mart360

Seems us owners of slightly older cars (pre 2001) are going to watch there second /third /fourth hand residuals increase.
nice touch from new labia, encourage you to buy a green car and then screw you for the pleasure.


watch electric cars & lpg to start getting right royally rodgered now people are shifting away.


me, i,m seriously considering a biodiesel still

2,500 litres a year (if i recall) no duty

the cost can be low-ish if you go halvys with a friend


i,ll stick to my particulate filtered soot burner (my97)


Mart

ScoobyDoo555

If you read the article, it does affect ALL cars, no matter what age.
But there is a cutoff point at which the levy does change.

Pre-March 2001 (bascially), will go up to £200 per year increments of £185 on 2008 & 2009. Then the full £200 in 2010.
Post March 2001 will go up dramatically more, between £300/yr to £445/yr over a period of 2 years.

The Parkers guide will help you out.

The crux of the matter is that if you own a Ferrari 355, you will pay LESS car tax than someone owning a Ford Focus

Now that IS fubar'd.

Dan

jjones

time for a revolution

Shark Man

Aye ; band G was a bit of a shock when I went to the post office The charging scales of the system was (is) too confusing:

One set of charges pre 2001, another for 2001 to 2006 and ANOTHER set 2006 onwards. It was a barmy, idiotic system. Which needed simplifying.....

Trust the government to simplify it towards the most expensive bands - presumably for "environmental reasons" whilst a pre 2001 car carries on relatively untouched in taxation increase

(I say, whilst owning a 1969 Landrover, no cats, no EFI, old V8 and free to tax ...CO2? probably not that much as it produces alot more CO and HC instead!! - real pollution! )

David Lock

Any chemists here?

What happens to CO when it enters the atmosphere? Is it just added to the general mix of what we call air or is it light and float upwards or what? Does it eventually combine with Oxygen and turn into CO2? Always wondered. dl

GC8WRX

Just an idea, but would it have been better to tax engine size rather than emissions?

That way families in 1.8 mondeos are not hammered, but people in range 4.6's, big mercs with 5 ltr v8's, and generally top end cars will pay a bit more, in my view thats not a bad way to do it, but id rather things were as they were 12 months ago. At least people knew where they stood!

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

People breath in oxygen & breath out carbon dioxide don't we? Plants then turn CO2 into oxygen? It's obvious then ... a tax on CO2 that people breath out. Fatter people must be taxed higher than thinner people; children can be taxed on a rising scale, lowish as babies then rising all the way through to adulthood; large people more than small people, oh to be a midget

TX.

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

It was like that for a while with company cars years ago wasn't it? Seemed pretty fair at the time - little cars = little tax & vice versa.

Eventually of course we'll all have a car reg'd after 2001, at which point their masterplan is complete

TX.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Eventually (that means shortly) they will just change the rules again to take even the older cars. In time all cars will pay tax, and all cars regardless of age will be taxed according to new bands.

They will take a view at some point that there are not enough people owning older cars for them to care about. Then they just hike up the tax, knowing that the voters owning these cars are in the minority and cannot vote them out. Bot to mention that the owners of the newer cars who have been paying higher taxes for years will be happy that other people pay more.

People are selfish, they love to see other people pay when they don't. That is how they get so many of these stealth taxes through. When stuff affects others they don't protest, these people fail to realise it will be there time soon enough.

SJ_Skyline

Bend over, it's budget time

zs_phil

iTrader: (1)

whens the next election so we can get these 's

OUT ill be voting for that cameron next time

sulli

The big hike is on cars over 226 g/km and is only for post 2006 vehicles. All cars older than that have minimal increases (£5). So unless you have a car 2006 on, you'll only pay £5 more. Presumabley those with new cars knew the issue with emissions and were happy to take the risk. So I don't think this post is particularly accurate.
Discuss.

Petem95

This is how it looks to me as well - don't get me wrong I'm against any increases as road tax doesn't go towards roads like it should - but the tax on my 2.0 TDi Audi will only increase 5quid a year and then remain at the same rate for the next 2 years so it could be worse.

As mentioned, it's the bigger engined stuff that really gets hit - but generally (at least when the cars are fairly new), the owners can easily absorb the extra cost.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I have a friend with a golf, not 100% on the exact year, but it's much older than a 2006, she was saying her tax is going to be knocking on £100 more than she pays now.

sulli

I think she may be incorrect.
See the government site here:Budget 2008: 02
Like I said, pre-2006 only £5+ on most.
There was another post on here where some guy did a petition to the prime minister, again I think he got the facts wrong - either people jumping to conclusions or scaremongering to moan about tax and the government.

hoskib

iTrader: (1)

but this isn't right is it? i'll be honest i keep hearing the odd ray of hope that as a 2005 driver i don't get clobbered for the £440, but according to this Road tax - Parker's i will as from 2009

i really hope i've got it wrong, but it doesn't look like it

sulli

Take a look at the online tax disc service here: The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licences : Directgov - Motoring


Seems pretty clear, from my reading of that, that only cars registered after 23/03/06, with +225 g/km, have a significant rise to £400. Cars pre that date pay a maximum of £210 for 12 months, which is what many of us will be paying now anyway.

I think Parker may just have got it wrong.

scoobyboy

when you read the site it says for tax discs taken out from march 13th 2008 so thats as it is now, it won't display the new tax disc rates until next year which will then be the same as parkers

sulli

So that's the tax rates post-budget. Where does it say they will increase again next year, and the exemption for pre 2006 cars will go? I would have thought the site would state that if it was decided at the budget.

scoobyboy

it won't until march next year then it will display the new ved bands and the current rates which will be the more expensive ones

Eddie1980

As a motorist I am now tired of being raped repeatedly at all angles.

Does anyone have a spare pitchfork, its nigh on revolution time.

sulli

So where does it say that 2001+ cars will be subject to this? I can't find that anywhere following the budget. I emailed direct.gov to ask them, so will feedback if I get a response.

P1Fanatic

Your insane logic would mean that at 45p extra a litre (based on current price of 1.05ish) - after just 500miles you will have paid an extra £225. If youd rather that than paying the £200 road tax as a one off then you need your head read. With your method everyone gets *** raped unless they do sub-500 miles are year - which would really defeat the object of owning a car so lets just ban them

Simon

logiclee

I suggest you google again.

Currently all post 2001 vehicles are grouped A-G with pre 23/03/06 cars being exempt from group G.

This system is replaced in 2009 with a new A-M grouping for all cars post 2001.

The reason it does not mention about exemptions due to dates is because there isn't any.

The A-M groupings apply to all cars post 2001.

Cheers.
Lee

scoobyboy

it won't until next year

mmuuzzyy

NICE ONE... ITS 'ONLY'TAKEN MOST PEOPLE A MONTH AND A HALF TO REALISE THE TRUE IMPLICATIONS OF THE BUDGET on car tax

now its all over the media everyone kicking off about it .