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26 January 2002, 08:29 AM
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OI, Evil, who you calling an Old Man!
It's just that I am used to driving a car with a power band that covers 5,000rpm - so I never need to think about it
Trout
PS - OH NOOOOOOOOOOO! Who's that?! lol!
[Edited by Trout - 1/26/2002 8:31:05 AM]
It's just that I am used to driving a car with a power band that covers 5,000rpm - so I never need to think about it
Trout
PS - OH NOOOOOOOOOOO! Who's that?! lol!
[Edited by Trout - 1/26/2002 8:31:05 AM]
26 January 2002, 08:40 AM
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Scott, Having leda done on Tuesday will let you know how it goes!! I've got the day off, so I'll be able to cover a fair bit of mileage! Will post & let you know!!
I can even take pictures!!
I can even take pictures!!
26 January 2002, 08:48 AM
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There's a lot more to the STI suspension than "inverted struts".. Oh and the STI ones ain't inverted 
. Well not the ones i saw
The Front lower control arms are changed to aluminium jobbies, the front and rear sway bars are changed as are all bushings and mountings..
How do I know this you ask.. Already done changes on a both a white and a silver FUGLY cars
To be honest the silver car wasn't a full STI swap but just the struts and springs..
Mind you the MRT exhaust system we fitted to the silver job is the DAWGS DANGLIES.. The ultimate Scooby system Oh yeah and when I get back to Aussie.. the blue car is defo having one
Richard
[Edited by rsquire - 1/26/2002 8:50:47 AM]
Isn't the sport suspension package the inverted STI struts? Talk to your dealer mate.
. Well not the ones i saw The Front lower control arms are changed to aluminium jobbies, the front and rear sway bars are changed as are all bushings and mountings..
How do I know this you ask..
Already done changes on a both a white and a silver FUGLY cars To be honest the silver car wasn't a full STI swap but just the struts and springs..
Mind you the MRT exhaust system we fitted to the silver job is the DAWGS DANGLIES.. The ultimate Scooby system
Oh yeah and when I get back to Aussie.. the blue car is defo having one Richard
[Edited by rsquire - 1/26/2002 8:50:47 AM]
26 January 2002, 10:48 AM
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According to the official Subaru press-release, the struts are inverted and this is present on all Euro STi's including the Type UK. I'm not aware of any sports package apart from the Prodrive mods which appear to be entirely cosmetic (larger rear spoiler, deeper front spoiler and some minor interior mods - not much for £2000 IMHO).
Whilst I agree that on paper, its power to weight ratio is not very impressive and it may have similar performance to MY01 PPP. I think that this misses the main point. The STi is relatively detuned and it will easy to extract considerably more than the standard 261 bhp if that's what you want. The fact that the engine is designed to rev to 8000 rpm due the lighter valves, etc means that performance enhancements can be done safely. Increasing a MY01 PPP to 280 bhp or higher may be more difficult (and expensive) and may over-stretch its reliability.
D.
[Edited by DJB - 1/26/2002 10:49:21 AM]
Whilst I agree that on paper, its power to weight ratio is not very impressive and it may have similar performance to MY01 PPP. I think that this misses the main point. The STi is relatively detuned and it will easy to extract considerably more than the standard 261 bhp if that's what you want. The fact that the engine is designed to rev to 8000 rpm due the lighter valves, etc means that performance enhancements can be done safely. Increasing a MY01 PPP to 280 bhp or higher may be more difficult (and expensive) and may over-stretch its reliability.
D.
[Edited by DJB - 1/26/2002 10:49:21 AM]
26 January 2002, 12:50 PM
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What will be worth more come re-sale:
MY01 WRX with £6K worth mods?
STi7 UK with £1k decat exhaust?
Which will be more desirable?
Which one has 80% new internals?
I expect the STi will be lower to insure than a mod'd MY01 as well.
Start with the best and tweek, not the base model and rebuild....
F
PS I've gone and done it, a mildly contraversial post, oh dear. I'm gonna get flamed by all those who couldn't wait for the STi and bought a WRX and now there going to trade up and lose loads.
MY01 WRX with £6K worth mods?
STi7 UK with £1k decat exhaust?
Which will be more desirable?
Which one has 80% new internals?
I expect the STi will be lower to insure than a mod'd MY01 as well.
Start with the best and tweek, not the base model and rebuild....
