***Apex/BC coilover Group Buy number 3!***
20 August 2008, 11:40 AM
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No, theyre going to follow, theyre going to be October.
As above, October, same prices as the other kits so £486.75 
None in stock, theyre due mid September
You should ahve had them already, Im chasing now.
Yep, due mid September. We can do them within around 7 days but only at the normal price as we have to airfreight and you would be a normal retail order.
You can order over the phone on 01274 683633
Hi Bren it's Toby from Toy Tuning Ltd. Do you have any sets in for a Classic 1995 WRX Wagon? Our two rear shock absorbers have gone and we are in desperate need of replacement, we were looking for a s/hand rear OEM set but seeing as a full set of Apex Coilovers are so reasonable it makes sense to go for them.
Can you let me know time frame on these as we need to tow the demo car to race meetings over the next few months and without the Suabru in action it won't be happening!
Thanks,
T
Can you let me know time frame on these as we need to tow the demo car to race meetings over the next few months and without the Suabru in action it won't be happening!
Thanks,
T
You should ahve had them already, Im chasing now.
You can order over the phone on 01274 683633
20 August 2008, 02:35 PM
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are the apex/bc coilovers still available i need a set for my 98 2000 turbo (in a bit of a rush) if so how do i order?
Yep, due mid September. We can do them within around 7 days but only at the normal price as we have to airfreight and you would be a normal retail order.
You can order over the phone on 01274 683633 thanks for reply will give you a call, i would rather get on group buy as my budget is tight,dont mind waitig longer if thats the case ,plus i want other group buy items(hard race mounts and maybe some brakes).
are the apex/bc coilovers still available i need a set for my 98 2000 turbo (in a bit of a rush) if so how do i order?
Yep, due mid September. We can do them within around 7 days but only at the normal price as we have to airfreight and you would be a normal retail order.
You can order over the phone on 01274 683633 thanks for reply will give you a call, i would rather get on group buy as my budget is tight,dont mind waitig longer if thats the case ,plus i want other group buy items(hard race mounts and maybe some brakes).
21 August 2008, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by stu turbo 98
are the apex/bc coilovers still available i need a set for my 98 2000 turbo (in a bit of a rush) if so how do i order?
Yep, due mid September. We can do them within around 7 days but only at the normal price as we have to airfreight and you would be a normal retail order.
You can order over the phone on 01274 683633 thanks for reply will give you a call, i would rather get on group buy as my budget is tight,dont mind waitig longer if thats the case ,plus i want other group buy items(hard race mounts and maybe some brakes).
are the apex/bc coilovers still available i need a set for my 98 2000 turbo (in a bit of a rush) if so how do i order?
Yep, due mid September. We can do them within around 7 days but only at the normal price as we have to airfreight and you would be a normal retail order.
You can order over the phone on 01274 683633 thanks for reply will give you a call, i would rather get on group buy as my budget is tight,dont mind waitig longer if thats the case ,plus i want other group buy items(hard race mounts and maybe some brakes).
21 August 2008, 04:43 PM
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Bunch of tossbags these fedX, first of all the driver lied and said I wasnt in, I moaned they redelivered, thought this box is light, must be another item Ive ordered. Opened the box - full of florist business cards 
So, redelivering AGAIN tonight, I wonder what I'll get this time.
So, redelivering AGAIN tonight, I wonder what I'll get this time.
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5/4 is a nice spring rate for the new age cars, but IMHO too firm for classics intended for predominantly road use (ok if you are a track day fan). The Tein Flex kit that was referred to at the beginning of this thread runs 6/5 on the classic and new age IIRC (so I think the comparison may have been comparing softer apex spings to harder Tein springs), but Tein suggest the superstreet package for classics intended for predominantly road use, which runs 4/3. I think Bren et al are working on Apex coilovers with a 4/3 spring rate. I'd suggest classic owners wait till then or at least try a car equipped with this spring rate before buying, as you might find it a bit much!
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Ns04,
Thats good input , im watching this thread with interest, not only for the good price but for information and reviews like that. My car will rarely see the track and although its not a daily driver i still dont want a mega harsh ride. Its an exceptional price and if the product was right for the car i would still be interested in taking it , with the view to changeing the springs at a later date.
