take your **** ant smiley faces with you aswell

 

This is more like your type of thread mate!

https://www.scoobynet.com/projects-4...oooooonnn.html

 

Extremely mature behaviour.

Apologies to the guys who were enjoying the thread.

 

Popping back to the techie bit:

The 1A's are all the same, really Rep tyres to last well, give a good allround performance, and all have wear rates of 280+ and Traction A.

Kumho's are iirc 80 and traction AA

Slicks are unrated!

In the good old days when 1A's were the Rule and we all had Bridgstone Pole Position (SO2's) when buffed to 4mm or less they were soooo much better than virgin new.
It will take a few years to buff my 1A's down....

As to Roy; he's an old duffer like me but with tallent, I'm just a touch younger, and he has little to prove does he?
Sure his crown is being slapped about a bit, but he did a bit of slapping to others when he did the tin-top class in the first place.

This is called progress and many travel the conveyor belt, Roy and I at the far end, Rob and Pete at the start.
It is great Roy can mix it with the Young Guns and rattle them a bit!


Pete:

You know an Impreza is a fab car now, so I'll swop you mine for yours...
The Grass is always greener on the other side of the Fence!
There are 3 serious Impreza's for sale right now and all but one is sub £10K, and one is Rob Walpole's old racer! (£7K)

See some of you at Loton next weekend where on Sunday I am An Official, so watch out.

 

You mean the "good but inaccurate" thread dont you

 

We'll disagree then Graham. He couldn't tickle the guys in the racing car class in the early 90's when he himself was younger.

 

Graham, your right the grass is always greener, i posted about his car from rob's place, just got back and popped my head in the garage and could never sell my car! It Just shocked me how good the car has become from when he first got it to now, and for half the cost of mine! I planted my foot up his private road and it was doing funny things with my face it felt so quick!

 

I now know what its like to pull a 1.8 - 1.9 64ft it feels bloody quick!

 

Spoon your choice to stay annoymous yet claim to know everyone and everything is strange to me, in a text only discussion it is hard for anyone to validate your position on a subject when all we know of you is someone who just seem to be sticking inflamatory comments in out of the blue.

I'm sure it will all come to light one day but this is not the place, it's beginning to sound like the MLR in here and getting away from the point.

You don't rate Roy, message received.

Now can we get back to being innacurate about other things please.

May I suggest here for any future owning you have in mind, I wish you well.

https://www.scoobynet.com/fight-club-348/

What about that hillclimbing hey its a hoot!

Discuss........

 

The champ.

Awwww c'mon, I couldn't resist!

 

 

That's a nice looking piece of kit

 

Gents, does Roy ever read this?

I think I will knock his front door later, he would love it!!!!!!!!

Pete, the old boy with the Peugeot last Saturday in the next garage remember?

He's 67 and drives like a demon. On Sunday three Peugeots had a spin at Curborough and two went into the grass bank. All on the first bend. One being Class record holder Mark Williams. (new suspension and a bit of bodywork required).

Old Steve was the only one to react quick enough to hold it together and kept going. For an old f@rt he does well. Every car we have both driven, he is ALWAYS faster than me. He's a big mate of Roy's.

Funny how Roy has never offered Steve a drive of the EVO.....

Steve has 3 National RASMSA championship titles to his name in motorsport. Sprinting is something he does to keep himself sharp. RESPECT EARNED.

Personally I think the likes of Roy and Steve plus a few others (Grahams too young yet) have earned the respect of all of us who compete against them. Not everyone else on the net respects that.

Challenge is to disrespect them on the track...not in bad words on Robs enjoyable thread.

We are all out there at the weekend for anyone else to steal the limelight!

Rob, Pete will you be running Shelsley age 60+? I hope so.

 

Note radio aerial up and listening to the afternoon play on radio 4.

Cool operator!

 

Rob,

I never claimed to know everyone at hillclimbing events at all. I said I know Roy, but as you have mentioned it, I know the old school and a few who still participate.

I mentioned Roy isn't the driver you guys make him out to be. It was that simple, but of course that might rattle you as you aren't beating him.

That said, it was no more than a qualified opinion on his talent. You may very well be quicker in his car. Your or anybody elses talent here, isn't in question.

Nobody has answered my question on what Roy was doing in the early 90's in the racing car class. He was an also ran against talent and in one case, the same car! That's why he studied and picked a car and class he stood a chance of winning in, in my opinion.

I fully appreciate you not wanting to believe an anonymous poster too so we'll agree to disagree.