F
PS I've gone and done it, a mildly contraversial post, oh dear. I'm gonna get flamed by all those who couldn't wait for the STi and bought a WRX and now there going to trade up and lose loads.
26 January 2002, 01:54 PM
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Remember though that the MY01 engine is about 80% new over the MY00<, and has a bigger intercooler as standard (roughly equivalent to an STI6/P1).
I will stick my neck out and say that I believe an '01 WRX engine will give a reliable near 300bhp with no other mechanical changes other than a full decat exhaust and a Link.....(Bob, if it turns out subsequently that I am talking bo££ocks, I apologise now).
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Having gone the std WRX + mods route, I entirely agree with you on the cost issue.
HOWEVER, my WRX is on better suspension, 18's etc, and if a Link was fitted I would expect it to out perform an STI7 - in a straight line, cornering, and braking. You would have to throw probably £5000 at an STI7 to gete it there - decat exhaust, 18's and ECU.....and then you are looking at £32k.
This isn't a "my Impreza is better than yours" post, but really to say that a modded '01 WRX can't really be compared to an STI7 or vice versa - at the end of the day I like mine, and in my particular circumstances I think a standard STI7 would be an inferior car - believe me, I have thought about doing the swop a few hundred times LOL.
[Edited by Dave T-S - 1/26/2002 2:28:06 PM]
Remember though that the MY01 engine is about 80% new over the MY00<, and has a bigger intercooler as standard (roughly equivalent to an STI6/P1).
I will stick my neck out and say that I believe an '01 WRX engine will give a reliable near 300bhp with no other mechanical changes other than a full decat exhaust and a Link.....(Bob, if it turns out subsequently that I am talking bo££ocks, I apologise now).
Floyd
Having gone the std WRX + mods route, I entirely agree with you on the cost issue.
HOWEVER, my WRX is on better suspension, 18's etc, and if a Link was fitted I would expect it to out perform an STI7 - in a straight line, cornering, and braking. You would have to throw probably £5000 at an STI7 to gete it there - decat exhaust, 18's and ECU.....and then you are looking at £32k.
This isn't a "my Impreza is better than yours" post, but really to say that a modded '01 WRX can't really be compared to an STI7 or vice versa - at the end of the day I like mine, and in my particular circumstances I think a standard STI7 would be an inferior car - believe me, I have thought about doing the swop a few hundred times LOL.
[Edited by Dave T-S - 1/26/2002 2:28:06 PM]
26 January 2002, 04:04 PM
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Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Had my Euro spec STI7 for a week now.
It is unbelievable, fabulous and marvelous, feel like I bought a toy RC car. I'm still running her in for 3,000km, going up to 4500rpm, light throttle, at 3500, the point when the turbo comes into play, even with afore-mentioned light throttle, the car starts pulling away like somethings pulling it.
The 6 speed box not available on the WRX, makes a huge difference to the performance and is an amazing pleasure to shift.
No tuned WRX has the front Suretrac diff, which is awesome. Tried it out ever so lightly on a damp mountain road, keep the throttle pushed in a tight corner, and the car doesn't go wide but stays true to its line.
The brakes are a marvel, they need a firm push, but they grip like mad.
I've just traded up from a Golf GTI 1.8t tuned to 200hp, I feel like I entered supercar league with the STI.
Just my two bits.
Had my Euro spec STI7 for a week now.
It is unbelievable, fabulous and marvelous, feel like I bought a toy RC car. I'm still running her in for 3,000km, going up to 4500rpm, light throttle, at 3500, the point when the turbo comes into play, even with afore-mentioned light throttle, the car starts pulling away like somethings pulling it.
The 6 speed box not available on the WRX, makes a huge difference to the performance and is an amazing pleasure to shift.
No tuned WRX has the front Suretrac diff, which is awesome. Tried it out ever so lightly on a damp mountain road, keep the throttle pushed in a tight corner, and the car doesn't go wide but stays true to its line.
The brakes are a marvel, they need a firm push, but they grip like mad.
I've just traded up from a Golf GTI 1.8t tuned to 200hp, I feel like I entered supercar league with the STI.
Just my two bits.
26 January 2002, 04:51 PM
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I agree with Boxer.I come from a 2000 GT Turbo with some mods and have had the pleasure of driving numerous Scoobs with serious mods including the 01 PPP and anyone that compares the PPP 01 to the STi7 needs to go and test drive Sti7 again.There is a world of difference in the cars.Also, the internals of the STi can handle serious power output while remaining reliable.I think we should wait to see the PPP for the STi and then make comparisons.
