My 535d Sport
02 April 2007, 11:07 PM
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You can get them properly chipped for much less than DMS... Traction is the thing with all that torque though - is it worth it? Anyway lovely car - you must pop over to clean my 530d M Sport soon! What a lovely balanced/handling car it is - so much better than the mess of an RS4 I had before it!
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03 April 2007, 10:51 AM
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I've not got less than 500 miles from a tank yet. Best was 578. I've never put more than 63 litres in to fill it up. I understand that it's got a 70 litre tank.
I'm clearly not driving it too hard
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03 April 2007, 11:26 AM
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Hi Steve,
If you cut me up I'd probably have blue and white blood running through my veins.
I used to get about the same as you from my E46 M3. I think that the best I managed was about 350, but that was mostly motorway mileage and not really what the M3 is all about.
To be honest, I'd have loved a 335d, but they were a bit pricey for me, as I'd be looking at £40k + to get a 335d with the same spec as my 535d! I'm sure that they'd suffer with some serious early life depreciation too.
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If you cut me up I'd probably have blue and white blood running through my veins.
I used to get about the same as you from my E46 M3. I think that the best I managed was about 350, but that was mostly motorway mileage and not really what the M3 is all about.
To be honest, I'd have loved a 335d, but they were a bit pricey for me, as I'd be looking at £40k + to get a 335d with the same spec as my 535d! I'm sure that they'd suffer with some serious early life depreciation too.
Cheers
Matt
03 April 2007, 12:34 PM
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Saw a 335D on the motorway, obviously just got it (07 plate) and he was booting it, up the inside, but then it is a BMW !
Looked very rapid, but then for 36 grand it should do, would love one of the lesser manufacturers to introduce a cheaper mega diesel but they all insist of front wheel drive.
I expect to see a lot more 335D's as the C/O is only 200 so as a tradeoff between company car tax and performance its pretty good, it does seem a bit ott when even the 320D is so good, but why not.
Looked very rapid, but then for 36 grand it should do, would love one of the lesser manufacturers to introduce a cheaper mega diesel but they all insist of front wheel drive.
I expect to see a lot more 335D's as the C/O is only 200 so as a tradeoff between company car tax and performance its pretty good, it does seem a bit ott when even the 320D is so good, but why not.
03 April 2007, 12:38 PM
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The 320D doesn't pin you in the seat at 90mph though I have to say, the 335D I was taken out in recently blew my socks off for performance. Fast to 60, and beyond that it was into hyperspace.
I have to say, the 335D I was taken out in recently blew my socks off for performance. Fast to 60, and beyond that it was into hyperspace.
03 April 2007, 02:03 PM
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It's the vRS effect. You think you have a fast diesel, then you go in something "properly" fast
Thing is, with the semi-auto box, it genuinely hits the performance times, as all the driver needs to do is press the loud pedal and hang on.
I've only had the one today... your Honour
Thing is, with the semi-auto box, it genuinely hits the performance times, as all the driver needs to do is press the loud pedal and hang on.
I've only had the one today... your Honour
03 April 2007, 02:46 PM
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Hi Steve,
If you cut me up I'd probably have blue and white blood running through my veins.
I used to get about the same as you from my E46 M3. I think that the best I managed was about 350, but that was mostly motorway mileage and not really what the M3 is all about.
To be honest, I'd have loved a 335d, but they were a bit pricey for me, as I'd be looking at £40k + to get a 335d with the same spec as my 535d! I'm sure that they'd suffer with some serious early life depreciation too.
Cheers
Matt
If you cut me up I'd probably have blue and white blood running through my veins.
I used to get about the same as you from my E46 M3. I think that the best I managed was about 350, but that was mostly motorway mileage and not really what the M3 is all about.
To be honest, I'd have loved a 335d, but they were a bit pricey for me, as I'd be looking at £40k + to get a 335d with the same spec as my 535d! I'm sure that they'd suffer with some serious early life depreciation too.
