Peed off with the 335i already
04 February 2008, 11:16 PM
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04 February 2008, 11:36 PM
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Ed, I think its you that have misread my posts.
You entitle the thread "Peed of with the 335i already" and yet suddenly its the best thing ever?
From the off I wasn't suggesting that it was crap however I was suggesting there was probably something more suitable out there based on your "driving style"
So far you've implied I'm a chav with very little intelligence now this futile insulting is obviously the way you like to get the upper hand with someone who has a different opinion to you.
Now Einstein RA has put is point across in a very effective manner and has pretty much put in my place. But he's done it bybeing polite and respectful where as Ed you have just been plain offensive without real reason.
I've posted the pics up as you wrongly assumed I was some novice without the first idea. You couldn't be further from the truth, I was just showing you otherwise.
I've absolutely no doubt its a fabulous car and given your weekend exploits its ideal for all your bike gear etc. My point that you constantly keep missing is that its not a trackday car or a car for nailing around the countryside on its limits thats all I am saying.
As you have said each to their own. Personally I don't think you've chosen the right car for your needs and you can't handle that for some bizarre reason and resort to name calling and cheap shots. Bravo, i've clearly been outclassed by the better man.
Incedently resale value of my car does not bother me in the slightest I've built it for A: the enjoyment of building it. B: for the enjoyment of driving it. I'm certainly not worried about any residual value even though I would still have change if i'd bought a 335i estate with all the trimmings instead.
Enjoy the drifting, track days and inappropiate driving in your BMW estate!!
You entitle the thread "Peed of with the 335i already" and yet suddenly its the best thing ever?
From the off I wasn't suggesting that it was crap however I was suggesting there was probably something more suitable out there based on your "driving style"
So far you've implied I'm a chav with very little intelligence now this futile insulting is obviously the way you like to get the upper hand with someone who has a different opinion to you.
Now Einstein RA has put is point across in a very effective manner and has pretty much put in my place. But he's done it bybeing polite and respectful where as Ed you have just been plain offensive without real reason.
I've posted the pics up as you wrongly assumed I was some novice without the first idea. You couldn't be further from the truth, I was just showing you otherwise.
I've absolutely no doubt its a fabulous car and given your weekend exploits its ideal for all your bike gear etc. My point that you constantly keep missing is that its not a trackday car or a car for nailing around the countryside on its limits thats all I am saying.
As you have said each to their own. Personally I don't think you've chosen the right car for your needs and you can't handle that for some bizarre reason and resort to name calling and cheap shots. Bravo, i've clearly been outclassed by the better man.
Incedently resale value of my car does not bother me in the slightest I've built it for A: the enjoyment of building it. B: for the enjoyment of driving it. I'm certainly not worried about any residual value even though I would still have change if i'd bought a 335i estate with all the trimmings instead.
Enjoy the drifting, track days and inappropiate driving in your BMW estate!!
05 February 2008, 09:59 AM
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The scary thing is, I think you really believe all of that 
Unfortunately mate there are over 2,700 views of this thread, and the evidence is all there for everyone to see. The single issue I was pointing out in the thread was surprise that there was no LSD in a 306bhp rwd car (regardless of the body style.)
You kicked all this off by giving it the
in your very first post, despite that I had already said that I was only doing the drift day because it was pre-booked in my M5 and non-refundable.
My response to you there was perfectly civil, and explained exactly the circumstance, and I quote:
Your delightful response was:
Lovely.
I won't bother going on, but anyone is free to go back and read them all if they wish. And you have the nerve to say I'm offensive and 'name calling'?
Certainly I've not seen a single 'neutral' person back you up in this thread, maybe that should tell you something?
You're even at the point now of imagining things! Where did I ever mention the resale value of your car?!!
I sincerely suggest at this point you just let it lie, we plainly have very different perspectives on life and aren't about to shake hands and agree.
Unfortunately mate there are over 2,700 views of this thread, and the evidence is all there for everyone to see. The single issue I was pointing out in the thread was surprise that there was no LSD in a 306bhp rwd car (regardless of the body style.)
You kicked all this off by giving it the
in your very first post, despite that I had already said that I was only doing the drift day because it was pre-booked in my M5 and non-refundable.My response to you there was perfectly civil, and explained exactly the circumstance, and I quote:
Why not?
When I booked the day I had an E39 M5, but have changed out of it since. I'm not going to cancel the day just because I have changed car, especially as the 335i, be it estate form or not, is pretty much on par with a stock E46 M3.
I live in central london, with no garage, so no room for a proper toy, and I need an estate for all the mountainbiking and snowboarding I do. The roads I drive in Wales and Scotland and the Alps are some of the best in the world, therefore I require the practicality of an estate, with the performance of a sports car. The 335i touring with AP brakes, a Quaife LSD and a safe 380bhp remap will be just that, for less than £35k.