Personally, I don't care to compare because I love ALL Scooby's whether they are modded or not.I just think the STi is still to new to make any serious comments.
Oh,and Yes,I do Know that there will be aplenty of faster modded Scoobs.
Personally, I don't care to compare because I love ALL Scooby's whether they are modded or not.I just think the STi is still to new to make any serious comments.
Oh,and Yes,I do Know that there will be aplenty of faster modded Scoobs.
26 January 2002, 06:12 PM
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Just picked up my new UK STi traded up from MY98 Turbo.
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Agree with the comments of all that have driven one.
All round a much better car that is difficult to fault (except for the crappy drinks holder)
They even still come with a bright switch !!!
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Agree with the comments of all that have driven one.
All round a much better car that is difficult to fault (except for the crappy drinks holder)
They even still come with a bright switch !!!
26 January 2002, 06:18 PM
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As I said in the previous post, I am not knocking the STI7, merely saying that it and a modded WRX are totally different cars. They both probably achieve similar things in different ways, and each have different good and bad points
As I said in the previous post, I am not knocking the STI7, merely saying that it and a modded WRX are totally different cars. They both probably achieve similar things in different ways, and each have different good and bad points
26 January 2002, 06:42 PM
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Alex, i know where your coming from mate but it makes me feel a whole lot better My car has stood me in at over £32k 
When the STI pricing came out, to stay i felt cheated was an understatement.
Scott, just brakes and Leda to go
My car has stood me in at over £32k When the STI pricing came out, to stay i felt cheated was an understatement.Scott, just brakes and Leda to go
26 January 2002, 07:50 PM
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Collected my new UK STi7 this afternoon from Litchfield imports.
AMAZING what a difference from a MY00.
The car has had a few added extras,
1) Eibach springs
2) Heavy duty rear anti roll bar
3) Full Scoobysport exhaust inc the little black box.
The car feels so solid and corners dare I say on rails.
Already got rid of the horrid full size stereo, fitted Pioner unit with a new little box underneath to fill in the space.
Have yet to fit the Defi gauges to dark out now.
One happy chappy
Grant
AMAZING what a difference from a MY00.
The car has had a few added extras,
1) Eibach springs
2) Heavy duty rear anti roll bar
3) Full Scoobysport exhaust inc the little black box.
The car feels so solid and corners dare I say on rails.
Already got rid of the horrid full size stereo, fitted Pioner unit with a new little box underneath to fill in the space.
Have yet to fit the Defi gauges to dark out now.
One happy chappy
Grant
26 January 2002, 08:45 PM
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I am new to the forum and am deliberating over a WRX with mods v's WRX STi.
Like most drivers cost is a serious factor to me, and i was considering a new uk spec WRX for £17,800 and adding Pete Croney spec (wont list it cos you all know it by now) total approx £24k plus seats depending on the standard buckets. Insurance with this will be considerably more as someone ghas already pointed out.
Where as the STi £26 to £27.5k, depending on the model but contains a huge list of considered improvements, not including the engine. As a result of less or no mods the STi should be safer and eventually cheaper option. Resale if it ever happens easier too mees thinks.
Lets face it we mod the WRX to get something better, or we pay more up front and get something even better (well that has yet to be seen)
Sorry to go on, just so much going on in my head about this decision.
FINALY................
Has anyone actually driven the scoobysport mod'd WRX (approx 250-260) and then the STi in standard mode?
Like most drivers cost is a serious factor to me, and i was considering a new uk spec WRX for £17,800 and adding Pete Croney spec (wont list it cos you all know it by now) total approx £24k plus seats depending on the standard buckets. Insurance with this will be considerably more as someone ghas already pointed out.
Where as the STi £26 to £27.5k, depending on the model but contains a huge list of considered improvements, not including the engine. As a result of less or no mods the STi should be safer and eventually cheaper option. Resale if it ever happens easier too mees thinks.
Lets face it we mod the WRX to get something better, or we pay more up front and get something even better (well that has yet to be seen)
Sorry to go on, just so much going on in my head about this decision.
FINALY................
Has anyone actually driven the scoobysport mod'd WRX (approx 250-260) and then the STi in standard mode?
