Chip Sengravy

136 words, one comma, 2 failed attempts to bybass the swear filter, no real answer to any of my arguments whatsoever, and to finish off, a pathetic insult

If this is the standard of nugget in command of 40T of rolling metal on our roads, god help us.


How do you deem 12ft a safe distance, when it has already been said several times ( in defence of you HGV drivers ), that you have massive stopping distances ?


I've never driven anything bigger than PLG, but I appreciate there is skill to proper HGV driving. I mean, keeping awake in lane 1 at 56mph after 14 rashers of bacon, 7 eggs,and half a loaf of fried bread, all washed down with 2 mugs of caffiene weak pi55sy tea brewed from an 18" square teabag in a pot that could encompass a lazy turn in of the QEII, must take some doing.

I beginning to wonder if the grudge HGV drivers have over car drivers is just jealousy? Stuck in that stinky cab all day and night, with only a copy of Razzle and 12v telly with a bad aeriel and 7" screen for company, can't be much fun.

Double standards rule the road for HGV aswell......Stupid stunts that HGV's do don't cause so much as a ruffle to another wagon driver, but the minute an old doris pulls in in front of them it's Armageddon Now, horns & lights blazing.

mart360

If lorry dirivers are meant to be so special, and have A+ driving skills, why do they sit inches off your bumper when they pull up behind you, leave pulling out when overtaking a car to the last minute, so that you get sunburn from the headlamps!! and then use there 40 tonnes of bulk to either encourage you to go faster, when you want to do 56 in a 60, or decide to block you in a mobile chicane???

given that there all governed to 60mph, why cant they be limited to the inside lane only... prehaps roads like the A34 wouldnt be so blocked when they try to overtake on hills


Mart

scoobynutta555

I've seen this loads of times, especially on the M1. To me it's quite dangerous for 2 wagons to block 3 lanes of a motorway and preventing filtering in front of them.

While I'm here, I've seen 2 posts saying as a FACT accidents involving lorries are mostly down to car drivers. Please tell me where these 'facts' are from.

dsmith

I take you have never once driven on the A14. Every few years the orwell bridge needs inspection which needs roadworks etc.

Every time - some lorry driver thinks hes helping by blocking the outside line miles from the roadworks, totally ignoring the 12ft high "use both lanes" signs. It extends the length of the Queue and as soon as the queue hits critical junctions either side the whole area just stops. no-one moves anywhere. Well thank you mister neanderthal truck driver.

Steve vRS

I was once driving up the M180 when the outside lane was closed. An arctic pulled out on me and ran me into the grass beside on the central reservation. I saw red, stopped my car in front of the truck and got out (we were crawling along at less than a few mph). He mouthed off at me from his cab and I yelled back at him. He refused to get out of his cab. I got into my car, merged in to the traffic and watched this twonk in my door mirror block the outside lane as we trundled on for 2 mile. It was afterwards (as it always is) that I relaised how daft I was.

I seem to remember it was a transporter with a load of Audis and VWs coming from Imingham docks probably.

Steve

Bodgit

If this is the case surely this means you were not observing far enough up the road.

However may I add in the defence of Lorry drivers that there are too many of the car driving community that are ignorant to the fact that HGV's have different speedlimits to car drivers. Be honest, who as a car driver remembers that on a single carriageway national speed limit we can do 60mph and HGV's are only allowed by law to do 40 mph (thanks Beamer). Perhaps the answer to this is HGV should have markings on the back reminding us this is the case.

badbaz

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These topics pop up on forums all the time - same comments every time - ill advised and irate drivers of cars commenting on ALL LGV drivers - like cars, taxis, buses, etc. there are idiots driving every size of vehicle.

If you haven't driven an LGV you cannot comment on the circumstances of driving one! As has been said here a special set of circumstances are involved which most non LGV drivers have no idea of.

Think for a minute about all your demands for limits on trucks - they pay more road tax, fuel tax, deliver mostly everything you have, eat, can see around you - we need them, and should respect them - if only for the potential damage they may cause you if you should ever tango with one.

beamer

I'm pretty sure that HGV are restricted to 40mph on single carridgeways?

I drive a 7.5 tonne truck and a holder of a Hazchem license, and feel that speed restrictors should be classed on weight! My truck is restricted to 56mph but not coaches carrying 40 plus people on board can do 70!!

I'm sure that I was told in a recent meeting that it will be that all HGV's will be restricted to lane 1 on motorways by law soon?

And as to those who feel that the Freight should delivered by rail, can you tell me where every shopping centre in the country has a railway next to it?

Brit_in_Japan

British drivers need to be educated about "Merge in Turn". I actually think the term is a bit ambiguous as I used to think of "turn" as in "bend", which of course makes no sense. Instead they should call it a zip merge, as I believe they call it in North America. If everyone drove to the merge point and then merged strictly one from left, one from right, it would be an entirely fair system. Instead people have the mindset that others are pushing in, which is de facto the case if people merge before the merge point!

speye91

40mph limit on Single carrageways,there not restricted to that,like you said there restricted to 56mph,as i know limiters can be fiddled with so easy all you need is a biro pen top.

2 lanes here in Co Durham are restricting HGV'S to one lane on inclines,and i have noticed the difference.

scoobynutta555

Any news on the statistics that show most crashes involving lorries are the result of car drivers?

Chip Sengravy

I think those stats have run out of time on the tacho. Probably be here sometime tuesday

scoob_babe

Well, one of Britain's well known bakery chains ran their routes in such a way that the only way the drivers could make all the deliveries was to cut short their legal rest breaks. Friend quit because of it.

Jerome

Too right he quit. The Royal Mail, for instance, run their routes to fit around drivers breaks. They are even more strict than the law allows.