Does that about cover it??
When I booked the day I had an E39 M5, but have changed out of it since. I'm not going to cancel the day just because I have changed car, especially as the 335i, be it estate form or not, is pretty much on par with a stock E46 M3.
I live in central london, with no garage, so no room for a proper toy, and I need an estate for all the mountainbiking and snowboarding I do. The roads I drive in Wales and Scotland and the Alps are some of the best in the world, therefore I require the practicality of an estate, with the performance of a sports car. The 335i touring with AP brakes, a Quaife LSD and a safe 380bhp remap will be just that, for less than £35k.
Does that about cover it??
No but an RS6 would although slightly dearer than £35K
What I cant understand is why you feel the need to turn ESP off within 5 seconds of turning the ignition on? Why on earth do you need to do that on a daily basis? Or do you drive like a tool everywhere?
Have your wheelspin kicks when the time is right not in "Central London" when pulling out of a junction.
I've driven one of these on numerous occasions and driven as they should be i.e not hoofing it everywhere they are a lovely car.
If you are hell bent on a great handling estate car then look at the Volvo V70R. Now that is an awesome handling estate car. It will put the BMW to utter shame in ALL areas apart from maybe the "oooh he's got a brand new BMW factor" but then who gives a toss about that these days?
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What I cant understand is why you feel the need to turn ESP off within 5 seconds of turning the ignition on? Why on earth do you need to do that on a daily basis? Or do you drive like a tool everywhere?
Have your wheelspin kicks when the time is right not in "Central London" when pulling out of a junction.
I've driven one of these on numerous occasions and driven as they should be i.e not hoofing it everywhere they are a lovely car.
If you are hell bent on a great handling estate car then look at the Volvo V70R. Now that is an awesome handling estate car. It will put the BMW to utter shame in ALL areas apart from maybe the "oooh he's got a brand new BMW factor" but then who gives a toss about that these days?
Daz
I won't bother going on, but anyone is free to go back and read them all if they wish. And you have the nerve to say I'm offensive and 'name calling'?
Certainly I've not seen a single 'neutral' person back you up in this thread, maybe that should tell you something?You're even at the point now of imagining things! Where did I ever mention the resale value of your car?!!
I sincerely suggest at this point you just let it lie, we plainly have very different perspectives on life and aren't about to shake hands and agree.
05 February 2008, 10:17 AM
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All booked, it's being fitted the week of the 18th while I'm in the US.
Been trying to decide whether to get AP's fitted at the same time, but after a very spirited drive across the Welsh mountains on Saturday I had zero problems with fade, but just a bit of a mushy pedal once it got hot, so I think I'll try braided hoses and a 5.1 fluid first. Certainly the brakes are much better than the standard ones on my M5 and considerably better than those on the E46 M3.
Been trying to decide whether to get AP's fitted at the same time, but after a very spirited drive across the Welsh mountains on Saturday I had zero problems with fade, but just a bit of a mushy pedal once it got hot, so I think I'll try braided hoses and a 5.1 fluid first. Certainly the brakes are much better than the standard ones on my M5 and considerably better than those on the E46 M3.
05 February 2008, 10:52 AM
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I got a slippy diff (quaife) installed on the old 9k Aero. Albeit on the front, it's great fun in the corners -- takes a bit more man-handling but digs in deep and whips round / pulls it round which is a revelation for me.
Odd thing is, it doesnt grip that much better in a straight line / standing start. I believe the design is about 25% torque to the grippy side so I guess in a straight line I will get 25% power down as opposed to bu66er all! ( in 2nd, i get the car to spin if provoked but it's still hauling along where before it ceased to accelerate). 3rd just has the odd twitch now, so sorted.
This might vary car to car but interested to see how it affects this rear drive car with similar power.
Odd thing is, it doesnt grip that much better in a straight line / standing start. I believe the design is about 25% torque to the grippy side so I guess in a straight line I will get 25% power down as opposed to bu66er all! ( in 2nd, i get the car to spin if provoked but it's still hauling along where before it ceased to accelerate). 3rd just has the odd twitch now, so sorted.
This might vary car to car but interested to see how it affects this rear drive car with similar power.
05 February 2008, 10:57 AM
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Here is chris harris from autocars opinion FWIW:
http://a1211.v38076a.c38076.g.vm.aka..._512kws.wmv%20
Evo also gave the same car in that test a five star rating largely because of the difference the LSD made!!!
http://a1211.v38076a.c38076.g.vm.aka..._512kws.wmv%20
Evo also gave the same car in that test a five star rating largely because of the difference the LSD made!!!