Cheers
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Thats good input , im watching this thread with interest, not only for the good price but for information and reviews like that. My car will rarely see the track and although its not a daily driver i still dont want a mega harsh ride. Its an exceptional price and if the product was right for the car i would still be interested in taking it , with the view to changeing the springs at a later date.
Cheers
si
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Ns04,
Thats good input , im watching this thread with interest, not only for the good price but for information and reviews like that. My car will rarely see the track and although its not a daily driver i still dont want a mega harsh ride. Its an exceptional price and if the product was right for the car i would still be interested in taking it , with the view to changeing the springs at a later date.
Cheers
si
Thats good input , im watching this thread with interest, not only for the good price but for information and reviews like that. My car will rarely see the track and although its not a daily driver i still dont want a mega harsh ride. Its an exceptional price and if the product was right for the car i would still be interested in taking it , with the view to changeing the springs at a later date.
Cheers
si
I think you'll be best off with 4/3 mate. With adjustable damping the ride can be made very similar to OEM (just a bit grumpier over big, sharp bumps) as soon as you start turning the dampers up the car becomes more STi like.
My GF inists I have the EDFC set to fully soft! Wuss!
I've just reviewed the Superstreet kit in SN general. Check out the review - you may find it helpful.
BTW Not trying to poach custom from this GB. I don't sell anything!!
Just don't want Bren et al getting angry letters/calls from people who only use their cars on the road saying the coilovers they supplied are firmer than they really wanted for their classics.Ns04
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Yup, i think your prob right, i hope someone official can confirm if the GB is still alive and if the different spring rate would be an option
Food for thought , thanks Ns04
Cheers
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Food for thought , thanks Ns04
Cheers
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as above can we here from bren (have PM,d him too),
wether this is still active.
PLUS frm people who have bought these for classics and what the ride quility is like.
wether this is still active.
PLUS frm people who have bought these for classics and what the ride quility is like.
02 September 2008, 01:13 PM
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Nope, still taking orders
Only gold amd black now Im afraid.
Yep, give us a shout to get involved
The car was a Nissan 200SX. In the 200 world the Flex are considered to give the optimum balance between ride and handling for a roda going vehicle. Hence the comparison between ours and Flex. Spring rate is irrelevent in terms of a direct comparison, people want the ride to be like the Flex so it doesnt matter what spring rates our kits run as long as the ride is comparible.
We have sold a lot of 5/4 GC8 kits and havent had one single person come back asking about way to soften up the rider, that must indicate something
But yes, we are working on an even more supple kit, the prototype will be delivered with the next sea shipment
Its not just spring rate alone that dicate ride, its also the damping rate. Softening the spring will help to an extent but you really alter the ride you also need to revave the dampers to suit. And the softer you go the longer damper travel you need to stop you hitting the bump stops which is one of the areas we have addressed with the new 4/3 prototype kit coming soon
The new kit isnt expected to be the big new seller though, we currently sell lot of 6/5 kits and again I dont believe we have had one single Impreza customer come back complaining about the ride and asking to buy softer springs. Its not an expensive mod either, to drop the spring rates all round from 6/5 you just buy a pair of 4s, put the original rear 5s on the front and the new 4s on the back so its only £40 for the one pair of springs.
If the 4/3 prototypes work as expected them theyll be available to purchase from mid October
Yep, give us a shout to get involved
5/4 is a nice spring rate for the new age cars, but IMHO too firm for classics intended for predominantly road use (ok if you are a track day fan). The Tein Flex kit that was referred to at the beginning of this thread runs 6/5 on the classic and new age IIRC (so I think the comparison may have been comparing softer apex spings to harder Tein springs), but Tein suggest the superstreet package for classics intended for predominantly road use, which runs 4/3. I think Bren et al are working on Apex coilovers with a 4/3 spring rate. I'd suggest classic owners wait till then or at least try a car equipped with this spring rate before buying, as you might find it a bit much!
