Paul3446

It's great to hear from all the smokers blubbing away about how unfair it is!

Keep 'em coming, it's making my day!

Face the fact that this is going to make loads of people give up, you are soon going to be even more of an outcast than ever.

Leslie

Thats what they all say Sir!

The smokers I mean.

Les

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

True though. How will it save lives? What would the government prefer people to die of? Is there going to be a official government approved death/illness?

I like a drink but i also know that some people become idiots and violent once they've had a pint or several. I don't like suffering the secondary effects of other people's drinking so maybe that should be next for a ban?

Load of hokey.

5t.

pslewis

How will it save lives? Ask the passive smokers who have died before their time .....

This arrogance by smokers is quite staggering - as I say, I smoked before my brain started to work properly and I stopped.

"There is powerful evidence that an outright ban on public smoking would save lives, doctors' leaders from across the world say.

A report by the British Medical Association's Tobacco Control Resource Centre describes the success of such anti-smoking laws in other countries.

Ireland has seen drops in cigarette sales and the US state California has reported fewer lung cancers"

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

Who says they have died before their time?

Again, if you smoke or not you are most likely to die of heart disease, stroke or cancer.

I'm sure most people know some 84 year old biddy that has smoked 20 a day since forever but at the same time it isn't hard to find people who have never done anything wrong and dropped dead at 50

Fact is there still isn't hard evidence to support passive smoking as a theory. Further fact is your lungs will be in better condition if you live in the Swiss Alpes and smoke than if you live in london and don't smoke.

The rise in the numbers of kids with asthma etc isn't because they go to pubs for much underage boozing it is general air pollution and there are a lot worse things out there than cig smoke.

Again, i'm not a smoker but as someelse posted there has to be a line drawn early. We are constantly told by the government we drink too much, we eat too much salt/lard/meat we smoke, we don't get enough exercise, we're all obese and then they slap the retirement age up to 65 with a view to making it 68 because we are all living longer!!!!

Also "tobacco related diseases" cost the NHS £3bn a year apparently. However the government gets £8bn in tax from tabs so there is going to be a lot of money to make up (probably by taxing the motorist again oooh bad cars) somewhere.

have a read of this actually. Interesting stuff.

http://www.joejackson.com/pdf/5smoki...okingissue.pdf

"It is has become ‘common knowledge’ that smoking is one of the worst things you can possibly do to yourself; ‘all the experts agree’. Of course, ‘all the experts’ once agreed that masturbation caused blindness, that homosexuality was a disease, and that marijuana turned people into homicidal maniacs. In the 1970s and 80s British doctors told mothers to put their babies to sleep face-down. Cot deaths soared..."

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Paul3446

Well you just keep on smoking if you think it's good for you.

pslewis

I would respond, but I can't read the screen

You carry on smoking then There's a big, grown-up, clever person

Just as long as I don't have to smell you ....................

"Why do smokers smell?"

"So blind people can HATE them aswell!!"

OllyK

He's already posted twice that he's a non-smoker!

OllyK

I'll repeat it again, he's already posted that he's a non-smoker

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

thanks Olly between the two of us i'm sure that makes it four times now!

but for the 5th time, i don't think the evidence warrents a complete ban and i'm concerned about what might be next even if others aren't. As a said, fights, vomit laden streets, unsocialable behaviour and doorways smelling of urine are all secondary effects of other people drinking alcohol that physically affect me. Does that mean we should ban booze next?

bless the keyboard warriors not actually bothering the read the posts they are replying to or the arguments presented to them!

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richs2891

Well if it makes the smokers go outside to have their usual 5 cig breaks a day (+ there full lunch hour !!) and get cold and wet while doing it, its a bonus in my eyes. It might make them think about giving up !

Richard

OllyK

You won't get very far, I have had similar converations in the past on the smoking subject and anybody who doesn't tow the pack line of condemming smoking is immediately assumed to be a smoker, no matter how many times you explain you aren't and there is a bigger picture to be looked at here.

OllyK

Indeed it may, so the rest of us then have to foot the £8 Billion black hole in the treasury. Keep 'em smoking I say!

lestippp

Great, been banned up here for ages and going out for a drink is now pleasant and you don't go home smelling like the ashtrays and smokers around you. Bye the way, the pubs are at least as busy as they were beforehand.

When I drink I don't force the person next to me to drink
When the person next to me smokes I have to smoke

Way over due, here's to all the people who will be alive 20yrs from now thanks to progress and bringing an end to those more selfish among us!

Paul3446

Quote:
He's already posted twice that he's a non-smoker!


Then he must be even more stupid then! Is this the only non smoker who likes to smoke passively, it does beg the question, why not just take up the habit, then you can get your fix whenever you want, rather than wait for someone else to light up?

Paul3446

What is the bigger picture exactly Olly?

"MADDOG"

iTrader: (3)

Really great news about this smoking ban guys.......................I wonder how long it will take this nanny state to stop them smoking in our PRISONS.......

regards "MADDOG"

OllyK

It's already been pointed out in this thread. It's yet another thing being banned. The smoking ban makes next to no difference to me, nor did the fox hunting ban, but then next item on the agenda may make a difference to me and that's my issue with all this. I'd rather have the choice than have the government make it for me.

lozgti

Wow.104 posts and only two people have spotted the important points.

1.What actually is next on the scary Government agenda ?

2.How will they top up the tax black hole?

I am pleased that the 'I have a lovely clean shirt on when I come home from the pub' people are happy,but don't you wonder why it was more important to the government to stop foxes being chased before they saved the population ?

To me,I'd prefer a safe night out without yobs everywhere and zero tolerance on crime rather than an ashtray clearance blitz.

Drinkers/pub goers....I reckon you are next be it expensive alcohol or being told how many drinks you can have on a night out rather than 'advised' what is safe drinking

Paul3446

But it's not just this country, in fact we are rather slow in implementing it, even France have banned smoking. Look at it as protecting the majority from the minority.

OllyK

Not till next Feb they haven't.

So what happens when cars are banned to protect the majority of drivers from the stupid minority?

Paul3446

Why are they going to ban cars?

PeteBrant

1. THis isn't a UK government issue - this is a worldwise issue. England has been quite slow to take this ban up compared to other civilised nations.

2. You are assuming that this ban will stop many people smoking. There is no hard evidence to suggest it will. It may reduce the amount of smokers, but we don't know by how many.

Besides, I don't mind paying an extra 40p odd a day in tax to cover the cost of everyone stopping smoking. It's not a ost of money once you spread it out and, you know, it mean people will live longer and be healithier, which can't be a bad thing.

PeteBrant

What evidence is there to suggest this is even remotely possible? Besides you have it the wrong way round - You stop the stupid from driving (equivalent to the smokers) not ban *everyone* from driving, just like you don't ban *everyone* from going to the pub.

OllyK

It was a hypothetical, an example of protecting the majority from the minority by draconian methods.

Paul3446

The logic here seems to be, because something that is obviously bad for everyone is banned, they might ban something that isn't bad for everyone next!

Tell you what, I'll take my chances that driving won't be the next thing to be banned, anyone else with me on this one?

OllyK

Fine, just don't expect too much sympathy if the next thing the government pick on is something you enjoy.

PeteBrant

Is there any other pastime that people can legally do in public that is medically proven to actually kill bystanders?

OllyK

Well look at how the government keep banging on about how cars are bad for the environment.

I'm not saying cars will be next, but how many things do we let the government ban before we say enough?

OllyK

The TT has a pretty poor record. In fact you may find it's killed more bystanders than have actually been proven to have been killed from passive smoking.