27 January 2002, 12:19 AM
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I agree with FreeT. I been giving the matter some thought over the last few weeks. I was going to do the modded WRX route, but the Euro Sti7 appears to be so good in standard form that it has to be the best option. It is more expensive to bring a WRX up to the standard of a Sti7 and then you still don't get the six speed box.
Also come resale time the mods to a WRX won't be worth much and may actually devalue the base car. Then there is the higher insurance costs of a modded WRX.
Alan
Also come resale time the mods to a WRX won't be worth much and may actually devalue the base car. Then there is the higher insurance costs of a modded WRX.
Alan
27 January 2002, 12:25 AM
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I may as well scrap my MY01 WRXPPP now then
Naaaaaaaaaaahhhh
Just kidding
Sti 7 will be on order in September but the WRX is staying put reserved for those track days
Phil
I may as well scrap my MY01 WRXPPP now then
Naaaaaaaaaaahhhh
Just kidding
Sti 7 will be on order in September but the WRX is staying put reserved for those track days
Phil
27 January 2002, 12:10 PM
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Noting again that I recognise the cars are different, and this isn't a "my modded WRX is better than an STI7" post, I would comment on two points:
Firstly, you don't NEED a six speed box on a turbocharged car with a wide torque band (particularly if you have a full decat exhaust and a replacement ECU mapped for torque, not ultimate BHP, as they should be). Having had a six speed car in the past it was more of a pain than a pleasure - why make extra gear changes when you don't need to?
I suspect it was fitted to the STI7 just because the Evo 7 has one
Secondly, a modded WRX is not necessarily more expensive to insure than an STI7. Won't bore you with the full list, but my WRX has 18's, AP 6 pots, full ScoobySport decat exhaust, FIA race seats and harnesses, big wing, Leda suspension, Link ECU declared but not fitted yet; and much more - all mods declared, value £32,000 - and I am paying £950 all in with protected NCB. Mind you, I am an old fart
The STI7 is a fine car, but I bet there won't be many people that don't succumb to 18's and a full decat exhaust, at least for starters.......
Just trying to keep the thing in perspective
[Edited by Dave T-S - 1/27/2002 12:11:49 PM]
Firstly, you don't NEED a six speed box on a turbocharged car with a wide torque band (particularly if you have a full decat exhaust and a replacement ECU mapped for torque, not ultimate BHP, as they should be). Having had a six speed car in the past it was more of a pain than a pleasure - why make extra gear changes when you don't need to?
I suspect it was fitted to the STI7 just because the Evo 7 has one
Secondly, a modded WRX is not necessarily more expensive to insure than an STI7. Won't bore you with the full list, but my WRX has 18's, AP 6 pots, full ScoobySport decat exhaust, FIA race seats and harnesses, big wing, Leda suspension, Link ECU declared but not fitted yet; and much more - all mods declared, value £32,000 - and I am paying £950 all in with protected NCB. Mind you, I am an old fart
The STI7 is a fine car, but I bet there won't be many people that don't succumb to 18's and a full decat exhaust, at least for starters.......
Just trying to keep the thing in perspective
[Edited by Dave T-S - 1/27/2002 12:11:49 PM]
27 January 2002, 12:30 PM
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Boxer - I'm out in Switzerland too , can you tell me where you bought your new STI , and what you paid for it in Swiss Francs.
If anyone else lives in Switzerland and had bought a 2002 WRX STI please advise where you bought it and the price you paid.
Many thanks
Renault5
If anyone else lives in Switzerland and had bought a 2002 WRX STI please advise where you bought it and the price you paid.
Many thanks
Renault5
27 January 2002, 03:35 PM
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Tom, I specifically intended to mention my mega reasonable insurance was done via Tom @ Schofield Ins Bkrs (0113 250 0377), then totally forgot to mention it
PS - I am looking for a reduction at renewal
Tom, I specifically intended to mention my mega reasonable insurance was done via Tom @ Schofield Ins Bkrs (0113 250 0377), then totally forgot to mention it
PS - I am looking for a reduction at renewal
27 January 2002, 03:42 PM
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DAVE.....SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....for G**'s sake....we're struggling enough at the mo...the last thing we need is you shouting ya head off...PAH!!! ;D
....discount at renewal....might manage something...
All the best
Tom
(edited to make Daves post look strange...)
[Edited by Rum* - 1/27/2002 9:18:35 PM]
....discount at renewal....might manage something...