05 February 2008, 11:18 AM
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ho ho - I'm not so worried about wheelspin in the wet now! Looks fun but seems an odd way to judge it - should be, "more grip and better balance" they seem to think it's great you can use it as a drift car and endlessly spin both wheels, not making much progress round the corners. Makes better TV I guess!
05 February 2008, 11:29 AM
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Yeah exactly, and I think they will more just trying to illustrate the point. The Evo article was focused purely on the overall driving experience, and said that the LSD made it much stable, and gave dramatic performance benefits accelerating through and out of corners.
05 February 2008, 12:05 PM
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Most people report a noticeable difference because all the air has been bled out properly and its new fluid!
If your going to throw money on doing brakes; do them properly. Don't forget braided hoses should be replaced every 5 years or so (depending on mileage), as the PTFE does fatigue and make sure they are properly crimped on both ends of each hose; have seen a few of recent that wern't done properly and blew-off the fittings under hard braking!
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RBF600 is a great DOT4 fluid - seems to be able to take an utter roasting without falling apart.
I've also had great success on standardish brakes running very good pads such as Ferodo DS2500. These can run very hot without gassing (so you dont run vented discs) and are LEAGUES better than the average standard pad without being a pig when cold. (about the same as standard when cold)
Just make sure you have a vat of wonderwheels cleaner handy
PS - Not questioning benefits of a proper set of big APs... but they are bl00dy expensive!
I've also had great success on standardish brakes running very good pads such as Ferodo DS2500. These can run very hot without gassing (so you dont run vented discs) and are LEAGUES better than the average standard pad without being a pig when cold. (about the same as standard when cold)
Just make sure you have a vat of wonderwheels cleaner handy
PS - Not questioning benefits of a proper set of big APs... but they are bl00dy expensive!
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Did you throw up the first time? This thread is going from the sublime to the ridiculous. Daz I have the utmost respect for you but you're not doing yourself any favours by perpetuating matters. TBH honest you were a little blunt in your comments and became dictatorial in your assertions. Take a step back and stop being so pigheaded. Ed does not have to explain his purchase and what he does with it to you, me or the bloke next door. For the record I don't agree with your comments about the Beemer, I consider them to be very accomplished driving machines. However you are entitled to your opinions, just don't expect them to be agreed with or taken as gospel.
This thread is going from the sublime to the ridiculous. Daz I have the utmost respect for you but you're not doing yourself any favours by perpetuating matters. TBH honest you were a little blunt in your comments and became dictatorial in your assertions. Take a step back and stop being so pigheaded. Ed does not have to explain his purchase and what he does with it to you, me or the bloke next door. For the record I don't agree with your comments about the Beemer, I consider them to be very accomplished driving machines. However you are entitled to your opinions, just don't expect them to be agreed with or taken as gospel.
05 February 2008, 04:58 PM
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WOuldn't bother with the braids and 5.1; both snake oil. Well, maybe that statment is bit extreme for the braids with concern to an old car with perished hoses. (fresh dot4 has very little difference to fresh 5.1, and in some cases dot 4 is LESS compressable - but the measured difference is so small you wouldn't notice anyway). But either case, extremely negligable modifications
Most people report a noticeable difference because all the air has been bled out properly and its new fluid!
If your going to throw money on doing brakes; do them properly. Don't forget braided hoses should be replaced every 5 years or so (depending on mileage), as the PTFE does fatigue and make sure they are properly crimped on both ends of each hose; have seen a few of recent that wern't done properly and blew-off the fittings under hard braking!
Most people report a noticeable difference because all the air has been bled out properly and its new fluid!
If your going to throw money on doing brakes; do them properly. Don't forget braided hoses should be replaced every 5 years or so (depending on mileage), as the PTFE does fatigue and make sure they are properly crimped on both ends of each hose; have seen a few of recent that wern't done properly and blew-off the fittings under hard braking!
Birds are now fitting a set of AP 6-pots with 356mm 2-piece vented and grooved discs at the same time.
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So to quickly sumarise this, on one had you have a guy that buys a car to cover all the bases he requires, as he only has one car parking place. So the cars function is to:
a) carry his bike etc
b) go to work and not wake his neighbours up with his rude boy exhaust
c) travel in comfort across the country and Europe and arrive in some fit state to enjoy being where ever he's got to.
d) enjoy the occasional trackday and has a laugh drifting it about
on the other you have the man
a) who is considerably fast than the lot of ya.
b) Knows more about cars than you.
c) Has a bizarre fetish about the purchases of others.
d) appears to be jealous of Ed for some reason.
Any way enough of the **** competition i am considerably faster than the lot of you.
a) carry his bike etc
b) go to work and not wake his neighbours up with his rude boy exhaust
c) travel in comfort across the country and Europe and arrive in some fit state to enjoy being where ever he's got to.
d) enjoy the occasional trackday and has a laugh drifting it about
on the other you have the man
a) who is considerably fast than the lot of ya.
b) Knows more about cars than you.
c) Has a bizarre fetish about the purchases of others.
d) appears to be jealous of Ed for some reason.
