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30 June 2008, 02:47 PM
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Department for Transport - Aftermarket HID (Xenon) headlamps
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Originally Posted by DfT Link
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
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30 June 2008, 03:09 PM
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NOTHING is illegal to sell, as long as the manufacturer OR the person selling the product (i.e bob) states in writing somewhere that they are either illegal and wont pass mot or for off road use only...i know alot of peeps off scooby net from round here with different cars that have changed to hid kits and theyve passed the mot. as long as their set up poperly, correct ballasts r used etc, voltage, considered about the heat etc. some headlamp lenses wont withstand the heat given from hid bulbs, some do. subaru lights on the newages seem to be able to take the kits ok and no mot failures have been noted by anyone so far
not sticking up for anyone as u two have been helpful in the past!
play nicely guys
not sticking up for anyone as u two have been helpful in the past!
play nicely guys
01 July 2008, 11:12 AM
#34
I'm well aware that you aren't obligated to tell people anything other than how good your product is, but I still feel that you ought to do so.
And as for slander, go for it, Bob. Then we'll see who gets laughed at
Alcazar
01 July 2008, 11:33 AM
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I'm sorry, but without wanting to get into an argument, if a government department states on its website that the supply, fitment and use of aftermarket HID light units is illegal, then I am prepared to give it more credence than some bloke off the internet who's trying to make a few bob. My final comment, and removing subscription to the thread.
01 July 2008, 11:44 AM
#36
Alcazar: You come across as reasonably intelligent, but if you were, you would have looked up the Act itself and not a reference to it.
I have it here. Road Traffic Act 1988.
Look it up.
That's the problem nowadays, people spend so much time on the net they believe that whatever Google kicks up is Gospel.
I have it here. Road Traffic Act 1988.
Look it up.
That's the problem nowadays, people spend so much time on the net they believe that whatever Google kicks up is Gospel.
01 July 2008, 11:57 AM
#38
I'm sorry, but without wanting to get into an argument, if a government department states on its website that the supply, fitment and use of aftermarket HID light units is illegal, then I am prepared to give it more credence than some bloke off the internet who's trying to make a few bob. My final comment, and removing subscription to the thread.
HID Kits are perfectly legal to sell, otherwise we wouldn't be selling them.
01 July 2008, 12:27 PM
#39
I was at a comedy club the other night and the comedian was talking about internet forums, the different types of people, people who go on about the same thing all the time regardless of topic, people who live/eat/breath forums, people who will always argue X and other Y when it is Z being discussed....
It was hilarious. I wish I could find something similar to the set.
Not close but:
YouTube - Internet Forums
YouTube - The 12 F*ck You's Of Online Forums! (With a Hot Girl)
Enjoy
It was hilarious. I wish I could find something similar to the set.
Not close but:
YouTube - Internet Forums
YouTube - The 12 F*ck You's Of Online Forums! (With a Hot Girl)
Enjoy
01 July 2008, 04:24 PM
#42
Alcazar: You come across as reasonably intelligent, but if you were, you would have looked up the Act itself and not a reference to it.
I have it here. Road Traffic Act 1988.
Look it up.
That's the problem nowadays, people spend so much time on the net they believe that whatever Google kicks up is Gospel.
I have it here. Road Traffic Act 1988.
Look it up.
That's the problem nowadays, people spend so much time on the net they believe that whatever Google kicks up is Gospel.
A bit of a barbed compliment thoughI assume you man the Road Vehicle Lighting Legislation, rather than any Road Traffic Act?
I USED to be very familiar with Lighting Regs, back in my Escort Rallying days, the police were quite good at stopping rally cars and checking that they complied, so I made sure mine did
Anyway, rather than go out and buy a copy of the latest regs, then plough through page after page of stuff about every sort of light a car can carry, I opted to speak direct to the DfT. I have named no names, nor do I intend to, since my intention is NOT to stop people buying HID conversion kits, but to ensure that they know the risks they are running if they choose to do so.
The chap who deals with this side of things there, and indeed whose department put out the "press release", as Bob calls it, returned my call this afternoon.