Cheers
Matt
My M3 lost the best part of £20k in its first year, bargain for me buying at a year old and 10k on the clock, but who in the right mind would lose that much so quickly!
I fancied the 535d, and nearly went down that route (took me 6 months to decide
), but the size of damn thing (touring) put me off. New 330D just didnt have the same driver feel as the M3, hence opted for the M3 Having driven the best part of 200 miles in the scoob yesterday, dog box, etc, etc, i was in heaven getting back into the M3 this morning
My BMW obviously had the recall, as i have found the indicator stalk, AND use it
03 April 2007, 03:47 PM
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LOLThe frightening depreciation was one factor that led to me selling my M3. Blew nearly £5k in 6 months and 9000 miles. Mine was a 54 plate and just 12 months old.
Hopefully the 535 will be a bit different. The previous owner had "lost" £1k per month for the first 21 months of ownership in depreciation alone!
It's now 23 months old with 43k miles on the clock. We'll see how things go from here................Matt
03 April 2007, 08:52 PM
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I think the difference in acceration, between the 535d and the 335d, is going to be very small, there's only about 100kg max between kerb weight.
535d - 0-62 = 6.5
335d - 0-62 = 6.2
bmw book stats, not much difference there really
535d - 0-62 = 6.5
335d - 0-62 = 6.2
bmw book stats, not much difference there really
03 April 2007, 10:15 PM
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04 April 2007, 03:50 PM
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My experiences are what you *thought* he meant though. I'm sure it's a perception thing - you think you're going a lot faster than you are. Assuming your 996 wasn't a turbo (and the other two were standard), the only thing straight-line quicker than my car is the RS6. I have put big clear air between myself and a 535d, and I would expect the RS6 to put a similar amount of clear air between myself and it, so I can't see how you can consider the 335d to be even close to the RS6!
I'm not dismissing your experiences, it's just they don't add up to me!
04 April 2007, 05:50 PM
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I looked at the 335D and was surprised when the salesman said, dont touch it unless you want to lose A LOT of money in the first year!
My M3 lost the best part of £20k in its first year, bargain for me buying at a year old and 10k on the clock, but who in the right mind would lose that much so quickly!
I fancied the 535d, and nearly went down that route (took me 6 months to decide), but the size of damn thing (touring) put me off. New 330D just didnt have the same driver feel as the M3, hence opted for the M3
Having driven the best part of 200 miles in the scoob yesterday, dog box, etc, etc, i was in heaven getting back into the M3 this morning
My BMW obviously had the recall, as i have found the indicator stalk, AND use it
My M3 lost the best part of £20k in its first year, bargain for me buying at a year old and 10k on the clock, but who in the right mind would lose that much so quickly!
I fancied the 535d, and nearly went down that route (took me 6 months to decide
), but the size of damn thing (touring) put me off. New 330D just didnt have the same driver feel as the M3, hence opted for the M3 Having driven the best part of 200 miles in the scoob yesterday, dog box, etc, etc, i was in heaven getting back into the M3 this morning
My BMW obviously had the recall, as i have found the indicator stalk, AND use it
I can't see how the 335d M Sports are going to be depreciation disasters. Admittedly they lose a huge chunk in the first 6 months but what new car doesn't?
You can buy a fully tooled up 335d M Sport for £37, 000
After 6 months judging by the Trader you can pick one up with not the greatest spec for £34, 000.
2 years down the line and I reckon you'll only lose about £8000 off a new price. Which ain't bad.
It's a practical saloon / toruing that does on average 35mpg and with a DMS chip can reach 0-60 in 5 seconds. Not to mention the smoother mid gear changes and huge dollops of overtaking power.
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04 April 2007, 08:10 PM
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Gary - I meant that I thought the vRS was a "quick" diesel... and that the 335D is properly fast.
I also have an Impreza Turbo, although nothing special, and I'm certain the Beemer would destroy it for everything but perhaps 0-60, and even then, I'd have to get the launch and gears bang on in the Scooby.