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We have sold a lot of 5/4 GC8 kits and havent had one single person come back asking about way to soften up the rider, that must indicate something
But yes, we are working on an even more supple kit, the prototype will be delivered with the next sea shipment
Ns04,
Thats good input , im watching this thread with interest, not only for the good price but for information and reviews like that. My car will rarely see the track and although its not a daily driver i still dont want a mega harsh ride. Its an exceptional price and if the product was right for the car i would still be interested in taking it , with the view to changeing the springs at a later date.
Cheers
si
Thats good input , im watching this thread with interest, not only for the good price but for information and reviews like that. My car will rarely see the track and although its not a daily driver i still dont want a mega harsh ride. Its an exceptional price and if the product was right for the car i would still be interested in taking it , with the view to changeing the springs at a later date.
Cheers
si
The new kit isnt expected to be the big new seller though, we currently sell lot of 6/5 kits and again I dont believe we have had one single Impreza customer come back complaining about the ride and asking to buy softer springs. Its not an expensive mod either, to drop the spring rates all round from 6/5 you just buy a pair of 4s, put the original rear 5s on the front and the new 4s on the back so its only £40 for the one pair of springs.
If the 4/3 prototypes work as expected them theyll be available to purchase from mid October
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Nope, still taking orders
Only gold amd black now Im afraid.
Yep, give us a shout to get involved
The car was a Nissan 200SX. In the 200 world the Flex are considered to give the optimum balance between ride and handling for a roda going vehicle. Hence the comparison between ours and Flex. Spring rate is irrelevent in terms of a direct comparison, people want the ride to be like the Flex so it doesnt matter what spring rates our kits run as long as the ride is comparible.
We have sold a lot of 5/4 GC8 kits and havent had one single person come back asking about way to soften up the rider, that must indicate something
But yes, we are working on an even more supple kit, the prototype will be delivered with the next sea shipment
Its not just spring rate alone that dicate ride, its also the damping rate. Softening the spring will help to an extent but you really alter the ride you also need to revave the dampers to suit. And the softer you go the longer damper travel you need to stop you hitting the bump stops which is one of the areas we have addressed with the new 4/3 prototype kit coming soon
The new kit isnt expected to be the big new seller though, we currently sell lot of 6/5 kits and again I dont believe we have had one single Impreza customer come back complaining about the ride and asking to buy softer springs. Its not an expensive mod either, to drop the spring rates all round from 6/5 you just buy a pair of 4s, put the original rear 5s on the front and the new 4s on the back so its only £40 for the one pair of springs.
If the 4/3 prototypes work as expected them theyll be available to purchase from mid October
Only gold amd black now Im afraid.
Yep, give us a shout to get involved
The car was a Nissan 200SX. In the 200 world the Flex are considered to give the optimum balance between ride and handling for a roda going vehicle. Hence the comparison between ours and Flex. Spring rate is irrelevent in terms of a direct comparison, people want the ride to be like the Flex so it doesnt matter what spring rates our kits run as long as the ride is comparible.
We have sold a lot of 5/4 GC8 kits and havent had one single person come back asking about way to soften up the rider, that must indicate something
But yes, we are working on an even more supple kit, the prototype will be delivered with the next sea shipment
Its not just spring rate alone that dicate ride, its also the damping rate. Softening the spring will help to an extent but you really alter the ride you also need to revave the dampers to suit. And the softer you go the longer damper travel you need to stop you hitting the bump stops which is one of the areas we have addressed with the new 4/3 prototype kit coming soon
The new kit isnt expected to be the big new seller though, we currently sell lot of 6/5 kits and again I dont believe we have had one single Impreza customer come back complaining about the ride and asking to buy softer springs. Its not an expensive mod either, to drop the spring rates all round from 6/5 you just buy a pair of 4s, put the original rear 5s on the front and the new 4s on the back so its only £40 for the one pair of springs.
If the 4/3 prototypes work as expected them theyll be available to purchase from mid October
Someone must have said something or you wouldn't be developing a softer kit!