This is a precis of what he told me, (it's a precis, since I didn't tape the call, and it took a good twenty minutes):
(Anyone who doubts the veracity of the info is invited to contact the DfT themselves, Googe it, and you'll get a contact number, just as I did.....Google CAN have some uses
)The DfT's understanding of the relevant lighting regs is that the supply, fitment or use of aftermarket HID kits WILL constitute an offence under the regulations as they stand.
Their understanding of the regs is based on two points:
1. The regs state that any lights used on public roads in the UK shall be E-marked as to their suitability, and shall be maintained in full working order. The ones built for Halogen bulbs do not, and will not, conform to the E-marking for HID "bulbs", and vice versa.
Thus, use of an HID lamp will nullify the E-marking, and make the light unsuitable for use in the UK on public roads, since, in the eyes of the regs, they are no longer "maintained in full working order".
2. The regs also state that any light used must not cause dazzle to other road users, and ALL the aftermarket HID kits that they have tested failed on this point. They ALL produced too much light above the horizontal, and too much in a pool directly in front of the car, which distracted drivers from where they SHOULD be looking.
Note that MOST kits DID pass the MoT beamtester test, but were deemed unsuitable anyway
(Further note that I have no information as to whether the kits sold by Bob5 and Aztec were/are to be tested, and did NOT mention either to my contact.)
My contact went on to say that the relevant laws are in place, and it is DfT's opinion that just because no-one has been prosecuted YET, they never will be, but that it will be for a court of law to interpret the regs too, but that he is confident that said court will reach the same verdict as DfT have done.
I hope that this clears things a little.
Would YOU like to be the first person to test DfT's understanding in a court of law? And would you want to know that it COULD happen, or be unsuspecting?
I have NO personal axe to grind. I myself use LEGAL HID lights on my car, (E-marked driving lights). I do NOT wish to stop others buying, fitting or using HID lights, but I DO wish to INFORM before they make the choice, and will continue to do so.
I would willingly stop putting my "two penn'orth" into HID threads, and will do so, as soon as I see that the buying public are being informed, and I mean fully informed.
Something along the lines of, 'note that these kits are marked "off road use only" ', will do it.
Until then,
Alcazar
02 July 2008, 12:33 PM
#43
Alcazar: As soon as you wrote DfTs 'understanding' of the legislation, the rest wasn't worth reading.
They are speaking a load of mis-informed nonsense quite frankly.
As soon as a product is sold as "for off road use" it all becomes irrelevant, the same as with uprated wattage bulbs etc.
Be realistic, people know what they are buying as they are made aware BEFORE they purchase - what is wrong with that? People are not stupid, if they don't want to buy it because of that, then they simply won't.
I can imagine if Halfords start stocking these, you'll be there in every spare minute of your day telling people what they can already read on the packaging
Lets just leave it at that, and lets not have a 'next time'
They are speaking a load of mis-informed nonsense quite frankly.
As soon as a product is sold as "for off road use" it all becomes irrelevant, the same as with uprated wattage bulbs etc.
Be realistic, people know what they are buying as they are made aware BEFORE they purchase - what is wrong with that? People are not stupid, if they don't want to buy it because of that, then they simply won't.
I can imagine if Halfords start stocking these, you'll be there in every spare minute of your day telling people what they can already read on the packaging
Lets just leave it at that, and lets not have a 'next time'
02 July 2008, 11:00 PM
#46
NOW you fall back on that argument
Got it now Stephen? (Hawkinge)
Alcazar
02 July 2008, 11:16 PM
#47
EVERYBODY IS ALREADY MADE AWARE THAT THEY ARE FOR OFF ROAD USE BEFORE THEY DECIDE TO GO AHEAD AND BUY! I don't need to say it in every post! People are not stupid.
So why are you still quoting pointless Acts and implying they are illegal to sell?
I seriously don't know how to take you. You're either a troll or stupid and cover it up with words? You obviously don't have anything better to do.
What do you do on the weekends? Hang around the lighting section in halfords telling people what they can already read on the packaging?
So why are you still quoting pointless Acts and implying they are illegal to sell?
I seriously don't know how to take you. You're either a troll or stupid and cover it up with words? You obviously don't have anything better to do.
What do you do on the weekends? Hang around the lighting section in halfords telling people what they can already read on the packaging?
