A BMW is a car not a lifestyle.

You cannot give a person stereotypical characterisations simply because of what he drives.

 

Great to hear an impartial view!

You know what a good car is by the looks of it, I guess you took your decision taking all the factors in, ie cost/range and performance.

 

What kind of glue are you on?

 

Having owned a BMW M3 before I got my scoob I can see the appeal for beemers,well made,nice interior,great engine........but.......extremely boring to drive,no sense of drama or an involving drive! And everybody thinks your a tosser.......or an estate agent
I didnt even want a scooby but when I took it out it did and still does put a big smile on my face,its personal taste and I raced a 335d in it and got my arsed kicked.
Andy

 

Most have been the modded one I raced too.

 

 

Give it a rest Once the M3 goes above 5k revs it will be blitzing your diesel. There is no way that you can have left him for dead ...

TX.

 

Went out in a press car the other day. With around 500ib ft of torque it's a bloody quick car.

 

To be fair, I should have mentioned that I have fitted a set of BMW M Sport logo'd dust caps, but I don't think they're worth much more than 20-30bhp ?

 

Mark the M sport caps should add 35bhp

 

Damn, they did give me an unfair advantage then

 

Here's the stats for the M3. If someone can find the 335d?

Year Introduced 2001
Kerb Weight 1577kg
Engine Type Straight 6
Valves 24 valve
Cylinders 6 cylinder
Aspiration Naturally Aspirated
Displacement 3246 cc
Drive RWD
Transmission 6 speed Manual
Engine Location Front Mounted
BHP 343 @ 7900rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 269 @ 4900rpm
BHP/Ton 221
0-60mph 4.8s
0-100mph 11.5s
60-100mph 6.7s
1/4 Mile 13.4s
Terminal Speed 107mph
Kilometre 23.7s
Top Speed (mph) 160

TX.

 

Here's the 335i (not diesel):

Year Introduced 2006
Kerb Weight 1525kg
Engine Type Straight 6
Valves 24 valve
Cylinders 6 cylinder
Aspiration Turbocharged
Displacement 2979 cc
Drive RWD
Transmission 6 speed Manual
Engine Location Front Mounted
BHP 302 @ 5800rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 295 @ 1300rpm
BHP/Ton 201
0-60mph 5.5s
0-100mph 13.6s
60-100mph 8.1s
1/4 Mile 13.78s
Terminal Speed 102mph
Kilometre N/A
Top Speed (mph) 155

TX.

 

BMW 335d (E90) 07 282 1615 177.42 6.08 14.96 8.88 14.40 98.08 14.30 99.19

 

BTW here's an estimate for my car

4WD - 375bhp & 1350kg
Power to Weight: 282 bhp/ton
0-60: 3.9
0-100: 10.0
60-100: 6.1
1/4 Mile ET: 12.38
1/4 Mile Terminal: 113
Dragstrip 1/4 Mile ET: 12.03
Dragstrip 1/4 Mile Terminal: 116

TX.

 

I feel dirty, i've just checked the Pistonheads classifieds for a 335d and 123d

 

So you should Gaz

Take my word for it, anything with 400ft lbs of torque (assuming it doesn't weight 5 tonnes) is going to shift at motorway speeds and cause a lot of red faces. 0-60 dashes are all well and good, but it's an irrelevant indication of how the car will perform in more everyday scenarios. In gear acceleration and (if you're interested in motorway clout) 60-100 times are more telling.

Impressive as some diesels are; it's just not the same as a decent petrol engine, they run out of puff to soon and just don't have much in the way of character - oddly, considering the very impressive performance that some can now deliver, they just aren't exciting! Get in a lower powered petrol car and you'll most likely enjoy it more - there is something more visceral about the sound and the noise and the power delivery.

Ns04

 

Must be reeeeeaaaaaaal good stuff!

 

I dont get all of this 0-60 / 0-100 doesn't matter guff, 50-70 motorway speeds are where it matters??? .

Once you're upto speed in most scoobies cases not very long then it's just a case of cruising along at your chosen speed. 0-60 or 0-100 give a good indication of general acceleration, if I'm overtaking a tractor "common round these parts" then I'll be going from 20-30ish to 60+ + + so 50-70 isn't of much interest when they start doing 20-100 let me know. Also I'm pretty dam sure if I dropped down a cog 40-70 would take exactly no fking time at all.

Also with regards tourqe (and cleverer people will correct me) and to use the BMs above as an example the tourqe comes in at the start of the rev range on the 335i where as the M3 much later on with the revs higher hence it's higher bhp .... tourqe x revs etc etc etc therefor that's the reason for the M3 superior performance??