All the best
Tom
(edited to make Daves post look strange...
)[Edited by Rum* - 1/27/2002 9:18:35 PM]
28 January 2002, 07:20 AM
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Picked up my White (Aussie) Sti 2 days ago. Wow! My previous car was a 01 WRX hatch with APS Stage 1 kit and what a difference. Power wise it is very similar but the gearbox, brakes, suspension, grip, interior of the STi are way ahead of the standard Rex. I loved the WRX but the STi is definately a huge step forward. Moving from the 5 speed to 6 speed gearbox takes a bit of getting used to but once you have it is great. You can take the slower corners in 2nd without getting bogged down like you do in 2nd in the WRX. So if you can get your hands on one, and can afford it - get one!
28 January 2002, 08:41 AM
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Good grief guys, didn't realise this thread was still around!
Hmm.. well, I hope to keep my mod'd WRX when I get an STi, but time will tell. Dave T-S is right, they are different cars, can't really compare them, the STi is 80% different engine wise alone!
Alex
Hmm.. well, I hope to keep my mod'd WRX when I get an STi, but time will tell. Dave T-S is right, they are different cars, can't really compare them, the STi is 80% different engine wise alone!
Alex
28 January 2002, 11:48 AM
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My thinking is the same as Dave T-S's
However good the new STI UK is - i dont think its worth the extra $'s for what you end up paying if you already own a WRX. The mods to my car make it as quick in the real world as the UK STI.
n.b why has no one picked up on the fact that the STI UK is at least 70+kgs heavier than the UK WRX All everyone did when the UK WRX was released was moan about the extra weight - why not now???
If you've already put Leda and Brembos on a WRX - you dont really care that the STI has better susp/brakes than the WRX. Im pretty sure a Leda'd WRX handles better than a stock STI !!
So it comes down to the age old fact - if you've got a WRX already, ignore the itch that you want the STI UK - and be happy with what you've got.......
Until they PPP the STI and make it look loads better when they re-vamp it in 2003.
Then trade your WRX in
Jza
PS Sorry Dave T-S - but 6 speed gearbox's are better than 5 - torque or no talk
However good the new STI UK is - i dont think its worth the extra $'s for what you end up paying if you already own a WRX. The mods to my car make it as quick in the real world as the UK STI.
n.b why has no one picked up on the fact that the STI UK is at least 70+kgs heavier than the UK WRX
All everyone did when the UK WRX was released was moan about the extra weight - why not now???If you've already put Leda and Brembos on a WRX - you dont really care that the STI has better susp/brakes than the WRX. Im pretty sure a Leda'd WRX handles better than a stock STI !!
So it comes down to the age old fact - if you've got a WRX already, ignore the itch that you want the STI UK - and be happy with what you've got.......
Until they PPP the STI and make it look loads better when they re-vamp it in 2003.
Then trade your WRX in
Jza
PS Sorry Dave T-S - but 6 speed gearbox's are better than 5 - torque or no talk
28 January 2002, 01:08 PM
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Agree with everything you say, except the PS. I did 30,000 miles in a GTI-6, and a six speed box is a pain. We'll have to agree to differ, and I accept I haven't driven one, but I just don't think the STI7 needs it. I'd rather spend that extra time with both hands on the steering wheel
Agree with everything you say, except the PS. I did 30,000 miles in a GTI-6, and a six speed box is a pain. We'll have to agree to differ, and I accept I haven't driven one, but I just don't think the STI7 needs it. I'd rather spend that extra time with both hands on the steering wheel
28 January 2002, 01:15 PM
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Extra 70 Kgs! Pah! it shouldn't matter because a bog std STi realised about 288BHP out of the box at a recent PE rr day. Anyway, just remove the kickplate over the ECU (re-mounting it under dashboard) will lose you that weight
Floyd
Dave TS, not having a pop at you m8 as you're happy with your motor and that's clear (and it looks pretty). I'm just going through the dilema of a new WRX or STi - if I go for the WRX then my head (pocket) will not allow me to mod it, because I should have bought the STi in the first place, see.
Floyd
Dave TS, not having a pop at you m8 as you're happy with your motor and that's clear (and it looks pretty). I'm just going through the dilema of a new WRX or STi - if I go for the WRX then my head (pocket) will not allow me to mod it, because I should have bought the STi in the first place, see.