300bhp, wet road, some corners, adds upto problems!, in the first 3 gears, I know!, cos ive had a 300bhp fwd car in the past, done lots of miles with it, etc
Old 03 October 2008, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by davecweed
im just trying say huge power and fwd is silly, once we get to 300+bhp its going to waste alot via wheelspin

and why spend alot money on a ax??
Fair enough I thought you were trying to cast doubt on it's existance

Spec etc to come tomorrow, as for why spend money on an AX? 1) Because they are very light and 2) Because no-one else does, or expects it
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Originally Posted by trails
so at least you speak from experience...still disagree with your fairytale comment

Were your cars running uprated diff's and suspension or just power upgrades?
just power upgrades
Old 03 October 2008, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by davecweed
just power upgrades
Gotta look after the chassis too dude
Old 04 October 2008, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by trails
Gotta look after the chassis too dude
ive moved on now, im a rwd, bmw driving **** nowadays, lol
Old 04 October 2008, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by davecweed
ive moved on now, im a rwd, bmw driving **** nowadays, lol
Old 05 October 2008, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by skinters
Yes - please remember this whole FWD vs 4WD trackion only really exists during a 1st gear launch.
This is why the 4WD can get really low 0-60times. But then you look at 60-100 times and an equally powered FWD car is usually quicker.

But how often do you do a drag start? Can't recall ever wanting to.

On a track, no, can't see why 4WD would be any quicker unless you are dropping to below 30mph?

Horses for courses. 4WD is nice but not the holy grail for sure.
The 147 in this clip must have made up some ground on the straights for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNZJlond93w

The M3 times and Sti times were done in the dry as well according to the laptime board - did they use a better Stig in the Alfa?


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