In all seriousness, if you were looking to compare spring rates within a particular car and just hoping to achieve comparable comfort between brands using different rates then that's fine (as long as the confounding variable is stated). The point that needs clarification, I think, is that spring rates that are right for one car, can't just be generalised to other cars, or -in some cases- between different model years of car, as is the case with Scoobies. The chassis on the new age very significantly stiffer and they are also significantly heavier.As such is is more amenable to harder springs.
You are, of course, right in saying that damping makes all the difference. For a road car, better to go with softer springs with a good range of damping adjustment IMHO.
The first thing you find out when you dip your toes in the adjustable damping dept is that no one setting cures all!
It's always a compromise, so it's about finding a combo that works well most of the time, lest you end up sodding around with the settings all the time. Easy enough if you have EDFC, not so easy if you don't. My concern is that if you start with too stiff a spring rate, then whatever you do with the dampers, you won't like it! I find that even on the soft settings with 4/3 springs, it's very hard to get any appreciable body movement, which would make getting firmer springs pointless IMHO.
I find that I actually like the dampers a bit firmer for road work, now, my mates and GF completely disagree and insist I set the car to soft lol.
I'm not trying to disuade people from your coilovers in the least (I'm hearing great reviews about them), I just think that those with a classic who really want to retain comfort for the road should consider holding fire till you get the 4/3 kits in (or at least go for a ride in a car with 5/4 springs).
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The 4/3 are in response to ASTs softer road going options, not because of any direct feedback Ive had from customers running our kits Im preempting a need from a part of the market that our product range doesnt currently fullfil. However I still dont believe that section of the market to be particularly big.
Youre running Tein Superstreet? Have you actually tried any of our coilovers or are you speaking just from a theoretical viewpoint based on your experience of a third parties product? I appriciate youre just trying to help but how can you give advice out to people if you havent tried the product in question? The fact that you run 4/3 on a Tein product doesnt automatically tell you what the ride on our 5/4s is like. Theres no direct comparison available there.
Its chalk and cheese.
Makes no odds to me if people want to wait for the 4/3s but Im not convinced that youre advice is accurate for the majority of the guys wanting to upgrade their Classics original set up Ride quality is very much a personal preference thing, ones persons soft is another persons rock hard. The lack of people chasing me for softer springs indicates that in the main my customers are happy with their curent set up The 4/3s are more for those who want to lower their car and gain some control and adjustability over damping and alignment without deviating far from the original quality of ride.
Most people want stiffer than that. 4/3s are for Yorkshire Moors tighy and bumpy back roads, not general A and B road blasts and certainly not any serious track work.
Im preempting a need from a part of the market that our product range doesnt currently fullfil. However I still dont believe that section of the market to be particularly big.Youre running Tein Superstreet? Have you actually tried any of our coilovers or are you speaking just from a theoretical viewpoint based on your experience of a third parties product? I appriciate youre just trying to help but how can you give advice out to people if you havent tried the product in question? The fact that you run 4/3 on a Tein product doesnt automatically tell you what the ride on our 5/4s is like. Theres no direct comparison available there.
Its chalk and cheese.
Makes no odds to me if people want to wait for the 4/3s but Im not convinced that youre advice is accurate for the majority of the guys wanting to upgrade their Classics original set up
Ride quality is very much a personal preference thing, ones persons soft is another persons rock hard. The lack of people chasing me for softer springs indicates that in the main my customers are happy with their curent set up The 4/3s are more for those who want to lower their car and gain some control and adjustability over damping and alignment without deviating far from the original quality of ride.Most people want stiffer than that. 4/3s are for Yorkshire Moors tighy and bumpy back roads, not general A and B road blasts and certainly not any serious track work.
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The 4/3 are in response to ASTs softer road going options, not because of any direct feedback Ive had from customers running our kits Im preempting a need from a part of the market that our product range doesnt currently fullfil. However I still dont believe that section of the market to be particularly big.
Youre running Tein Superstreet? Have you actually tried any of our coilovers or are you speaking just from a theoretical viewpoint based on your experience of a third parties product? I appriciate youre just trying to help but how can you give advice out to people if you havent tried the product in question? The fact that you run 4/3 on a Tein product doesnt automatically tell you what the ride on our 5/4s is like. Theres no direct comparison available there.
