Even though we are becoming more knowledgeable about the PC Plonkers who have got so much power in this country, it is still incredible that this judge should take this action against Mr Armstrong. This goes dead against all the values which we have always held in this country and there is no sign of any kind of good old common sense from the court. It is all mindless justice by numbers with no consideration for what was actually happening.

There is a statue on top of the Old Bailey holding a set of scales. This signifies that British justice is supposed to be a matter of weighing up the evidence and acting accordingly. Precious little of that in this case!

Tiggs,

There is a phrase which describes your sort very clearly in the Services.

Les

 

Regardless of you opinion on whether Armstrong should have been jailed - Just isolate this paragraph for a second.

When I say isolate, I mean take out all the emotive judsgement that we all make.

This paragraph above is not true. It is a lie.

Here is what actually happened.



Now, I am making no judgement whatsoever on whether what he did was justified or not. All I am pointing out is that the site is encouraging you to sign your name to something by lying to you.


It does his cause no favours whatsoever to my mind.

 

Passing sentence, judge Lady Smith told Armstrong she had no alternative but to impose a custodial sentence and said she would have sentenced him to five years, but for his guilty plea.

I'd have sent down the thug for 5 years and given Armstrong 1 year plus community service. dl

 

As far as I'm concerned the thug got what he deserved for even daring threaten someone in front of his children. I signed this petition and still would have done even if the bloke drove a 100 miles to run the thug over.


I would have driven over the little bst*rds head.

I would be prepared to do life to protect a child.

Sorry to rant.

 

This is why I haven't signed it. I won't put my name to a pack of lies. Even if I've got a huge amount of sympathy/empathy(?) for the bloke's actions.

To my mind it was in the immediate aftermath of an attack and should have been dealt with as such. i.e. He can't be expected to behave completely rationally. Sentence him to get the Judge's tea in for three months so they can keep an eye on him and quietly give him a pat on the back.

J.

 

I am confused as to where the idea has come from that all this happened in front of his children.

He was out in his van - Unless he keeps the kids in the back of it, then he was on his own. Certainly no news report makes any mention of his kids being around.

 

signed
yes, spot on!

I would have done the same as he did in his situation and would expect the full force of the law to be on my side.

disgusting!

 

Well said! Caveat perpetrator not victim surely? The balance needs to swing the other way... D

 

I actually know someone thats done that

 

Ive mentioned this before - one of my sisters was driving through our town late one weekend night when a gang of boys walked into the road and tried to force her to stop the car, she panicked and floored it knocking one guy over and breaking his leg. She drove straight to the cop shop to tell them what she had just done. The cops said she did the right thing and supported her. The guy derserved it they said.

Self defence whilst behind the wheel

So kids around or not if someone brandishing a knife and metal baton has a go at someone threatening to kill them I think the intended victim is entitled to act just a little bit out of character even if it meant driving over and killing the aggressor.

 

There's a phrase for your sort, they use it at my 3 year olds school. "Cant read yet"

Have you people not got the ability to look at the FACTS of this case or are you only able to be spoon fed your info by the Daily Mail?

The thug broke this mans window and RAN OFF. What should happen to HIM....i don't care, prison, execute him...whatever. Lets move on....the man whose window was broken pursued the man in his car (in a premeditated act he has since said was wrong), the thug hid in the bushes, the man mounted the pavement and tried to kill the thug.

Did the thug deserve it? Yes, would it have been funny if he was dead...of course, I'd laugh my **** off......should a judge ignore what happened NO!!!! and if you want evidence of whether the law agrees with me, well this blokes in jail now!

You CAN NOT have a society where one act of vandalism can be retaliated against with attempted murder.

The people voting otherwise on here are either NOT AWARE of the facts, in which case they are lazy sheep or they ARE aware in which case they haven't thought it through very well.

 

Can someone just post up the actual story so we can decide for ourselves?

 

stv - news - Wife says Glasgow man should not have been jailed after being threatened with knife

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow, Lanarkshire and West | Motorist ran down knife attacker

Dad Jailed After Running Down Armed Thug - The Daily Record

 

To be fair Dan, that's a bit different to what happened in this case.

Armstrong heard a bang on his van, he got out to confront the person, the person the srandish a knife and baton, before smashing the window on the van and then running off.

Armstrong then got back into his van and drove after the person. Person then hid in some bushes and was spotted by Armstrong, who then drove at him.

I would say that's quite a lot different from what your Sister did.

 

and maybe if said druggie had not threatened him or smashed his window then no problem.
Druggie brought it on himself.
Could be someone esle was saved from this happening to them, imagine if it had been a mother with a child in a car!

scumbag caused this (by making a series of choices); buying drugs, buying alcohol, being on the street with a bat and knife and then threating someone and breaking a vehicle window.. I think he should have got 5 years for his behaviour alone!

