f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Nope, if you can't see that by simple logic a queue in one lane must by definition be twice as long as splitting it into 2 lanes then the only stupidity being exhibited here is yours

Chrisgr31

Merge in turn is quicker but is only quicker for everyone if it happens at the back of the queue!

So the question arises why the queue has occurred in the first place and that could be for many reasons.

As long as the traffic is actually flowing through the restriction then merge in turn works, but don't forget that Lane 1 should always have more vehicles in it than Lane 2 and Lane 2 should have more vehicles than Lane 3. This is due to the speeds involved. The faster the speed the more stopping space required, therefore Lane 1 vehicles need less space, and Lane 3 more, hence more vehicles in Lane 1.

Therefore as you approach an obstruction Lane 1 already contains more vehicles so is more likely to queue. Then then whose don't believe in merge in turn at the pinch point worsen this by moving in to Lane 1 100's of yards in advance of the pinchpoint. If people have to brake to let these people in then quite quickly a long queue will form.

Onced a queue has formed it will clear quicker if everyone merges at the back of it. This is because if you have 2 queues of traffice Car 1 in Lane 1 starts moving creating a space, but Car 2 can't move into it as it is needed by Car 1 in Lane 2 etc. If there is only one lane then once the cars in that lane start moving there is no need to stop or slow, hence clearing the queue quicker!

Simon 69

Rubbish! The root of all of these threads is that the OP wants to drive to the front and cut in. For the hard-of-thinking: if you all get in the queue in good time then the queue will flow more smoothly than if it constantly stops at its head to allow selfish knobbers to get in.

The oft-mentioned excuse that the planners want you to merge where the cones start in absolute b*llocks and mentioning merge in turn queues is nothing more than misdirection, because this is only ever an issue where the merge in turn method has not been implemented. Further to that: the lenght of the cue has no bearing on this whatsoever, all that matters is the time that it takes for a vehicle to pass through the obstruction, irrespective of which lane that it is in.

By calling me stupuid, you have really shown yourself up.

Odds on

So we shouldn't filter when required to do so by the bollards, we should make up an imaginary point 1/2 a mile before then?

The motorway agencies spend time and money making sure the bollards are placed so as not to cause black spots. So are you suggesting we ignore their expertise?

ps, stupuid is spelt stupid.

zip106

Simon 69...
Where in my original post did I say I wanted to 'drive to the front and cut-in', hmmm?
That's right, I didn't.
Don't just assume, pal.
It was an un-restricted dual carriageway and I was doing <30 mph upto where I joined the queue about 200yds before the cones pushed the traffic down a slip road.

I really don't think using an empty lane and then being let in is anything more than being creative and using the resources that are put in front of you.

It's all about getting from A to B in the quickest, legal way.
Try doing a Police endorsed driving course and test because this is EXACTLY as I've been taught, and then come back and tell us we're all idiots.
If people like you did the Advanced or ROSPA driving course then the roads would be a whole lot safer.

Oh aye, I'm not a knobber either.

zip106

Bloody hell mate, you were bang on

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Why can you not get this? If there were two lanes of traffic merging in turn there would be no lane for anyone to drive to the front in would there? Please try and understand this

As for the stupid comment I think you'll find you started it

Simon 69

Merge in turn has nothing to do with this argument.

zip; if that is the case then you will the first thread starter, on this topic, who didnt.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No, of course it doesn't I give up - if the cap fits and all that

DocJock

fatherpierre

Maybe every road should be just a single lane so those that don't allow the mergers in, can queue, safe in the knowledge no one will EVER get a car's length on them .

Two lanes merging into 1, or 3 into 2 isn't hard.

Use the available road until you have to merge - it's a waste of road otherwise and makes everyone queue longer.

Spoon

I normally go down the outside to the cones, handbrake turn and come back to about half distance of the queue, handbrake turn back and slot in. Never fails to confuse everyone.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Anyone that dares merge in front of me gets 300 horsies ploughing them back out into the oncoming traffic

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

Well I mostly zip down the outside lane & cut in at the last minute. I can do this as I own an Impreza which is of course the fastest car on the road If I'm ever in the "slow" lane then I of course close the gap to stop the cheeky bar steward trying to cut in front of me ... also sometimes straddle both lanes just to be really annoying.

TX.

fatherpierre

I always drive very near the coned area. Simply because common sense says do it!

Why queue when the other lane is empty an allows you a ten minute advantage over the idiots chewing the bumper in front of them who try to argue that we should all queue as soon as the signs are shown. Even though they say the merge point is in Norway........