fast bloke

Proof by counter example shows your statement to be incorrect. The scientists investigated Aurora Borealis and found the real cause. They didn't try to prove that it didn't exist. They just wanted to know why it did

OllyK

Where has science rejected them to start with? You've already been directed at one study to do with the effieacy of prayer. There are countless experiments around telepathy and psychic powers. Acupunture, homeopathy and many other quack treatements have also been the subject of scientific study.

Do you have some particular area of the supernatural that you consider the scientific community have dismissed out of hand as it certainly isn't across the board.

Style

iTrader: (1)

do you believe everything someone tells you?

god lives with father christmas and the tooth fairy.

why do people easliy accept there is no tooth fairy. but have issues when it comes to 'god'

when i was little i believed in god, but thats what you do as a child, you listen to adults... till i developed a brain...

people who still believe in god, are idiots and need to stop listening to what people tell them.

its all based on how much the child respects the people who tell them 'god' exists. if for instance, all the people the child respects say/believe there is a god, the child will also believe.

hence it was passed down for the last 2000 years, but thank god lol it is dying out now.

for instance, if there really was a heaven, as great as its mena be, preachers etc, would be loving coming to the end of their lifes' 'wahoo, im off to heaven soon!!, cant wait!' but there not. is it cause they dont really belive all the bull**** they've been spouting.

science is fact. religeon is not. shouldnt get the two mixed up.

anyopne who believes in religeon nowadays, is only doing it cause of what they've been told( in some cases drilled into them) these people need to get a grip and decide to make their own minds up about things, and find out for yourself, not belive what people tell you

scooby L

But If they want to have a faith...

I'm sure you're not telling them to abandon it though...

A bold statement like that from a relative newbie could almost be quizzed as suspicious and inflamitory...

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Aha!!

Now I know who is responsible for this



Ns" Hopes the Big guy has a sense of humour" 04

markGT

You don't need a 5 billion pound machine to tell you that. Just read the Bible in its entirety from start to finish. Anybody who tells you its the word of God is either an idiot, been indoctorated from an early age or haven’t read the bible (this is normally the case). A little bit of common sense, education and a grasp on reality should tell you rest.

I've read it about three times and I find it a great source of amusement with loads of laugh out loud bits in it and more contradictions than you can shake a stick at. I believe most Bible theologians have come up with over 100 contradictions in the Bible. So much for the word of God, the word of a vile bunch of idiots more like.

Religious people won't be convinced by any evidence no matter how damming, the condition is called cognitive dissonance.

The Bible itself does a very good job of proving that it’s not divinely inspired all by itself without any help from anybody else. Talking Donkey's says it all really!!!!

what would scooby do

people should be told to abandon it - religions should never be held sacred or untouchable

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Who was it that said: "I am way too much of a cynic to deny the possibility of anything"

As a Psychologist, I do understand why some people are so opposed to religion, especially in this day and age where so many **** poor examples of human beings try and use it to justify acts of intolerance and hatred. However, equally, I also see why some people are compelled to it, and the good it brings out in them. Frankly, any ideology that achieves this, no matter how "absurd" it may seem to the empirically minded, isn't a bad thing.

Just because you don't see the point in something/derive anything useful out of it, doesn't make it wrong, or make you justified in denigrating its role in the lives of others. That applies to both Science and Religion. As with many things in life, it's horses for courses!

Ns04

Bubba po

I think Scientists don't bother to study the existence or non-existence of God for this reason:

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

You missed the bit after, that goes on to say...

Lest he layeth the smackdown on you!

Ns04

fast bloke

Just because someone has something taught to them by parents and teachers, it doesn't mean they will automatically adopt those theories and thoughts........... your typing and spelling are living proof

Turbohot

Hello to FB

markGT

Lets not forget the Bible isn’t a good book turned bad by us mere mortals. It was and still is a heinous book that condones slavery, ethnic cleaning, genocide, murder, hates women etc etc. But let’s not forget the Bible is man made and is not divinely inspired. Just because it gives people comfort does not make it right. Tens of millions have been killed and still are in the name of religion. Isn't it wrong for a man dressed in white robes to tell a Black African that if they use a condom they are going to hell. Hence the millions dying each year in Africa because of religious dogma. I'm sorry Ns04 but I fail to see the harmless benefits!