Yes the other guy deserves punishment but due to the circumstances - 2 year probation seems fair to me.

 

I don't disagree with this, Paul. You know my feelings on knife crime.
I think the Judge was bound by the law, as he had pleaded guilty to assault - As she put it:

I can't disagree with that, either.

However, it does nag at me, that a man is in prison due to losing his temper quite understandably.

I don't think he should have driven his car at the guy, but neither do I think that Armstrong deserves a custidial sentence - Especially given his reported reputation as a family guy.

Its a really tricky state of affairs - On the one hand you absolutely cannot have people taking the law into thier own hands, and on the other you have to appreciate that people do have a breaking point.

I don't agree with how the original petition is worded - It is a needless distortion of the facts - It doesn't need to lie, and it makes you wonder why.

 

I truely think you are missing the point !!! This situation happened because of an on going problem with low life scum ruining the lives of local people. The blame for this is with our usless police foce who always seem to make every excuse for doing nothing when clearly there is a problem - gangs, scumbags etc etc. The guy clearly reached his limit and as the cops were as always useless he blew his top and took the right action.

All praise to him

I'll bet if these scumbags were making lives a misery anywhere near where a copper lived it would be dealt with.......

I know recently a copper moved because of this but I'm sure this is the exception to the rule.

PS my sister was married to a copper for several years.....

 

If this was self defense then I'd sign it right now. However it appears that it (probably) wasn't, and was something that happened out of justifiable sense of anger, that though (for me at least) doesn't justify his actions.

Should he of gone to jail?, probably not IMO, but there was obviously wasn't enough mitigating circumstances to save him from prison.

I feel for this man and his family as they appear to have been put through an intollerable situation by these youths.

But I do fear too many people have been taken in by what is a highly emotive (and inaccurate report).

Also I do wish people would stop going on about this being as a result of a PC society, this has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness.

I aslo don't subscribe to the view that becasue someone is a thug / bully / druggy etc they deserve to be killed.

 

No - you are missing the point!

Should the yobs in the area be dealt with - yes.
Were the police useless - yes.
Should the thug go to jail - yes.


Is it right for a judge to allow someone to attempt murder on the basis of the above.......NO!!!!

 

OK - So can we assume everyone who has signed supports vigilante revenge?

Can someone tell me the cut off point for said revenge? Maybe a yes/no to the following would help clarify it in my mind

If someone threatens my kids
If someone breaks into my house to steal my car keys, scaring my kids in the process
If someone steals my car
If someone tries to steal my car
If someone tries to steal something of less value than my car.


Its just that I caught a robin trying to steal the cream from my milk bottles this morning. The feker hid in a bush, so I jumped in the car and mowed it down...... it won't do that again in a hurry

 

Well if the drunken drugged up w****r wants to go around doing things like that then there will be consiquences... lets just say he wont be doing it again will he. The little c**t got what he deserved.

 

 

Signed

 

Very weak response old chap!

Les

 

I think anyone found carrying a knife should get a 10 year jail sentence , and in the case of minors bring back borstal

 

Its down to the key approach and attitude of the authorities here. They have lost track of any sense of deterrence. It's all about dealing with stuff afterwards. Entering crime/fine/punishment on a database to later show us how good they are and how 'on target'. Well I think they miss by a mile, and so does this jailed father.

Perpetrators/chancers/crims/wrong 'uns knowing that the full weight of the law and state is predisposed to support victims and any actions they take to safeguard their safety/health/family/property would be a DETTERENCE. If a victim went, what looked like in hindsight (and office based calm detached analysis) too far in eliminating a threat then it might not be wholly wrong to assume that the perpetrator bought it upon himself and that this cancels out usual criminal assault prosecution issues.

How many of us would want to logically analyse a noise in the dark or maybe enter a conversation with a burglar(s) that had entered your house to see if he would go away quietly, please? Personally I'd go behind a door and whack him as hard as I could as he came through it. It could result in his death and my imprisonment under the current system.... That is totally wrong.

Looks like this guy did lose it a bit, but he does NOT deserve jail.

D

PS How about a H&S 'enter at own personal risk' disclaimer at each exterior window of your house as a warning to burglars - might look good in court

 

Why, because ts accurate in every sense?

As ex forces, i expect you're used to just following the heard but I'm amazed some of the others on here cant use some independent thought and look at the FACTS instead of the media spun nonsense.

 

It is an emotive issue and I agree that people are very clearly being lied to here in order to make the story appealing.

Of course the chap should indeed have been found guilty, but a suspended sentence would have been more than sufficient 'punishment'. Finally, justice cannot be seen to endorse vigilantes, no matter how strong their cause is.