Jerome

Using google I found this (from here):

Heavy Goods Vehicles

4% of fatal & serious casualties involved HGV’s; two thirds of these were out with urban areas. In only 34% of the HGV crashes was the HGV driver deemed to be at fault

scoobynutta555

An interesting site. It doesn't say what the causes were for the rest of the 66% was, or even what % was down to car drivers. There are a multiplicity of reasons to fill that missing percentage including mechanical failure, pedestrian/motorcyclying/cycling/other HGV drivers fault, including of course car drivers.

I still await facts supporting the view mentioned on here twice, that the majority of HGV accidents are the reults of cars.

Luan Pra bang

Lothian & Borders Police is where that link is from not really that relevent to the discussion. Government stats indicate that 3.7% of UK HGV drivers stopped are driving over hours compared to 12.5% of non uk drivers though.

Hoppy

There are ***** in every form of transport - cars, white van man, truckers, bikers... you name it.

But what happens to common courtesy when we get behind the wheel? It effects everybody, but truckers more than any according to my experience. If you have a faster truck up your ****, back off for five seconds, leave a sensible gap, problem solved. Easy.

I used to drive a camper van for several years with big trailer when my son was kart racing. Life in the slow lane is a different driving expereince for sure , but a bit of understanding and consideration from both sides keeps everything moving efficiently.

It's really not difficult and doesn't require any legislation (which is coming in on the A14 soon, I believe) and actually speeds your progress.

Still confused why there are so may ar5eholes on the road causing constant frustration and occasional tragedy when the answer is under your right foot

Richard.

scoobyfrankie

exactly what he said

scoobyfrankie

Isn't that a bit stereotypical mate? not everybody drives like an idiot. i for one like many other peolple in the job have been trained on fuel consumption/economy get to 56mph stick the cruise control on, overtake when necessary even if it is just at 0.5mph if we backed off and didnt overtake then everybody would be stuck behind the slowest lorry on the motorway

cw42

iTrader: (1)

Kings of the road? I don't think so


What is it with driving standards these days. Lorry drivers and Taxi drivers, 2 of the worse culprits IMHO when it comes to standards of driving on our roads today. Everytime I'm behind any of those 2, I give them plenty of room.

scoobyfrankie

well sai d mate

Chip Sengravy

Am I upgraded from **** status now?......

....now you need to prove a point that all you HGV drivers are not the pea brained, selfish, road going ignoramus's that you are being accused of in this thread?

badbaz

iTrader: (17)

Selfish?

What is the stopping distance of 44 tons at 56mph? I don't know the figure, but I do know from driving these vehicles that it is fractionally more than my STi! When on the motorway, at 56mph, minding your gap, approaching a junction, from nowhere Stirling Moss cuts from lane 3 straight into 1 in your adequate gap, hard on the anchors mind, which has just cut your safety margin! Now I'm assessing my options cause I'm not leaving at the next junction - so I lift as Mansell steams in behind Moss, again hard on the slammers - in the meantime I've checked minimum 4 mirrors for clowns (coz let's face it they can be anywhere at any time) and can't move out because of Mrs (I'm going to the big city and my husband told me just to get on the motorway and stay in lane 2 and I'll be fine, but I don't actually go fast enough to pass anything even trucks and have no concept of keep left unless turning right and that there is no slow lane, but anything other than lane 1 are for overtaking only) Shopalot is shadowing me about 2/3 of the way back like a bodyguard. So now I've got to brake and that creates a chain of drivers behind braking coz they've seen a brake light ahead! Then I've got to signal and move out to lane two, because Fittipaldi, Button, Hamilton et al have just remembered where they work and have filled my safety margin beyond it's capacity. But, I've lost some speed now and I'm out there in lane two just so as not to run into the inevitable tailback on the slip road and up into lane 1. I've got to build speed again and from 40 mph, 44 tons doesn't reach 56mph just as quickly as the STi and I ain't lucky enough to be out in my 660bhp Volvo today! But, ho hum - I know I'm the most selfish driver in miles, because it says so here!

Why don't you think for a minute the next time you dive in front of 44 tons and hit the brakes. Maybe he's just had enough of this happening every minute of every day and holds off the brakes a few moments extra - who do you think is going to come off the worst - not him.....

The inconsiderate car drivers are the selfish ones!

Sonic'

Ill tell you what it isn't

It isn't the maximum of 12 feet all you wagon drivers leave behind each other

Or are all the other wagon drivers the mansell's button;s hamiltons etc you mention in your post??

Simon 69

Steve, what's the reason for your anti-HGV feeling? To suggest that all LGV drivers are the same is ridiculous.

I could have a large accident every day and each one would be caused by an imbecile in a car (or maybe a 'lorry' that can be driven on a car licence).

This thread is as full of foolish postings as the 'does pushing in at the head of a lane closure cause congestion?' thread.....


Simon

Sonic'

There seems to be a few HGV drivers on here, but not one has explained yet to anyone why there is a need to drive so close to another wagon, yet you all keep bleating on about stopping distances

Also no one has explained why they feel the need to spend 10 miles overtaking another wagon at 0.000001mph faster, causing congestion behind them

Ive seen this time and time again, and usually once the first wagon has finished his 25 minute overtaking manouvre, the wagon that has just been overtook starts his overtaking manouvre on the wagon that has just got passed him

I could have a large accident every day, each one would have been caused by an imbecile in charge of 40 tonnes of metal no doubt

Simon 69

You havent answered my question, youve just carried on in the same manner.

Bubba po

Chip Sengravy's got banned, presumably over this thread.

Well done, fellas.

Jamo

iTrader: (23)

I am so surprised by the small minded comments being made on here about HGV drivers.

Actually disapointed with some comments made by some members on here I thought they had more about them.