Turbohot

Scoobless, facts will be clearer to us soon. However, have you ever taken your kids to the beach? Don't 3 yr olds run around at the distance more than 40 yards from you sometimes? You don't hold their finger all the time, do you? They can easily be abducted in such scenario. I mean, the parent could have been in the toilet while other one had gone out to get something, FGS! Then as well, the kid could have been abducted. Then, would you say that the parent shouldn't have gone to the toilet?

It sounds like it that those kids were safe in the apartment, they were asleep, they were being watched by the parents from the mere distance of 40 yards. On the basis of that, I won't be so critical of the parents. One of them kept checking them every so often (may be, to see if they have woken up). So, I would still hold my negativity over the parents' negligence. Someone was obviously watching them and took an advantage of breaking into the apartment from the invisible angle and took the child.

I must say that they should have secured the place properly, especially, the doors and windows at the other side that they couldn't see.

I find it harsh to criticise the parents without knowing the full facts.

Scoobless

Silly scenario...of course the parent wouldn't be to blame if they was in the toilet...but this wasn't the case....they left them alone...you can only go so far to protect your children and most do,but it seems others forget they are parents sometimes and act like they was before they had them...if we go out we make sure our child is with a relative/friend,would never dream of leaving them alone,too many wierdos about.

And i'm only going on the facts that we know so far.....

Scoobless

God i hope you're not a parent...shame on people that have said the parents should of acted more responsible??

Fart Man

I happened to see part of an interview with one of the relatives. Every word she uttered was degratory to local police and authority's slow/lack of action. The attitude of a "not my fault" mentality that the UK has harboured for too long.

Well correct me if you will, if I were the police over there, my first thought would be 3 year old, on their own for a significant amount of time. It only takes a minute to open a door and wander off or be taken, if the parents weren't so neglegent, then this would not have happened, simple fact.

I pity the poor girl for both having such absent minded parents and also succomming to whatever has happened to her. Maybe someone desperate to have kids of their own found her on her own and decided they would be better parents. That doesn't make it right, but I can't help wondering if...

bartmanuk

scoobless mate you are obviously a member of the PC brigade, would you say the same if this family were at home in their 6 bedroom detached house where the childs bedroom was at the front of the building and the parents were in the garden nearly 100 yards away, you ****** mug, get a grip on reality mate, you need a slap!!!

BM

The Zohan

I saw an interview and feel exactly the same.

bartmanuk

get off the scoobless bandwagon mate...

The Zohan

I do not think so and i hate and oath the PC brigade.

Comparing apples and oranges Bartman, parents are away from home unfamiliar territory/surroundings, most parents worth their salt take more care and notice under these circumstances!

I also hear on a R4 interview with a expat who stated the Police where prtetty much on the case straight away and the locals and holiday makers got out to thelp as well, good for them.

It takes certian circumstances for this to happen, ultimately until the facts come out we will not know for sure, assuming she has been taken then.

1) A person(s) took her without the consent of the parents.
2) the childs was put in a position where she could be taken with ease - by this simple break in and she was unattended/no adults.
3) poor security and or someone who knows the complex well.

The Police did not create this situation by any means and am sure wil do thier upmost to sort the problems out. It may be the family members are very tired and emotinal (and who can blame them) and just hitting out at anyone.

All of this is speculation by me and others, all i do hope is that she turns up OK.

Sadly i do not think the media are really helping playing clips of obviously distraut family making comments like this.

jjones

rubbish, the 3 year old was being supervised by the 2 year old twins.

bartmanuk

bullsh*t, when on holiday most people are more relaxed, if you see a picture of the resort, all that was between the restaurant and their apartment was a swimming pool, think about it, 40 yards is not alot.

Turbohot

I never saw the interview. I understand what you are saying about this "not my fault" attitude. Of course, at such early stage, local police shouldn't be criticised. Negative comments against the parents on this thread could have something to do with that interview as well as the perception of the parents being VERY negligent.

bartmanuk

you think its something to joke about do you mate?

jjones

firstly i am not your "mate"

and secondly i hope the girl gets back safely and then the parents are dealt with as they are clearly unfit parents.

jjones

ah keyboard warrior, explains a lot

The Zohan

Maybe some, maybe you are happy to do this. I take my kids and the responsibility very seriouly, my kids are 4 & 2 and i do not leave them unsupervised for 30 mins anywhere, certianly not in a strange room whilst on holiday!