03 July 2008, 12:56 PM
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03 July 2008, 02:25 PM
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Guys, although your conversation posts are rather entertaining, it is getting a little long in the tooth now. You both have made valid points for and against, but the fact is that, if BOB wants to sell these HID kits and not always mention that they are for off road use or that it is illegal to sell these sort of HID kits then surely it is on BOB's shoulders, not yours Alcazar. Yes it may be nice to know all the facts, but come on guys, if someone wants to buy a hid kit they will.
It is time to put this thread to rest I think.
It is time to put this thread to rest I think.
03 July 2008, 05:22 PM
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Guys, although your conversation posts are rather entertaining, it is getting a little long in the tooth now. You both have made valid points for and against, but the fact is that, if BOB wants to sell these HID kits and not always mention that they are for off road use or that it is illegal to sell these sort of HID kits then surely it is on BOB's shoulders, not yours Alcazar. Yes it may be nice to know all the facts, but come on guys, if someone wants to buy a hid kit they will.
It is time to put this thread to rest I think.
It is time to put this thread to rest I think.
Alcazar
04 July 2008, 01:23 PM
#51
Some are: you for one. Do you seriously believe that EVERYONE reads your small print?
Pointless acts? I'm not quoting ANY acts Bob, YOU were the one who brought that up, I mentioned ROAD VEHICLE LIGHTING REGULATIONS, and the only quotes are from my contact at DfT, the expert on these matters, an actual "Lighting Engineer". I DID mention that I had not gone out and bought the regs.. You obviously only read half my post............oh, sorry, you already said that
Stupid? That implies I don't listen to others or read what they say...........oh sorry, that's you again eh? Nowt better to do? What, like YOU have, so much that you keep on replying to a so-called troll? Sad, or what?
No mate, IF I was in Halfrauds I'd most probably be telling people to shop elsewhere for better prices
Alcazar
Pointless acts? I'm not quoting ANY acts Bob, YOU were the one who brought that up, I mentioned ROAD VEHICLE LIGHTING REGULATIONS, and the only quotes are from my contact at DfT, the expert on these matters, an actual "Lighting Engineer". I DID mention that I had not gone out and bought the regs.. You obviously only read half my post............oh, sorry, you already said that
Stupid? That implies I don't listen to others or read what they say...........oh sorry, that's you again eh? Nowt better to do? What, like YOU have, so much that you keep on replying to a so-called troll? Sad, or what?
No mate, IF I was in Halfrauds I'd most probably be telling people to shop elsewhere for better prices
Alcazar
I'm not the one that is on the phone speaking to Dft, about something that isn't even applicable.
I have an interest to protect the company and if that means replying to your misinformed, continual, pointless posts, then I will.
Yes, I believe that everyone is aware that the kits are intended for off road use before they purchase.
I sincerely hope so.
04 July 2008, 06:50 PM
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Maybe becuase most people dont give a stuff...........If I bought a HID kit to put within the original structure the only thing I'd really care about is that I wasnt dazzling other road users.... who gives a monkeys about dft and MOT time...... I drive a car with no Cats at all and have no issue with MOT's.. would be the same for me with lights......... THEN AGAIN SOME PEOPLE ARE SO ******* **** THAT THEY WANT TO LISTEN TO THE SMALL PRINT, FOR ***** SAKE..............
As a totally impartial and amused observer I'm with Bob on this one........... Plus I love one of the youtube clips
As a totally impartial and amused observer I'm with Bob on this one........... Plus I love one of the youtube clips
04 July 2008, 10:27 PM
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Maybe becuase most people dont give a stuff...........If I bought a HID kit to put within the original structure the only thing I'd really care about is that I wasnt dazzling other road users.... who gives a monkeys about dft and MOT time...... I drive a car with no Cats at all and have no issue with MOT's.. would be the same for me with lights......... THEN AGAIN SOME PEOPLE ARE SO ******* **** THAT THEY WANT TO LISTEN TO THE SMALL PRINT, FOR ***** SAKE..............
And so should others........know, that is, so THEY too can make the INFORMED decision, and as I've said elsewhere, ad infinitum, I DON'T CARE IF THEY BUY OR NOT
Alcazar