Religion brings the worst out in good people.

It takes a bad person to do bad things, but it takes religion for a good person to do bad things.

Here is a good example of how harmless religion is follow this link.

'Palin: average isn't good enough' by Sam Harris, Los Angeles Times - RichardDawkins.net

This inbred red neck dangerous women could soon be the most powerful woman in the world. Do you still think its harmless???

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Can you not see the inherent flaw in that logic?

I think your diatribe against religion reflects your own prejudice, rather than any objective analysis.

Also, you're twisting my words. Nothing is inherently good nor bad; thinking/ interpretation makes it that way. Are we to condemn entire institutions on the basis of the behavior of some? However you categorise people, you will find bad apples, the category of atheist has had a few I dare say; should we perhaps ban atheism?

Ns04

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

One thing I have noticed is that whenever science or religion attempts to dismiss the other, they both tend to resort to sweeping generalisations.

Perhaps, in time, people will come to realise that both religion and science are tools of humanity, ultimately, WE are responsible for how they're interpreted/used. Both present great uses and great dangers, (both have been used for good and evil) neither are inherently good nor bad.

Believe in whatever you will, be it science, religion, both or just yourselves, but heed this warning: believe in something, because without hope, nothing else matters.

This is what "extremists" (for want of a better term) on both sides fail to grasp.

Ns "This 'sermon' is over, go in peace and just be nice to each other" 04

Turbohot

I do like that ^

Martin2005

Are we talking serious, well funded science, or TV features here?

Style

iTrader: (1)

if they dont automatically adopt it, then they haven't been 'taught' it matey.

without trying to make you sound stupid it doesn't look like you know what the word means

Turbohot

Beg your pardon?????

I think you are considering Fast Bloke's post (below)......>

......... as mine

Fast Bloke's post was amusing, come on

About me, I would like to think that I know what religion means I just don't want to mass debate it, if you don't mind

PS: Just lightening up a bit. No offence to the mood of this thread, or to anyone, OK?

Bubba po

Anyone intending to participate in this thread ought to read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins before pressing a single key of their keyboard.

Martin2005

why?

dpb

Hes shorta cash

Bubba po

Because in it, Professor Dawkins sets out the single most thorough, far-reaching, intelligent and convincing argument against the existence of a God that has ever been published to my knowledge. Reading it would arm any possible contributor to this thread with details of every conceivable argument and counter-argument that has been advanced on the subject.

Of course, it would make the thread superfluous, then.

Midlife......

iTrader: (2)

Bubba

Nope.......best read this guy

The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's old and written in a humerous style but apart from a few fundamental particles missing from the standard model sums it all up

Stephen hawkins take note LOL

Shaun

Bubba po

I said "read" not "buy". You are aware of the invention called a "Library" I suppose? It's really gr8, u can read books for nothing.

Bubba po

I'll give that a read in the morning, I think.

dpb

Surely its in the mind of the beholder anyway

- if the world keeps sh*ting on you and youve no one else to look after you you too would be seeking some greater ...

Im not really a believer - but then very little has gone seriously wrong

Martin2005

Well all we'd end up with then is a debate about a definition of god I suspect.

And I've run out of chablis, so not a good time to start that one off

Personally I find the Dali Lama more convincing than Dawkins (from what I've seen of him anyway), but each to thier own

Bubba po

Up here in the North, we prefer a nice Chateau de Chassilier.

fast bloke

Taught - past tense of teach - I can teach you how to sell life insurance, but that won't make you want to sell life insurance. - It will just give you an understanding of how life insurance should be sold. I think you are being confused by the words indoctrinated and taught. But maybe that just your religeous beliefs.


but anyway - feel free to make me try and make me look stupid.

p.s. - I agree with the point you are trying to make, but ridiculing other peoples perspective will look far more constructive if you at least pretend you have had an education and no how too speel hard words like religeon