I also have an Impreza Turbo, although nothing special, and I'm certain the Beemer would destroy it for everything but perhaps 0-60, and even then, I'd have to get the launch and gears bang on in the Scooby.
05 April 2007, 10:03 AM
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The handling is a bone of contention. The Goodyeat NCT5 runflats aren't as bad as the Bridgestone RFT's but they're not brilliant. I have no issues with the ride quality or noise from the tyre. The main issue is on turn in. What the RFT's have are majorly stiff sidewalls. This makes understeer an everyday occurrance. A normal tyre would be mor compliant and aid turn in as well as mid corner grip. Too much stiffness is not a good thing in a tyre. Skittish is the word I'd use.
I may well change my wheel and tyre package for the 19" BMW alloys that are an option on the 5 series. Not only do they look better, but they come with "normal" tyres and not RFT's.
As far as the LSD goes, the answer is yes, I do miss it. I can't understand why BMW only fit them to the M cars and don't even offer LSD's as options on the less sporty models. It's one thing that would make the car more playful. It's not bad at all, but needlessly smokes the least loaded rear tyre out of junctions etc. Two black lines are better than one!
Overally though, it's a brilliant car. Much more so than the M3, which whilst it was great to have owned one, wasn't really a keeper in my opinion.
Hope you're still enjoying the Mitsi.
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07 April 2007, 12:16 AM
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Gary - I meant that I thought the vRS was a "quick" diesel... and that the 335D is properly fast.
I also have an Impreza Turbo, although nothing special, and I'm certain the Beemer would destroy it for everything but perhaps 0-60, and even then, I'd have to get the launch and gears bang on in the Scooby.
I also have an Impreza Turbo, although nothing special, and I'm certain the Beemer would destroy it for everything but perhaps 0-60, and even then, I'd have to get the launch and gears bang on in the Scooby.
My experiences are what you *thought* he meant though. I'm sure it's a perception thing - you think you're going a lot faster than you are. Assuming your 996 wasn't a turbo (and the other two were standard), the only thing straight-line quicker than my car is the RS6. I have put big clear air between myself and a 535d, and I would expect the RS6 to put a similar amount of clear air between myself and it, so I can't see how you can consider the 335d to be even close to the RS6!
I'm not dismissing your experiences, it's just they don't add up to me!
I'm not dismissing your experiences, it's just they don't add up to me!
My 996 was a 2003 C2 3.6, which ultimately (again when raggin'in it) was probably a touch faster than the RS6 but I don't think there was much in it. Wrong gear or sloppy change and the RS6 would be away.
Gary.
07 April 2007, 07:01 PM
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I posted this on another BMW forum as they'd asked aswell. The job I did on my old E90 is the same as I've just done on my 535.
No probs!
I used the following bits and pieces.
1 x 20mm wide paint brush - £5
1 x 5mm wide paint brush - £3
1 x Wire brush and some wire wool - £3
1 x Hammerite (smooth) Gold paint - £5.99
1 x Hammerite (smooth) Silver paint. - £5.99
Mix Silver and Gold paint in old jam jar. Approx 80% Silver and 20% Gold. Stir until thoroughly mixed together. Adjust quantities according to personal preference. I went for as close to OE look as possible. N.B The pad retainer is painted silver, as are the hubs. Only the caliper itself is painted in the Gold colour.
Calipers are painted in situ and therefore not removed. I didn't even bother masking the disk up etc. Thorougly wire brush and wire wool the caliper and remove excess corrosion with a flat-headed screw driver if required. Steel wool the hubs to remove rust.
Before painting. wash caliper with scrubbing brush, fairy liquid and hot water to degrease. Then allow to dry before painting caliper gold, pad retaining springs silver and hub silver.
Leave for 10 mins before re-mounting alloy. Naturally, you'll have cleaned the inside of the alloy and applied a layer of wax whilst waiting for the caliper to dry a little.
You can always go over the top and completely clean and detail the arch as below....
It takes about an hour per corner, so about half a day in total. The cost is that of the materials listed above and your time.
Cheers
Matt
