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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby401
Thats not a bad figure, had a RR day @ powerstation last saturday and a td0520g'd, 440's, fmic, 2.5" de-cat,apexie'd,afpr,induction kitted, andy forrest mapped 93 wrx did 327bhp, my td0520g'd 06 wrx got the highest power of the day (inc the evo's that came along) with 369.9bhp/369.1lbf.ft (has run 404.7lbf.ft on same RR with cooler temps) .
What was the power at the wheels mate ?

Also,what boost were you running ?
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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249.6bhp atw, powerstation use a maha RR (much greater losses between flywheel and wheels than a dastec or dyno dynamics RR),saw a dastec graph of a simlar powered car with approx 330bhp atw but my cars only ever been on powerstations RR.
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 10:55 PM
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sorry 1.5bar
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby401
sorry 1.5bar
Same boost as me then

Really don't know what's going on with mine
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mus 1st class sti type r
350 on the dyno ur propberly getting more on the road.the Tdo5 20g turbo is a very good turbo it produces figures from 350mimum to 380bhp. but when u add meth octatne booster u can get up to 440, i think andy forests own car was runing 440 or 430 not 100% sure.
his last car the RA ran 440 BHP on a 20G on scottimax, but i wouldent expect anybody else to come close to them figures on a 20G as he maps his own car quite aggressively compared to a customers where he backs it off slightly for safety reasons

think about 370/380 on a 20G with pump fuel is pretty normal TBH, its the same as what im making on my 20G with similar mods to yours (view my scooby) Andy reckoned i was about 360/370 @ 1.3 bar on pump fuel and 390/400 on scottimax @ 1.45 bar, the car hasnt been dyno`d its just the figures he gave me after our mapping session so no graph from me
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 09:31 AM
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sy i really wouldnt worrie , as you and pretty much every one who has been in your car or seen it says "it goes like f#ck" so i really wouldnt worrie to much mate , worrie when my wagons all over yout back lol .(in ten years time ).
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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p.s get it up the strip see what it does tht might change your opinion on only 350 bhp .
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 11:29 AM
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sy i really wouldnt worrie , as you and pretty much every one who has been in your car or seen it says "it goes like f#ck" so i really wouldnt worrie to much mate , worrie when my wagons all over yout back lol .(in ten years time ).
It does go very well on the road but it's still dropping off boost at the top end which is annoying me now because nobody seems to know why it's doing it for certain !

It only made 335bhp at Powerstation @ 1.5 bar but previously made 330bhp @ 1.3 bar with a misfire

Like I told you,it's never ending
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 12:43 PM
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i am having similar problems , how can i get my car to hold 1.5 bar boost.
would a new actuator from forge help ?
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Originally Posted by 340BHP-WRX
It does go very well on the road but it's still dropping off boost at the top end which is annoying me now because nobody seems to know why it's doing it for certain !

It only made 335bhp at Powerstation @ 1.5 bar but previously made 330bhp @ 1.3 bar with a misfire

Like I told you,it's never ending
Again those figures are about the same as all the tdo5-20g's on a 2ltr were getting @ powerstation , my 370/370 was on a 2.5
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sti-chris
i am having similar problems , how can i get my car to hold 1.5 bar boost.
would a new actuator from forge help ?
Yes maybe,that's what i'm thinking of getting at the moment.

I've just been out in mine and one minute it's holding 1.55 bar then it's only holding 1.2 bar
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Are you sure your inlet pipe is not sucking shut?

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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Are you sure your inlet pipe is not sucking shut?

Banny
Don't think it is mate.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby401
Again those figures are about the same as all the tdo5-20g's on a 2ltr were getting @ powerstation , my 370/370 was on a 2.5
well i would say your getting a bad batch of 20G`s @ powerstation then, those figures he has is surprisingly low TBH , im on a 2.0L and make 370 and know of other 2.0L`s who make similar figures
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well i would say your getting a bad batch of 20G`s @ powerstation then, those figures he has is surprisingly low TBH , im on a 2.0L and make 370 and know of other 2.0L`s who make similar figures
That's exactly what i'm thinking,I was expecting at least 370bhp when I built the car and went for the 20G !
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well i would say your getting a bad batch of 20G`s @ powerstation then, those figures he has is surprisingly low TBH , im on a 2.0L and make 370 and know of other 2.0L`s who make similar figures
Nothing wrong with the turbos (not supplied by powerstation),all from Andy F himself, also a 2ltr with a AF td05-18g came close to 360bhp, powerstation is the RR most of the guys at "south wales scoobys" choose, we know its conservative but consistant and shows true progresion from modding, we also know some other RR's give exagerated figures (could see over 400bhp from mine), but whats the point.
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Originally Posted by scooby401
Nothing wrong with the turbos (not supplied by powerstation),all from Andy F himself, also a 2ltr with a AF td05-18g came close to 360bhp, powerstation is the RR most of the guys at "south wales scoobys" choose, we know its conservative but consistant and shows true progresion from modding, we also know some other RR's give exagerated figures (could see over 400bhp from mine), but whats the point.
Mine only made 335bhp at Powerstation !
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Originally Posted by scooby401
also a 2ltr with a AF td05-18g came close to 360bhp,
not saying theres anything wrong with powerstations rollers lol

