oldsplice

He's too busy mincing about posing and dyeing his hair to spend any time in the kitchen.

David_Dickson

I visit a farm where they do the "stuffing" of the ducks. Its not as barbaric as you might think. The ducks are free to roam within their fields, and happily flock into the shed to await their next feeding. The farmer holds the head up, sticks the stainless steel tube down the gullet and a load of grain is fed in. Its over in seconds and doesnt seem to bother the ducks at all.

Yes, you do see things on telly about intensive farming of the ducks, where they are kept in tiny cages and not allowed to move between feeding, but naturally, you only ever hear about the worst on telly, and rarely get to see other methods. This is no different to intensive farming of any other animal for food.

Leslie

So by the same token, you would welcome it being done to you then!

The point made earlier about the way cheap chickens are produced is a good one, that should not be done either.

Intensive farming is generally cruel and unfair to the the animals.

Les

Diesel

Totally agree.

Very uncivilised, selfish and cruel behaviour. On your own consicience be your palate. D

Trucker Ted

Totally agree Les , force feeding is just barbaric ,end of story.We have a duty to make sure any animal we eat has a good standard of life and is humanely slaughtered with as little distress to the animal as possible.

Check out this vid narrated by Roger Moore and decide if force feeding is acceptable.
YouTube - Foie Gras Investigation

David_Dickson

Like I said, these videos always show the worst of any production method, there are plenty of producers who dont cage the animals, let them roam freely and take an active interest in the wellbeing of their animals.

Its just the same for EVERY meat you eat. some examples are produced by horrific methods and some arent, chances are you have no idea which you are hetting when you buy the meat, and as recently pointed out by all these programs not long ago about chickens, the majority of the public dont give a rats *** so long as its cheap.

WRX_Dazza

Tucked into this last night with a nice Sauterne

quality stuff, but do disagree with the process.

will make that my last taster!!!!

(it was ****ing lush though)

Diesel

Sorry mate - think you are well out of touch here. Just try buying a free range chicken in Tesco now - almost always sold out over here, as people do care. You are also on a hiding to nothing trying to justify forced feeding - your word 'welbeing' is long out the window in this game.

With the exception of my favourite Indian takeaways (which I assume use the mass produced 'sat down chicken' meat) I know where my food comes from and have a pretty good idea how it was raised.

It's pretty simple really - just select British produce (we dont permit incarcerating pigs for life in a steel cage about the same size as it, and we use humane slaughtering methods). Buy local produce (less travel) and go for free range/outdoor reared (I think lamb & beef always is).

Clear consicience food tastes better (but the incredible shrinking Danish 'prison' bacon with white goo is still prob cheaper).

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David_Dickson

If the supermarkets are sold out of free range products, surely thats because free reange production is a tiny minority compared to the factory production?

Im not justifying force feeding, im simply saying, its not always as horrific as these sorts of videos portray.

In an ideal world, yes everyone would eat local produce and would be healthier for it, but its just not economically feasable for many families, and the majority of the population simply dont care enough to bother. Danish bacon is much cheaper and much easier to get hold of than decent bacon from a butchers, Processed "ham" is much cheaper than decent sliced ham, a factory chicken costs significantly less than a free range one, and for Johnny Normal whos idea of High Cuisine is a Findus microwave lasagne, thats what they are interested in, not what the animal went through before it was killed.

Adidas

Don't worry Phil, Gail will never let you eat it

Nate

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I have given up eating all the 'cheaper' chicken, KFC is completely out the window for me now, and their takings are most probably down , I do not agree with the lack of quality of life the animals receive.

There are not many meats that I do eat, but Chicken is one.

David, when Hugh was doing his 'Chicken-out' campaign, why didn't ANY of the Intensive Chicken farmers want to take part ..... If they weren't hiding anything, why didn't they take part ?

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Nate,

What about Subway chicken??

SirFozzalot

Diesel

There's forced feeding and forced feeding David? Hmmm?!

I accept the economic argument, but the tide is turning for many and farmers are actually putting doors on chicken concentration camps now and so get the walkabouty type Chicken to Tesco (and satisfy customer demand)

No economic argument for buying foreign low welfare food though - Wiltshire bacon is similar cost to Copenhagen gunk...

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Daryl

I eat fresh foie gras because it's the best tasting thing I've ever eaten - so I think your argument is flawed!

As far as making it into pate, you can buy Faux Gras pate in Waitrose these days, supposed to be like the real thing - I'll let you know soon, as I've got some sitting in the fridge.

However, I do buy free range meat where possible, so I am generally in agreement with what you're saying.

Diesel

My flaw was assuming conscience maybe But you clearly have one, somewhere D

Nate

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Veggie Delight with extra Cheese for me mister, no chicken

Chip

Processed muck.

Chip

little-ginge

I used to love chicken, but after watching HFW and his chicken show, I am defiantely going off meat.

I will only eat chicken if it was free range reared - even if that means having to go without my indian takeaway or having just plain chow mein from the Chinese...

As for eating any sort of liver.... eugh! i couldn't think of anything worse

Tesco is always sold out of FR chicken, but I prefer Waitrose or M&S meat anyway..

daddyscoob

I've tried it and I would agree it's a very very nice flavour as for cruelty I can't really find it in myself to feel sorry for a goose - sorry to all animal lovers but just speaking my mind...... that's what this thread has become ???

little-ginge

On the subject of 'just a chicken..' etc, did anyone else see the story of a couple who keep chickens.. one of them had a cancerous leg so they had it removed - now the other leg also has cancer, so they are paying £1000 in an attempt to save it's life..

Ok it's their money, but 1k on a chicken??!!

Diesel

Ok - what can we force feed and abuse next mate? Something a bit furrier and cuddlier so as you have half a chance to feel sorry for it?

Dunno really is it just me who's a big softie or shouldnt most right minded people have a bit of compassion and avoid being cruel or causing suffering if they can? And I do speak as a dedicated carnivore!

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daddyscoob

I know where you're coming from but I'm just not an animal lover type...... Wife wants a dog cos our 5yr old would like one but sorry no way would I want an animal around the house...... I know others feel differently. But we are in a country where we are supposed to be allowed our own opinions. Please note I'm not against animals as pets and I know many people get a lot from their pets but it's just not for me.
And if something tastes good then I'm ok with that... each to their own

magepaster

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Of course it's "always" horrific. Any farming method that forces animals to deviate from their natural habits solely to alter it's growth paterns for human consumtion is horrific and morally wrong.

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Diesel

I'm not sure if you are hinting you might eat the dog there mate LOL

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dpb

It better taste fookin awesome

Leslie

Yes but do you think that all those wrongs that you mention make it right to do that sort of thing to animals and that it therefore is right in your book to ignore it?

I am certainly not vegetarian or vegan whatever, but nevertheless still think it is morally wrong to ill treat animals for the sake of convenience or profit.

Les