My P1 vs M3 CSL vs FQ340
13 April 2007, 12:25 PM
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i really dont know why any of you entertain Audilover, hes a total ****
who cares what he drives, clearly it aint very quick, those that brag n all that ****..... Av seen his bull**** far to manytimes before to even bother caring....
No, to the point in question, ad say the P1 will probably have the edge, it would be no walk in the park though, plus you have to bear in mind that the CSL is restricted, what will a P1 do top end, will it get over and avove 155?
i dont think the evo will be far behind you at all though.
as for the seat ibiza cupra, cant remember who said that one wouldnt pass his 400bhp scoob, how nieve are you mate. for a start, i know a lad from the boro area ANDY DEA who has a yllow ICR, and it most certainly would pass your car in a straight line, 4oobhp or not. And before you start banging on about the twisties, ive saved the bast till last, take it onto a littl circuit and i know of a certain lads little dinky 106 that would run rings round your car, and its still an N/A 1600 engine.
which would i rather have, your scoob probably (unless its a bugeye) and most definatly still take my totally standard MY05WRX PPP over the 2.
but just be aware that just because colin McRea once was a rally champion in a subaru, doesnt make them the fastest things on the road
who cares what he drives, clearly it aint very quick, those that brag n all that ****..... Av seen his bull**** far to manytimes before to even bother caring....
No, to the point in question, ad say the P1 will probably have the edge, it would be no walk in the park though, plus you have to bear in mind that the CSL is restricted, what will a P1 do top end, will it get over and avove 155?
i dont think the evo will be far behind you at all though.
as for the seat ibiza cupra, cant remember who said that one wouldnt pass his 400bhp scoob, how nieve are you mate. for a start, i know a lad from the boro area ANDY DEA who has a yllow ICR, and it most certainly would pass your car in a straight line, 4oobhp or not. And before you start banging on about the twisties, ive saved the bast till last, take it onto a littl circuit and i know of a certain lads little dinky 106 that would run rings round your car, and its still an N/A 1600 engine.
which would i rather have, your scoob probably (unless its a bugeye) and most definatly still take my totally standard MY05WRX PPP over the 2.
but just be aware that just because colin McRea once was a rally champion in a subaru, doesnt make them the fastest things on the road
13 April 2007, 01:23 PM
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13 April 2007, 01:42 PM
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i didnt see that one, must have been reading this blonde lol
back in ya box ya moron
A IHI seat ibiza would beat each of those cars in a roll on race. Straight line is nothing lets talk nurburgring. AND DIESELS
1. CSL
2. P1/Evo Debatable
1. CSL
2. P1/Evo Debatable
back in ya box ya moron
13 April 2007, 01:48 PM
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The P1 will win full stop. Don't listen to all this rubish about the CSL being quicker over 140mph because it won't. My P1 was running less power than you and at that speed my P1 was quicker than a CSL.
As for the FQ340, no worries. I've had a play with a 380bhp + Evo 8 and there was nothing in it so I wouldn't worry about anything with less power.
As for the FQ340, no worries. I've had a play with a 380bhp + Evo 8 and there was nothing in it so I wouldn't worry about anything with less power.
in the dry CSL
in the wet both Japs would have the CSL
13 April 2007, 01:57 PM
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14 April 2007, 10:54 AM
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I do worry for the Subaru community - Once the new shape Impreza turns up AudiLover will have easy pickings 
All this talk of fast Seats etc is rubbish, they are a teenagers hot hatch. No matter how fast they go I dont think they would ever be considered by most grown men as nice cars to own. Unless they are talking about teenagers owning them.
On Topic - The P1 would be fastest down the drag strip imo.
All this talk of fast Seats etc is rubbish, they are a teenagers hot hatch. No matter how fast they go I dont think they would ever be considered by most grown men as nice cars to own. Unless they are talking about teenagers owning them.
On Topic - The P1 would be fastest down the drag strip imo.
14 April 2007, 11:05 AM
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A lot, especially the classic and bugeye models are owned by 'chavs' on council estates, with 5'' drain pipes, atmospheric valves and lexus lights. Is that a stereotype What is wrong with fast Seats? Leon Cupra R and new Leon cupra models are certainly not owned by ''teenagers''.Spend £500 on them and it takes a good impreza to match 1 and an even better 1 to pull past them. Not bad for a spanish family hatch
10 yrs ago i wouldn't have been seen dead in a SEAT, but times have moved on, the seat sport range is very appealing and as they are now part of the vag group, the reliability of them is excellent. Look under the bonnet of a SEAT today and your looking straight at audi engineering. 99% the same. A lot of components in the engine bays are actually stamped with the audi logo.