I am foff to a 4 y/o's party today with a lot of adults attending, i will not be abandoning my kids for 30 mins alone during this. They will not be glued to my side but i will know where they are, if i do not the Jenny will.

Maybe you are judging this by your standards, i am by mine and i am not exactly PC.

This is all hypothetical anyhow and hardly worth getting wound up over, all that matter is the child is returned OK!

Scoobless

God i do love the keyboard warriors

I'm not a member of the Pc Brigade,but obviously my standards of bringing up a child far exceeds yours...

bartmanuk

what do you mean im not your mate, GROW UP

bartmanuk

DONT START INSULTING PEOPLE YOU DONT KNOW ME OR WHAT IM ABOUT, THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE IS YOU CANT BLAME THE PARENTS WHEN YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS, THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME IS THE SCUMBAG NONCE WHO TOOK THE POOR LITTLE THING.

Scoobless

I think it was yourself that came on here all guns blazing first....
Congrats you have found your caps button...well done

Yes the scumbag is too blame,but so are the parents...but you can't seem to comprehend that idea

The Zohan

And you are defending the parents even though as you admit you do not know the facts either!

Your take is different from other peoples, as i pointed out a few posts back it takes a set of conditions to allow this to happen.

All please do not allow this to trun into a slanging match. The subject is important and deserves better consideration that that, take a strep back, roundly we all agree some scumbag has done this.

The circumstances will all come out in the next week or so.

Lets just hope and prey she does turn up OK!
That's is all that matters

jjones

CAPS LOCK

Prince Popeye

Actually i am a parent. I probably would have done the same if the restaurant was so near. Does that make me irresponsible if i'm checking them every 15? erm no.

Did my parents check me every 15 mins at night when i was 3? Nope they slept at night like most people. You can't wrap kids in cotton wool all your life for the what ifs.

Like i said wrong place wrong time.

jjones

oh you are a gem, so it's ok to say "you need a slap" then?

Scoobless

Well i wouldn't ...we all have our different takes on this...there is a huge difference from being asleep in the same house than leaving them there to go eat at a restaraunt,no matter how close

Good for you that you can feel safe that your children are ok without supervision alone...i unfortunately cannot,as i have stated too many wierdo's about

Fart Man

Indeed, the way I saw this inccident though was with a semi-open mind, owing that I do not have the full facts and needing a sack of salt when it comes to reading/watching anything presented on the UK media. However that particular interview (shown live this morning) just hit home what my initial gut feeling was, and that at least she was of that percieved "someone else's problem" stereotype. Now, granted the rest her family may not be the same. But there is no doubt she didn't present a good image of them. And if the girl's parents have the same attitude well, I'll stand wholeheartedly on my initial statement.

Remember, one can love a child, but at the same time not care for it properly.

Prince Popeye

I can understand where you self-righteous lot are coming from. Living in your own utopia you get this image that the world is full of weirdos and your offspring need monitoring every 5 mins. I hope your kids are playing next to the PC as you don't want to loose sight of em.

Branding these parents unfit is like categorising them with parents who beat their kids etc etc. Hardly fair.Views like Scoobyless seem very tunnelled visioned and neurotic.

Scoobless

In your opinion...i do not think i have tunnelled vision concerning my child...i do not let my child go out and roam the street,get involved with the wrong crowd,drugs,smoking,drinking etc all at the tender age of 7....this was how i was brought up by my parents...and neither would i leave them alone in a house at the age of 2 and 3....if you had any you would know they need monitoring quite a fair bit when they are young,and face it maybe if the poor girl hadn't been left alone to fend for herself then maybe she would still be with her parents.

Prince Popeye

Who said anything about roaming the streets and getting involved with the wrong crowd? lol overreaction or what. As for monitoring it appears they were checking the kids every 15 mins so where you get this fantasy that the children were left alone to fend for themselves is beyond me.

Maybe if your parents had to let you see the bigger picture in the world outside your home, you wouldn't think it was full of weirdos out to get yah!!!!! lol

Infractfree

I don't know how many of you know this area well, but I do. Very well in fact as I own a property in the Luz area and spend months there when I'm 'off contract'.

As far as I'm aware there up until 2 months ago there is no 'tapas bar' where you can sit and have a view of the door of the Mark Warner complex. Just to correct some of the statements on here.
They cannot have been watching the door or apartment as they ate and drank. Also while I think it was unwise leaving the girl it's understandable and now they are paying the price for their decision. It's very sad and it goes without saying that I hope she's found safe and well soon.