but the above figure of 360 from an 18G speaks for its self really, if a 18G is making 360 (which is a bloody healthy figure for an 18G!!) then surely a 20G should be making more than 330/340?
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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i fitted an andy f 20g few weeks ago and got paul to map it,i had similar problem while he was mapping it .it would shoot up to 1.55 then back off to 1.1ish turned out to be the gold paint on the actuator was making it stick ,it freed itself off in the end and made 1.55 all the time and holds it solid
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Originally Posted by maydew
i fitted an andy f 20g few weeks ago and got paul to map it,i had similar problem while he was mapping it .it would shoot up to 1.55 then back off to 1.1ish turned out to be the gold paint on the actuator was making it stick ,it freed itself off in the end and made 1.55 all the time and holds it solid
I thought it was an actuator issue but I now have another actuator fitted that Andy Forrest sent me and it's exactly the same.
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have u spoke to jolly green monster who mapped it , other than that all i can think off is check u dont have any leaks i.e dump valve,ic pipes
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Originally Posted by maydew
have u spoke to jolly green monster who mapped it , other than that all i can think off is check u dont have any leaks i.e dump valve,ic pipes
Yep,talking to him at the moment. When he first mapped it for me when it was first built he thought it was the actuator so I would it up a couple of turns but that made no difference so we both thought it was a weak actuator. That's why I got hold of another actuator from Andy Forrest,thinking it would cure the problem but it obviously hasn't.

IC pipework,clamps etc have been checked and re-checked as all other pipework etc has been aswell.

Only other thing I can think of at the moment is that maybe I have a dodgy Andy Forrest 20G
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or it still could be the actuator ?? get andy f to send you anoutha one as there seems to be more than one thats supplied that has a fault mate .
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The other thing to consider is that the turbo is just one small part of the overall system, and that to make "good" power on a given setup, everything needs to be right.
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The other thing to consider is that the turbo is just one small part of the overall system, and that to make "good" power on a given setup, everything needs to be right.
Couldn't agree more! I get quite a few PMs asking about my mods and some people seem genuinely surprised when I reply with a list of mods, rather than just the serial code for a turbo!

Something which hasn't been discussed so far is the fact that this is, presumably, a 12 year old engine! It's probably not going to produce the same power levels that it would have done at half that age! 350 in a classic is nice. The only issue I'd have is would this have been achievable with a smaller turbo to improve boost threshold, response etc...

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Ns04,

I didn't supply the turbo, nor did I do the current map, in fact we recommended an alternative solution!
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Couldn't agree more! I get quite a few PMs asking about my mods and some people seem genuinely surprised when I reply with a list of mods, rather than just the serial code for a turbo!

Something which hasn't been discussed so far is the fact that this is, presumably, a 12 year old engine! It's probably not going to produce the same power levels that it would have done at half that age! 350 in a classic is nice. The only issue I'd have is would this have been achievable with a smaller turbo to improve boost threshold, response etc... (not a dig at Zen in any way, more of a question to the OP about specification etc)

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The spec was put together with 380bhp in mind or more,that's why I chose the 20G over the 18G after taking advice from Andy Forrest.

Zen haven't set any of this up for me,just took it to them to see what they could do with it.

Oh,and the engine is a very low mileage sti ra v-limited

Regarding the spec,most parts are the same as when I was running a wrx engine apart from the turbo,at the time I was running a standard TD05 16g and that produced 340bhp/320ft/lbs @ 1.4 bar

I'm sure if it would hold the boost better that I would get somewhere near the figures that I expected.
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the only way you will find out is to speak to the mapper what did the mapper say??
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Originally Posted by mus 1st class sti type r
the only way you will find out is to speak to the mapper what did the mapper say??
Spoke to JGM and he said when it was mapped it took loads of timing and revved freely,he thought at the time that it was maybe a weak actuator.

Maybe i've been unlucky and got 2 weak actuators from Andy Forrest
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Ns04,

I didn't supply the turbo, nor did I do the current map, in fact we recommended an alternative solution!
Apologies for the mistake on my part! post edited!
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