Its chalk and cheese.
Makes no odds to me if people want to wait for the 4/3s but Im not convinced that youre advice is accurate for the majority of the guys wanting to upgrade their Classics original set up Ride quality is very much a personal preference thing, ones persons soft is another persons rock hard. The lack of people chasing me for softer springs indicates that in the main my customers are happy with their curent set up The 4/3s are more for those who want to lower their car and gain some control and adjustability over damping and alignment without deviating far from the original quality of ride.
Most people want stiffer than that. 4/3s are for Yorkshire Moors tighy and bumpy back roads, not general A and B road blasts and certainly not any serious track work.
Im preempting a need from a part of the market that our product range doesnt currently fullfil. However I still dont believe that section of the market to be particularly big.Youre running Tein Superstreet? Have you actually tried any of our coilovers or are you speaking just from a theoretical viewpoint based on your experience of a third parties product? I appriciate youre just trying to help but how can you give advice out to people if you havent tried the product in question? The fact that you run 4/3 on a Tein product doesnt automatically tell you what the ride on our 5/4s is like. Theres no direct comparison available there.
Its chalk and cheese.
Makes no odds to me if people want to wait for the 4/3s but Im not convinced that youre advice is accurate for the majority of the guys wanting to upgrade their Classics original set up
Ride quality is very much a personal preference thing, ones persons soft is another persons rock hard. The lack of people chasing me for softer springs indicates that in the main my customers are happy with their curent set up The 4/3s are more for those who want to lower their car and gain some control and adjustability over damping and alignment without deviating far from the original quality of ride.Most people want stiffer than that. 4/3s are for Yorkshire Moors tighy and bumpy back roads, not general A and B road blasts and certainly not any serious track work.
And you obviously don't live in London - that's where the truly bad roads are!
No, I've not tried the 5/4 on the apex coilovers, I have on several other makes though. If you say they're ok, I'll take your word for it!
Like I said, I don't want to deter buyers; recent experience has just shown me that some people want OEM ride quality and no body roll etc, and you're just not gonna get that. The 4/3s get you as close to OEM as possible, but you still know they're firmer!Believe me, on the Superstreets, if you crank up the dampers it'll take whatever A or B road you can throw at it and with the dampers set to soft, you'll be able to crack on no matter how bad the roads get! I'm sure serious track work would benefit from higher rates, but it'll be good enough for most! Not everyone has your track experience Bren!
A scooby's natural habitat is on B roads IMHO
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I aggree, some people do want an OEM type ride but in my experience they are in the minority, most people want greater body control without losing the wheel independence you get with uprated anti roll bars and prefer the sportier type ride a stiffer set up give
One S14 customer actually described our 5/4s as giving a 'boat like ride' the ther day! He complained they were way to soft. Thats an extreme example, Ive not heard anyone say 5/4 were boat like before but it illustrates how its all about personal preference and one mans supple is another mans soggy
One S14 customer actually described our 5/4s as giving a 'boat like ride' the ther day! He complained they were way to soft. Thats an extreme example, Ive not heard anyone say 5/4 were boat like before but it illustrates how its all about personal preference and one mans supple is another mans soggy
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It is very subjective, that's why its so important that people try before they buy, if possible. I know a few people who've been deterred from a more subtle set up because they want to go on track, then when you ask them how often they track the car compared to spending on the road, the ratio is about 1% track 99% road! lol They then find out that no matter what they do with their dampers, the spings are too stiff for the potholed streets of their daily commutes.
I well recal having a good blast with one mate in an Evo in my, Std at the time, UK Impreza and he said that he couldn't keep up! That doesn't make any sense I replied; your car is faster and more nimble than mine. Yes, but I was getting bounced all over this sh*tty road and had back off where you just kept it pinned. Ah.....
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The GC8 shipment is arriving in the Uk tommorrow to be with us either late next week or early the following week. If anyone wants in at this special price then give us a shout asap
We will start taking payments for the outstanding order for the kits today.
We will start taking payments for the outstanding order for the kits today.