The 1.8t 150bhp engine can be tuned to 350bhp RELIABLY without changing a single component internally speaks for itself. How many other engines are capable of this? Its only a matter of time before we find out the tuning potential of the new VAG 2.0t fsi engine, Audi S3/Leon cupra are already getting 330bhp with usual bolt on mods.
Alot of people are still stuck in the 90's when the impreza used to own the road. Times have moved on and the VAG range of cars are certainly impressing by todays standards
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14 April 2007, 11:40 AM
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Id say your P1 Kev, you got more power then the other 2, and your car is lighter!!!
Just a quick question to anyone who can answer, If everyone is saying the M3 CSL will be quicker after 130mph, I thought they where limited to 155mph, If thats the case how would the M3 start to pull away, last time I looked the scooby doesnt just stop dead at 130mph!!!!!
Just a quick question to anyone who can answer, If everyone is saying the M3 CSL will be quicker after 130mph, I thought they where limited to 155mph, If thats the case how would the M3 start to pull away, last time I looked the scooby doesnt just stop dead at 130mph!!!!!
will go quicker than 155mph if left in 5th
the launch control system on the csl has to be experianced though.
14 April 2007, 11:55 AM
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A car length or 2 perhaps but ''eat'' Maybe he's exaggerating his power, as to be fair cars should be near identical in performance if both a genuine 350.
Remember FQ has quite a bit more weight compared with sub 1300kg P1
Standard P1 vs Standard Evo 6. I do think P1 is slightly quicker
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14 April 2007, 12:08 PM
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Standard P1 0-60 4.7 ,Evo 6 4.4
Mine certainly felt quicker than the 2 P1's I looked at,and it was standard when I bought it. Ok maybe doesn't eat my mates STi but certainly pulls ahead
Mine certainly felt quicker than the 2 P1's I looked at,and it was standard when I bought it. Ok maybe doesn't eat my mates STi but certainly pulls ahead
350+ in 750 kg, yea right do the math, your head's so far up your own ar$e, bet you can eat and crap at the same time
14 April 2007, 12:21 PM
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14 April 2007, 12:52 PM
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I assume you are talking about in a 'pub talk' straight line ? Then the P1 perhaps although I'd be interested in the comparison with the Evo.
Put them all on Nordschleife - and the P1 will come last.
Put them all on Nordschleife - and the P1 will come last.
14 April 2007, 03:37 PM
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i really dont know why any of you entertain Audilover, hes a total ****
who cares what he drives, clearly it aint very quick, those that brag n all that ****..... Av seen his bull**** far to manytimes before to even bother caring....
No, to the point in question, ad say the P1 will probably have the edge, it would be no walk in the park though, plus you have to bear in mind that the CSL is restricted, what will a P1 do top end, will it get over and avove 155?
i dont think the evo will be far behind you at all though.
as for the seat ibiza cupra, cant remember who said that one wouldnt pass his 400bhp scoob, how nieve are you mate. for a start, i know a lad from the boro area ANDY DEA who has a yllow ICR, and it most certainly would pass your car in a straight line, 4oobhp or not. And before you start banging on about the twisties, ive saved the bast till last, take it onto a littl circuit and i know of a certain lads little dinky 106 that would run rings round your car, and its still an N/A 1600 engine.
which would i rather have, your scoob probably (unless its a bugeye) and most definatly still take my totally standard MY05WRX PPP over the 2.
but just be aware that just because colin McRea once was a rally champion in a subaru, doesnt make them the fastest things on the road
who cares what he drives, clearly it aint very quick, those that brag n all that ****..... Av seen his bull**** far to manytimes before to even bother caring....
No, to the point in question, ad say the P1 will probably have the edge, it would be no walk in the park though, plus you have to bear in mind that the CSL is restricted, what will a P1 do top end, will it get over and avove 155?
i dont think the evo will be far behind you at all though.
as for the seat ibiza cupra, cant remember who said that one wouldnt pass his 400bhp scoob, how nieve are you mate. for a start, i know a lad from the boro area ANDY DEA who has a yllow ICR, and it most certainly would pass your car in a straight line, 4oobhp or not. And before you start banging on about the twisties, ive saved the bast till last, take it onto a littl circuit and i know of a certain lads little dinky 106 that would run rings round your car, and its still an N/A 1600 engine.
which would i rather have, your scoob probably (unless its a bugeye) and most definatly still take my totally standard MY05WRX PPP over the 2.
but just be aware that just because colin McRea once was a rally champion in a subaru, doesnt make them the fastest things on the road
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 350
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1000
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 355.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.24
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.33
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.09
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.49
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 115.70
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.29
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 117.85
Now here are the figures for my car
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 392
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1270
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 313.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.47
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.84
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.37
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.08
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 116.90
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.68
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 120.92
Now i fail to see how he would pass like i was standing still! As for the twisties, why take it on to a little circuit? obviously a smaller more agile car will have an advantage there, now on a bigger circuit such as the ring, do you really think he would run rings round me???