Any way enough of the **** competition i am considerably faster than the lot of you.
That being an ASI from which '60s vintage trolley?
06 February 2008, 10:18 PM
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06 February 2008, 10:41 PM
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I'll leave you with a short vid of my old scooby showing how a car with nearly half your current power can catch and pass most things. The instructor was one of the team responsible for setting up and testing the Focus RS.
YouTube - 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX at Oulton Park passing Porsche
Just seen this vid Supurb.
YouTube - 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX at Oulton Park passing Porsche
Just seen this vid Supurb.
14 February 2008, 01:28 PM
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dissapointingly slow as standard ,check out this fifth gear track video at castle combe 335i vs audi S5,poor lap times ,i can lap quicker than that with 140 bhp less than the Audi in an old rover 400 based mg zs 
YouTube - Fifth Gear - Audi S5 vs BMW 335i
YouTube - Fifth Gear - Audi S5 vs BMW 335i
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14 February 2008, 02:34 PM
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dissapointingly slow as standard ,check out this fifth gear track video at castle combe 335i vs audi S5,poor lap times ,i can lap quicker than that with 140 bhp less than the Audi in an old rover 400 based mg zs
YouTube - Fifth Gear - Audi S5 vs BMW 335i
YouTube - Fifth Gear - Audi S5 vs BMW 335i
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my point is these cars are supposed to be range topping "ultimate driving machines " and clearly they arent actually very dynamically capable,probably because ,at a guess , they both weigh almost as much as a bus.
Actually ,you probabaly couldnt lap quicker than me in a 115 bhp caterham
Actually ,you probabaly couldnt lap quicker than me in a 115 bhp caterham
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my point is these cars are supposed to be range topping "ultimate driving machines " and clearly they arent actually very dynamically capable,probably because ,at a guess , they both weigh almost as much as a bus.
Actually ,you probabaly couldnt lap quicker than me in a 115 bhp caterham
Actually ,you probabaly couldnt lap quicker than me in a 115 bhp caterham
A regular Alonso aren't you.
i love fast men 
14 February 2008, 05:07 PM
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my point is these cars are supposed to be range topping "ultimate driving machines " and clearly they arent actually very dynamically capable,probably because ,at a guess , they both weigh almost as much as a bus.
Actually ,you probabaly couldnt lap quicker than me in a 115 bhp caterham
Actually ,you probabaly couldnt lap quicker than me in a 115 bhp caterham
On top of that, and more importantly, what makes a good road car often doesn't make a good track car and vice-a-versa. Neither are "range topping" either and neither are set up for the track.
But I expect you'd know that
14 February 2008, 05:32 PM
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"someone with not much talent"
shes an ex racing instructor and ex racing driver ,check out some of the stuff shes done ,id bet she could hussle a car around a track quicker than 99% of folks on here.Obviously theres lots of showboating on the video but I doubt they would be thinking about showboating on the "fast lap" as they will know going sideways is not the fastest way around a corner.
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shes an ex racing instructor and ex racing driver ,check out some of the stuff shes done ,id bet she could hussle a car around a track quicker than 99% of folks on here.Obviously theres lots of showboating on the video but I doubt they would be thinking about showboating on the "fast lap" as they will know going sideways is not the fastest way around a corner.
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14 February 2008, 05:39 PM
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Actually i dont rate Alonso,spits his dummy when a new young upstart beats him
14 February 2008, 05:41 PM
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a couple of series back....
"someone with not much talent"
shes an ex racing instructor and ex racing driver ,check out some of the stuff shes done ,id bet she could hussle a car around a track quicker than 99% of folks on here.Obviously theres lots of showboating on the video but I doubt they would be thinking about showboating on the "fast lap" as they will know going sideways is not the fastest way around a corner.
Motor Racing - Vicki Butler-Henderson Appreciation Site
shes an ex racing instructor and ex racing driver ,check out some of the stuff shes done ,id bet she could hussle a car around a track quicker than 99% of folks on here.Obviously theres lots of showboating on the video but I doubt they would be thinking about showboating on the "fast lap" as they will know going sideways is not the fastest way around a corner.
Motor Racing - Vicki Butler-Henderson Appreciation Site
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fair enough i didnt know that ,i still say she would be quicker than 99% of scoobynetters though,wouldnt you think?
out of interest ,which model caterham and which model boxster ,a boxster s for example i would expect to beat or be close in performance to a lower powered caterham.
out of interest ,which model caterham and which model boxster ,a boxster s for example i would expect to beat or be close in performance to a lower powered caterham.