AllanB

Some right crap here. Face the facts if you have an empire and take advantage of a huge chunk of the population then you have to expect some come back.

I do actually agree that people that don't contribute to society have no place but the especially should apply to the poor white trash that ruin our country. Get rid of them and get more people from overseas who can do a better job.

As to them having to conform to our was I prefer them not to. OK speak the lingo but don't change who you are.


AllanB

Suresh

I stand corrected of course.
My point is that the school is set up with the focus upon something that sets the people apart from the indigenous population. That coupled with the fact that most of the students are likely to be 'darkies' doesn't really help with perceived integration. The theory being that integration or the perception therefore acts as a damper upon negative discrimination.

Lets face it this isn't really being seen as a 'good news' story is it?


BTW, I went to a CoE school. It didn't affect me, one way or the other, as I am immune to religious mumbo-jumbo if all types.

zip106

If most of you who have posted here had been to a Faith school, then your bloody grammar and spelling would quite possibly have been a lot better.

(with the exception of Suresh )

kingofturds

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Ironic?

zip106

Quite possibly.

Suresh

[wobbles head] I am not being just a pretty face [/wobbles head]

dee052

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Its not suprising the b.n.p. are doing better each year, I'm all for people earning an honest wage and paying taxes, but something needs doing about the p**s takers, including the white 'Jeremy Kyle' show stars. It would be interesting to find out who would not argue with being conscripted to fight for our country if world war 3 kicked off. I feel that if your not willing to fight for this country then you shouldn't be here.

jods

LMAO

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"Lovely Boy"
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PeteBrant

Except they aren't. Take the recent local elections for example.

What does any of this have to do with opening a Hindu school?

Luan Pra bang

Do some people not realize that it is perfectly possible to have been born in the UK as a hindu/jew/muslim/Krishna and be just as much a British citizen as a shaven headed sun reading BNP supporting idiot. Having family from Asia does not somehow make you any less British than anyone else.
Neither of my parents were born in the UK, I was, does that mean I am not realy British in the eyes of apples24 ?

CrisPDuk

Unfortunately Luan it would appear that it does

Which, given that the vast majority of England's population are the decendants of French immigrants, is rather ironic

Personally I think independent Faith oriented schools are a good idea: thumb:
The average comprehensive obviously can't accomodate (nor should it try) the varied religious needs of all of the pupils attending, therefore parents should have the right, and facility, to have their children educated in accordance with the rules of their faith, should they so desire.

I do object however to those schools being fully funded by the state IMO a large portion of the funding should come from the religious organisation concerned.

PeteBrant

Why? Do religious people not pay taxes too?

Faith based school are a minority, as they should be in a largely secular society, but there does need to be state provision.

c_maguire

Seems to me we are where we are, and my personal feelings on immigration policy past and present won't change that. With that in mind then I would rather Hindu children here get the best education possible as then they are more likely to be a positive influence in society than those with a poor education. Faith schools invariably result in improved academic results, whereas having multi-lingual pupils in mainstream schools only serves to slow the learning process for everybody.
My only caveat would be that such faith schools should operate under the same financial rules as 'normal' schools, as extra taxpayer funding is discriminatory and fuels an inter-racial resentment that in this case is perfectly understandable.
Kevin

apples24

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you have missed my point completely, if your part of the country, earn live spend and do good for the country then fantastic, i only have a problem with ppl who come over here expect rights, try to change everything and everyone to there ways, moan when they havent got something etc.

Luan Pra bang

Who are these people exactly ? Chavs ? Council estate dole scroungers ? 13 year old white trash single parents ? or do you exclusively mean 'pakis' ?
I would love to see your example of people trying to change everyone to 'there' ways and I am sure many immigrants have a better grasp of english than you. I do think expecting some basic human rights is taking the **** though. Bloody immigrants.

pwhittle

Too true, coming over here, with their impressive grasp of spelling and grammar...

shaunywrx

I thought they still did that in Cornwall.

EddScott

Well put.

On a complete aside, a mate got married to a Muslim girl a few weeks ago. He recently converted to Islam and it turned out to be one of the most civilised and enjoyable wedding I've ever been to.

mamoon2

Erm, well it does really doesn't it If i moved to, for example, Russia and had a child over there, would it be Russian? er, no it would be British.

If a dogs born in a barn, does that make it a horse?

PeteBrant

No. The child would have dual nationality in all likelyhood. Russian/British. Or if not, then solely Russian. It would not be British.

Your nationality is not defined by your parents nationality if you are born in a different country -You can take on Dual nationality on that basis.

I presume you consider Prince Charles as being British, yes? Despite him having a Greek Father?

EddScott

Geezer

On that basis, we're all African.............

How many generations do you have to have behind you then to make you that nationality?

Born here, British, simple as. They may culturally be more like their parents nationality of origin, but they are still British.

I would say the white trash population of the UK is far more of a problem than the Muslims, Hindus, etc. who are generally good people, but as usual, the few ruin it for the many.

Geezer

mal_howarth

I think the original message was more along the lines of a precedent being set.... a school purely for one race paid for by the UK tax payers remember in the old days the Catholic schools were paid for and built by Catholics does this now mean that Muslims,Jews etc can have purpose built schools paid for by the tax payer if not I can see a whole load of whinging heading our way

Geezer

Hindus, Muslims, Jews, etc, are not a race, they are bleedin faiths!

The school I went to was a govt funded shcool, but it was was Christianity they taught, I'm sure that pleased the Muslims who were there no end........

Geezer

PeteBrant

No it isn't.

This is not about race

In the old days meaning, like, hundreds of years ago? Catholic schools have been part state funded for at least 100 years.

c_maguire

In this case though, surely you can see why people will invariably make a link between faith and race. Christianity has been adopted by all manner of countries of various colours, but you won't find many 'whites' that are of Hindu or Muslim faith. Hence why Catholic faith schools will never initiate the same level of resentment from an indigenous white population whatever their funding status as non-ethnic (virtually guaranteed non-white) schools.
Kevin

mal_howarth

Well unless my Grandparents are 100's of years old which they are not they remember paying as much as they could afford for a ''Brick'' which the schools were built from and you state it yourself 'part state funded' not whole state funded, the RACE bit was my mistake it should have been faith having said that I should have known better than to take on the ''GREAT PETEBRANT'' who's opinions are everyones (and never wrong).

PeteBrant

Yes, I can see why people would make the link. But I think that it is disingenuos to do so. This is a faith based school, it is not a "indians only" school. The fact that there are not many (read: hardly any) white Hindu people is secondary .. IMHO.
I also think it is wrong to "resent" there being a part state funded Hindu School

Plus, the school is making 25% of its places available to non-hindu children. It will have a full capacity of 240. It will teach according to the national curriculum (although obviously Hindi teachings will be prominent)

Taking the area itself, the school is in Harrow, North west London (not Edgeware as reported in the Yahoo link), now I know quite a bit about that area, because it's my home town, and I am there every other weekend. There are around 40,000 hindus in the area and they make up 20% of the population. A pretty large tax revenue per year I would say.

I don't think that one school, for 240 kids, for a population of 40,000, is disproportionately high.

We have Christian, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim & Sikh (and 2 private Hindu) schools in this country, and thier numbers are widely respective of relative population numbers.

Of course whether there should be state funding of faith based schools at all is another matter entirely. But while it does exist, I don't think you can say "well this mainstream faith can have them, but this one can't"

The Hindu school in question is part state funded, part private donations.

DCI Gene Hunt

and I'm hearing NO sexist complaints about all girls schools.... for say 18 year old filly's

Maz

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St. Trinians here I come!