As for me thinking the impreza is the best thing since sliced bread, you are sadly mistaken and fail to see how you came to that conculsion but for the money and performance you get they are pretty decent.
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14 April 2007, 04:05 PM
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This argument is not really straight forward and has a lot of variables in it.
Ok here is what i think.
A P1 pushing that sort of power would trounce an M3 CSL or not on acceleration and around a mid size track i would expect the outcome to be the same, The Evo IMO woudl not be far behind.
However somewhere like the Ring, and this is going off what people have told me is the CSL's are an awesome bit of kit and lets face it people who own these are a bit more hardcore than your normal M3 Driver and who is to say they dont de-limit them. then they are a genuine 170mph+ car plus Subarus do not like sustained 130mph+ blasts like this and on the ring well it would be spending a lot of its time at potentially engine damaging speeds.
As for a Seat well i've no doubt they can be made very quick but round a track with FWD i cant see it being made to handle with or put the power down with 400 bhp through the front wheels - understeer city.
Not knocking the Scoob though (i own one) i just cant see it beating a CSL at somewhere like the ring, but they can punch well above their weight though.
Check out this lightly modded STI up against a 450bhp 911 Turbo - check out the lap times..... having said that it is our very own nutter 'Supertouring'
http://www.scoobysmacs.co.uk/Videos/Donnington.wmv
Ok here is what i think.
A P1 pushing that sort of power would trounce an M3 CSL or not on acceleration and around a mid size track i would expect the outcome to be the same, The Evo IMO woudl not be far behind.
However somewhere like the Ring, and this is going off what people have told me is the CSL's are an awesome bit of kit and lets face it people who own these are a bit more hardcore than your normal M3 Driver and who is to say they dont de-limit them. then they are a genuine 170mph+ car plus Subarus do not like sustained 130mph+ blasts like this and on the ring well it would be spending a lot of its time at potentially engine damaging speeds.
As for a Seat well i've no doubt they can be made very quick but round a track with FWD i cant see it being made to handle with or put the power down with 400 bhp through the front wheels - understeer city.
Not knocking the Scoob though (i own one) i just cant see it beating a CSL at somewhere like the ring, but they can punch well above their weight though.
Check out this lightly modded STI up against a 450bhp 911 Turbo - check out the lap times.....
having said that it is our very own nutter 'Supertouring'http://www.scoobysmacs.co.uk/Videos/Donnington.wmv
14 April 2007, 04:09 PM
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Staffi are you sure your Tommi was running right? My mate's STi v2 is an RA and my Evo is a fair distance in front by 100, he has dyno printouts etc showing 353 bhp atfw... also he reckons the RA tops out at 120... I certainly can't possibly imagine a 370+ Evo being slower than a 320bhp RA, when mine is similar power to my mates RA and pulls away comfortably. My mate's is definitely a genuine RA, no leccy windows, no sideskirts, black wing mirrors, dccd etc etc
His mods are full exhaust, bigger injectors, front mount, bigger turbo (no idea what) Apexi Power FC etc
His mods are full exhaust, bigger injectors, front mount, bigger turbo (no idea what) Apexi Power FC etc
14 April 2007, 04:17 PM
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Staffi are you sure your Tommi was running right? My mate's STi v2 is an RA and my Evo is a fair distance in front by 100, he has dyno printouts etc showing 353 bhp atfw... also he reckons the RA tops out at 120... I certainly can't possibly imagine a 370+ Evo being slower than a 320bhp RA, when mine is similar power to my mates RA and pulls away comfortably. My mate's is definitely a genuine RA, no leccy windows, no sideskirts, black wing mirrors, dccd etc etc
His mods are full exhaust, bigger injectors, front mount, bigger turbo (no idea what) Apexi Power FC etc
His mods are full exhaust, bigger injectors, front mount, bigger turbo (no idea what) Apexi Power FC etc
Errrr, i`d say it was running right, it was all done by Mark Shead MA Developments, you`ve got to remeber 60- 70bhp difference dosen`t make a car staggeringly quicker, just take a look at last weeks time aatack results, the guy off here with his 380bhp subaru was only a few secs slower than Kev T27, in his 600bhp evo
and like i said this was upto 120+ i was commenting on, the gearing as you know on the RA`s is manic and the weight i`m saving in the RA it`s a quicker car to 120..
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Even 1st and 2nd gear I'm pulling from him, either he can't drive or my Evo's making more power than I thought, it's on 3" turbo back,induction,fuel pump, EcuTek, AVC-R 1.4bar so guessing 350ish bhp... although it's currently away getting HKS 272 cams and cam gears, Greddy hardpipes,a few other engine bits,and a re-map to 1.8 bar peak boost so be fun when it's back... oh yeh private track of course