I dont know the facts of this case, so can only deal with hypotheticals

If the thug was run over in the course of the bloke trying to escape/defend his property, the convicted man should absolutely be released. No bleeding hearts BS: the rights of the citizen minding their own business and obeying the law should always take priority over someone injured/killed comitting a crime; you live by the sword, you die by it! End of story.

If, however, the threat to the imprisoned man's property, family was over and he sought out the bloke to administer some rough justice with the car, then, depending on the injuries to the other party, a custodial sentence is appropriate. Of course, his quite understandable state of mind needs to be taken into account as migation in passing sentence, which it apparently has, but the courts cannot condone vigilante justice. The law can make exceptions for self defence, but, as much as it heartens many of us to see a scumbag get their comeupence, in the cold light of day, we can all see why it does not -and should- not make exceptions for crimes commited for revenge.

Ns " I am the law" 04

 

Oh i'm sorry, do the facts bore you? God forbid something like the truth gets in the way of livening up your day.

 

Where does this killer/murder stuff some from??

Think he was hospitalised for a few weeks.

This was a link on the original post.

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Driver admits running over graffiti vandal

A MAN ran over a vandal who wrote "Welcome to Hell" on his fence and smashed his van's window, a court heard yesterday.

Stephen Armstrong, 47, said he intended to give to give the culprit a fright after he also threatened him with a knife and baton when he confronted him about the vandalism.

But, the High Court in Glasgow was told, the electrician lost control of his van when he mounted the pavement and ran over the 22-year-old, smashing his leg and collar bone and leaving him with a punctured lung.

Armstrong, a father of eight, of Southpark Village, Glasgow, admitted assaulting his victim, who cannot be named, to the danger of his life. He will be sentenced next month.

 

David,

You probably weren't referring to my post, but just to clear up any confusion, when I used the 'live by the sword, die by it' saying, I meant it figuratively!

 

And what happened?
BBC NEWS | England | No charges after robber's death

 

Hey David, see the post above mine, should answer your question.

Read through this thread, interesting stuff...

Firstly, the guy running over a thug way later on after he apparently was threatened, yep, unfortunately I feel the sentence is just, as generally attempted murder isn't really looked upon well by the courts, no matter what the situation. Jeez, I don't go and run over people after the several occasions where I've been threatened with knives/broken bottles by little chavs and pikeys, no matter how angry I am.

I've been accused of attempted murder before after serously losing my temper with someone who had just punched me square in the face (charge was dropped in court, thank God). I was an idiot and rage took control, absolutely am ashamed of it and would never get into that sort of scenrio again unless I was actually fearing that my life was in immediate danger and I HAD to DEFEND myself. Not what appears to have happened in the OP's story.

To all of you who say they would happily go to prison to defend their family etc. I know where you guys are coming from and it's fine to want to protect your family but you're not gonna do anyone any good in prison are you?
And also, it's not that nice a place as some would have us believe, yes there are some stupid rulings where some of them apparently have to have flat screen tellys and PS3's but it's really not a nice place to be.

I'm sure most of you wouldn't be all that happy about being in a place where a guy can 'accidentally fall' down stairs and have his skull smashed open with brains going everywehere, right in front of you (I've never been to prison though some friends have, they didn't like it, needless to say)

Yeah, I agree that the law should have dealt with the yobs way earlier and there should be more power to be able to prevent this stuff but if a lot of you managed to make the changes to the law that you are inferring you would prefer, then you are saying that you are happy for this country to fall even further into the depths than it is already. We'll all be judge jury and executioners and see how much better the country is .

As for the stabbing thing, that worked out the way it should, the guy was in immediate danger of losing his life and reacted to defend himself by turning the knife on the robber in the struggle and the robber died. The shopkeeper did not chase down the road after the robber and stab him, that would have been wrong, obviously, and he would have been charged with murder. If the shopkeeper had gotten in his car and driven after the robber afterwards and run him over, this would also be wrong but a lot of guys think that would be fine As said before I see your frustrations with the law and justice system but killing who ever we feel has wronged us and or our family is just dumb.

 

Christ, sorry, didn't realise how much I'd written
Sorry, ladies and gents!

 

Great post & lots more experience than most of us.

Thank God for that ruling today for that poor shopkeeper who cant have been sleeping well for many months under fear of imprisonment after being a victim of crime...

I think due to lack of experience or confidence in handling aggressive situations a principle of the aggressor giving up most of his rights when deciding to threaten a law abiding member of the public should apply

If the perps come off worst, then so be it, lets not shed too much of a tear. Ordinary decent citizens just dont have the time or skills needed to analyse and plan and judge what precise counter actions are needed when threatened. We just need to react before we are acted upon and if the perp knows that this might well later end up seeming to be disproportionate (with cold calm hindsight) then that is the risk they took.

I was going for the earthquake with an antique ornament this morning myself!!! I would have whacked it with all my might to dismiss the risk to my wife and kids rather than had a chat with it Fortunately it was MUCH bigger than me or my ornament

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Yeah, cheers bud , experiences I'd sooner not have had and neither would the couple of mates who have been inside either, but you live and learn I suppose.

You've got a good point about the idea of the aggressor giving up certain rights if an innocent individual is defending themselves unfortunately there was a bit of a role reversal in the end here it seems.

These perps would definitely think twice if we could turn around and use excessive force to defend ourselves but I fear that it would just lead to an escalation in violence all round - from the perps and the victims.

It's a tricky balance to try and legislate on. There does need to be a review of the current set up though, that's for sure. Starting with tidying up the streets and getting the groups of yobs + drug users into something worthwhile would be a start and finding out the reasons behind the problems is the key but difficult to assess, ultimately we need to come down hard on persons that create unsociable atmospheres and fear within the gen public. Lastly, the public actually need a bit more education with regards to what they can and can't do in situations where they feel or are actually threatened.

Doesn't look like there will be a solution any time soon as the government appear to be completely incompetent. Vigilante activity and violent crimes by career crminals etc. will probably continue to escalate until it's all gone horribly wrong. There are too many scared and angry people walking the streets, for very clear reasons, which need fixing asap.

pmsl @ the earthquake thing mate

Dang, another super long post

 

 

 

Is he dead yet

 

Who ?

















This could get silly.

 

Ken Dodd.... he died

 

Who's looking after the Diddy Men then ?

 

The IRS!

 

You were meant to say "Did He"

 

So-o-o-o true !

 

Only if you are American.


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