 

The reason the 0-60 is less relevant than other measures is that to get the best out of the car in this benchmark, you need to be brutal with it! You just can't replicate road test 0-60 conditions regularly, or you'd trash the car.

When you think about it, you don't actually go from 0-60 that much, standing start from lights on a NSL dual carriageway perhaps. What matters, is how well the car goes from 20mph, between 30-70 etc.. that's what you do doing point to point driving and when adapting to different speed limits etc.. On the motorway and A roads what you want is a car that can do 60-100 quickly, so that overtaking at higher speeds can be done quickly with minimal TED

The best performance measures give you in gear acceleration times in all gears (see EVO mag for example)! That gives you the best indication of a car's real world speed.

Also, it's fairly easy to make even a modestly powerful front driver get to 60 reasonably quickly. However, what distinguishes the properly fast cars from those that do the 0-60 sprint well is how well they go beyond that. A properly fast car should be able to do 60-100 in the time in takes a quick car to do 0-60. Often, the gains from increasing the bhp and torque of a car that is capable of doing a circa 6 second sprint to 60 are significantly lower at sub sixty than above it.

Let me give you an example. Many would say that a Classic Scooby, even std. is a pretty quick car, right? It will do mid/late fives to 60 comfortably. However, when you look at the 60-100 times, things are less rosy at 10.28 seconds! In a new age, it's even worse at 11.33

Anyone still wonder why "A diesel kept up with my scooby, how?" threads are common?

My classic now has 340bhp and torque (same gearing), lets look at the effect it's had on the above increments. It's projected 0-60 is 3.8 seconds, so if I'm absolutely brutal with it, I've saved just under 2 secs. The 60-100 figure, however, has fallen to 6.1 seconds, a whopping 4 second reduction, more than double the magnitude of improvement to the 0-60! To put that in perspective, it is quicker in this increment that a Bentley continental GT, a car that was made for effortless motorway bashing!

The difference is, I can reproduce the latter figure time after time, without breaking the car! Realistically, add a second or so to any claimed 0-60 time if you don't want to part company with your transmission.

Ns04

 

Good point well put.

 

The BEST............... because my REALITY, is the same whether I'm on it, or not

You should try some, it will clear your mind

 

I have a chum who has one and says it is faster than the wind He tinkers with 911s once rolling and doesnt bother racing scoobies anymore...
I would be quite happy with a 330d and intend to make it my next purchase

 

BTW 60-100 time for a 335d is 8.8 seconds.

280bhp in a classic gets you a 7.4 60-100 and 7.9 in a new age.

Impressive performance from the Beemer, no doubt about it!

Do I want one....nope, not even slightly!

But then again, my classic is quite a bit quicker!

Ns04

 

Taken from a BMW forum:

Just had a read thru' this months BMW car magazine,they've got full test drive of a DMS 335d

338 BHP
510 lb of touque
0-60 5.5 secs
0-100 12.7 secs

So a souped up one isn't as quick to 100mph as a standard M3 (see above) ... they'll not be leaving the M3 for dead then

TX.

 

0-100 is a good indicator of comparible speed was my point it doesn't matter that you can't replicate it, or wouldn't want to without killing components . Add a second to any speed 2 if you like it still is a usefull indicator of performance hence why it's still used (0-60 that is)

I agree 60-100 is a usefull measure as well but I haven't seen that used.

 

I'd argue that it is critical that it is replicable, otherwise the performance is purely theoretical Performance is no good if you can't use it!

Ns04

 

Terminator,

I just told you what actually happened, and I know the guy was trying

I guess I'll just have to accept that on paper, the 335d isn't as quick, and learn to live with the figures

Or I'll just have to look out for people such as martwrxsl, & chieftain333 to play with


But I can see if I want to play with you, I'd better bring the Subaru


Mark.

 

an amazing engine the 335d sure, but FFS get a grip, "in-gear" times, or "real world" driving or "once rolling", the 335d is an automatic so will select to optimum gear-ratio during foot mashing time, anything it is "tested" against also must use it's gearbox to match the given engine speed at that given moment,

as for the 335d beating 911's "once rolling" (sighs), behave yourself, there is no way a 335d will better a 911 (996 or 997 turbo right?) if both cars are driven optimally.

a lot of "in-gear-rolling-start-real-world" tests, test the driver, not the car, huge torque flatters hugely, high bhp takes work to get it right.

 

LP.

No worries fella

The 335d is of course a great car & if I wanted the best / fastest diesel around then I guess it's right up there. At the moment IMHO petrol edges diesel performance although in a year or two us petrol heads may give way to diesel heads R8 diesel anyone?

TX.