My P1 vs M3 CSL vs FQ340
21 April 2007, 09:29 PM
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21 April 2007, 09:52 PM
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Go back and do better!!!
I spent two laps chasing a modded 380bhp Evo 6GSR around silverstone in my 310bhp TypeR. He let me by in the end and I pulled out a lead.
Afterwards he was most disbelieving that my car was not modded more.
But then, I know mine was Dynoed at 310, so many people have 'approximate power'. 380 could easily have been 360 on another dyno.
Oh yeah!
I also had big AP brakes and Leda shocks. But surely they just made my car heavier????
and go round bends faster !
22 April 2007, 01:11 AM
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It was me chief! now going by the assumption his car weighs a 1000kg with around 350bhp, these are the figures shown by letstorquebhp.com
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 350
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1000
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 355.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.24
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.33
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.09
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.49
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 115.70
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.29
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 117.85
Now here are the figures for my car
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 392
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1270
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 313.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.47
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.84
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.37
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.08
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 116.90
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.68
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 120.92
Now i fail to see how he would pass like i was standing still! As for the twisties, why take it on to a little circuit? obviously a smaller more agile car will have an advantage there, now on a bigger circuit such as the ring, do you really think he would run rings round me???
As for me thinking the impreza is the best thing since sliced bread, you are sadly mistaken and fail to see how you came to that conculsion but for the money and performance you get they are pretty decent.
Banny
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 350
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1000
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 355.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.24
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.33
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.09
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.49
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 115.70
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.29
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 117.85
Now here are the figures for my car
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 392
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1270
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 313.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.47
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.84
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.37
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.08
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 116.90
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.68
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 120.92
Now i fail to see how he would pass like i was standing still! As for the twisties, why take it on to a little circuit? obviously a smaller more agile car will have an advantage there, now on a bigger circuit such as the ring, do you really think he would run rings round me???
As for me thinking the impreza is the best thing since sliced bread, you are sadly mistaken and fail to see how you came to that conculsion but for the money and performance you get they are pretty decent.
Banny
right, is your car a prove 350bhp, coz my gut feeling is that your talking out your bottom.
you have put the figures into a little web based calculator which to be fair, is a n estimate. a fast car is nothing with out a driver, its a combination thing.
1/4 miles mean nothing, your car would have it off the mark, there are traction issues with FWD, but then you knew that...
YouTube - Peugeot 106 @ Castle Donnington April 2007
yeah, most technical circuits i think the 106 in question would run rings round you
22 April 2007, 09:52 AM
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At the end of the day, with three cars with such similar power, I don't think anything concrete can be proved without timing equipment, a track, a runway and the same driver in each car. Kev, did you try the 30-100 more than once? My guess is that the result could be different every time. For example, if you're off boost and you delay your start by just a fraction of a second, I reckon it could be the difference between coming first and not.
22 April 2007, 02:03 PM
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right, is your car a prove 350bhp, coz my gut feeling is that your talking out your bottom.
you have put the figures into a little web based calculator which to be fair, is a n estimate. a fast car is nothing with out a driver, its a combination thing.
1/4 miles mean nothing, your car would have it off the mark, there are traction issues with FWD, but then you knew that...
YouTube - Peugeot 106 @ Castle Donnington April 2007
yeah, most technical circuits i think the 106 in question would run rings round you
you have put the figures into a little web based calculator which to be fair, is a n estimate. a fast car is nothing with out a driver, its a combination thing.
1/4 miles mean nothing, your car would have it off the mark, there are traction issues with FWD, but then you knew that...
YouTube - Peugeot 106 @ Castle Donnington April 2007
yeah, most technical circuits i think the 106 in question would run rings round you
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22 April 2007, 02:10 PM
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would still wipe the floor with you ya pratt
oh, sorry, ive just been informed that you do in fact have the fastest car on the face of gods green earth....
go give your head a wobble FFS
oh, sorry, ive just been informed that you do in fact have the fastest car on the face of gods green earth....
go give your head a wobble FFS
22 April 2007, 04:38 PM
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At the end of the day, with three cars with such similar power, I don't think anything concrete can be proved without timing equipment, a track, a runway and the same driver in each car. Kev, did you try the 30-100 more than once? My guess is that the result could be different every time. For example, if you're off boost and you delay your start by just a fraction of a second, I reckon it could be the difference between coming first and not.
but i was shifting at 6500rpm
lol
22 April 2007, 06:54 PM
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I have a cunning plan to fit indicator bulbs to all the M3's in Britain. (It was a factory option apparently).Then they would have no choice but to indicate and move out of the way into the slower lanes....
Its as sly as Doctor Slinky McFox....
22 April 2007, 09:38 PM
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I think it was John Banks who sold his M3 in favour of an Evo 8 as the power couldnt be used on twisty roads - which I could quite see. Ok, you can push it but you are risking the safety of everyone else in the process!
Much more can be extracted from wet slippy roads in AWD.
I know coming from an S2000...
Much more can be extracted from wet slippy roads in AWD.
I know coming from an S2000...
22 April 2007, 09:45 PM
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Turbo/Supercharge an MGB-GT V8 to say ~350bhp on standard suspension, it's a powerful rear drive car. Will it handle well?
Good handling is dependent on so much more than which wheels are driven, geometry, weight (unsprung, gross vehicle, distribution and location), tyres and suspenion components etc. Sure a well designed and set up rwd will beat a poorly designed and set up 4wd, but the reverse is eqally true.
23 April 2007, 07:36 AM
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[QUOTE]I spent two laps chasing a modded 380bhp Evo 6GSR around silverstone in my 310bhp TypeR[QUOTE]
LMFAO he clearly couldn't drive! My Evo 6 was 340ish and ran rings round any Type-R or P1 I had a play with... getting it back on Thur 400ish bhp, should be fun
LMFAO he clearly couldn't drive! My Evo 6 was 340ish and ran rings round any Type-R or P1 I had a play with... getting it back on Thur 400ish bhp, should be fun
23 April 2007, 09:50 PM
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Yet another piece of absolute B*ll*x generalisations, provided free for your entertainment by scoobynet.
Turbo/Supercharge an MGB-GT V8 to say ~350bhp on standard suspension, it's a powerful rear drive car. Will it handle well?
Good handling is dependent on so much more than which wheels are driven, geometry, weight (unsprung, gross vehicle, distribution and location), tyres and suspenion components etc. Sure a well designed and set up rwd will beat a poorly designed and set up 4wd, but the reverse is eqally true.
Turbo/Supercharge an MGB-GT V8 to say ~350bhp on standard suspension, it's a powerful rear drive car. Will it handle well?
Good handling is dependent on so much more than which wheels are driven, geometry, weight (unsprung, gross vehicle, distribution and location), tyres and suspenion components etc. Sure a well designed and set up rwd will beat a poorly designed and set up 4wd, but the reverse is eqally true.
Yes perhaps it was generalistic God of the Underworld but you cannot defy physics even with your immortality. A four wheel drive chassis will have inherent understeer, a rear wheel drive chassis will have inherent oversteer. This is with a good set up on both cars, which given the nature of the discussion and the cars aforementioned was obvious(
). The four wheel drive will afford more grip but not necessarily better handling.
Last edited by Maz; 23 April 2007 at 09:58 PM.