The 'owning' was clearly a response to Pete who struggled to discuss it in a grown up fashion so I thought he'd appreciate something he might understand.

Shout out to those that suggested it.

My point has been made and rattled a few cages which can only be good for you lot to start beating Roy once on an equal footing.

Top tip: Remember to turn right at Triangle.

 

I know Roy DOES read this occasionally, and he would find it amusing too.

Roy ran a TVR Tuscan and the ex Tim Coventry Westfield V8 iirc way back 10 years ago, maybe.
Difficult cars, and Barry Lines/Mark Waldron got their Tuscan really moving with the Rover based V8, and the Westfield was a piece of kit too.

Both would be hard to drive I suspect.

Roy I'm sure knows the top days are over this year, though he is not winning the Championship Classes and that is the true measure at the end of the season.

Each event is a 'battle' and the season is the War to be fought.

I would find it very frusrating to have been at the top for so long and then very suddenly, 3 people are on your case.
I doubt I would have his fortitude.

Nobody likes being beaten, but I'm more used to it than many!

As to that top tip:

'Get over to the left'
'Dab the brakes hard to the middle (or further to the left if on the grass'
'Sweep the wheel to the right at the right time..where that is I'll never know'
'Stare at the tyre wall several times, sometimes through the front screen..'
'Think: Thank god for that; made it'
'Now; which gear do I need next?'

I wish I could just turn Right at Triangle!

Seems like I will be Paddock Marshal on Sunday or Marshalling or signing on too.
We need more volunteers, now: that IS worth a discussion, but not on this excellent thread.

 

I don't think there are any truly amazing drivers in hillclimbing, it is after all amateur motorsport and all cars are bought and maintained by their respective drivers as far as I'm aware, so wallet size and talent are hard to seperate by results, which is the grounds I see your basing your Roy being average stance on.

However I think hill climbing is about more than that.


The route to success in this sport seems to be an equation of driving ability,budget and class selection and as you mentioned above I think Roy cracked that equation perfectly last season.

No one factor seems to get anyone ahead its a combination of all three that counts, for example, put Lewis hamilton in Class C1 with us on a £2k total budget and he would get 'owned' no matter what he did.

I must admit you are not the first to question Roys driving ability and many in the sport seem sour towards him for dominating the class and winning the championship last year. I would say Roy is a really good, consistent hillclimber and he used the budget, ability, class equation better than anyone else that year and managed his season well.

Take Roger in the A4 for example, he didn't think Roy+car deserved to be dominating, chose the class well, massive budget, can drive a bit, he is now killing the class records, and tied for the chamiponship lead, but as it seems a point we agree on right time right place so to speak. If he had taken his big budget into say Road sports under 2000cc against Ash Mason and co. it would be a totaly different story, so he chose wisely and as a result I think Roger is a good hillclimber.

So Roy, Great hillclimber, Ok driver in the grand scheme of things, like so many in the sport?

Roy is not always ahead by the way, I have broken his records at MIRA and Loton in less than 12 months in this game so that is not where my admiration for his achievements comes from.

He also always makes time for a beer with Pete and myself after every event, and has good banter something essential for being a great hill climber in my view.

He would never pull any underhanded moves like soon to be champion either...(sorry couldn't resist)

Long live the champ!

I forgot to mention above, also how wisely you spend your money that is a big factor to results.

Rob.

 

Andy Priaulx went on to world dominance so that's pretty truly amazing I'd say. Also quite a few cars were only driven by their drivers and largely prepared by others. Some vehicles were also bought by sponsors too for a driver. I base my opinion on Roy being OK on his ability as I saw it.

He got cheesed off with being an also-ran in a competitive class though, Rob.

As stated many times it's certainly not sour grapes, but fact, having seen him in the racing class in the 90's he was nowhere to be seen. You can hardly say Roy had a 'limited' budget either in the Evo. I'd wager he spent more on this package than his Tuscan effort. The Westfield V8, like the Tuscan needed a very good driver to point it in the direction, again Roy failed. The other Tuscan however went on to narrowly miss out on the Leaders Championship but ironically finishing second to his team mate, Bill Bristow. Then there was Mike Kerr in the other V8 westfield, Tony Lambert in the Ferrari, Mike Hall in the Morgan, Hargreaves in the Sierra Cosworth, the 911 turbo's to name a few. All ahead of Roy every weekend. I can't speak for the people that tell you the same as I am saying but I'd hazard a guess they too watched Roy in a car other than something that was excellent and safe out of the box, then developed further.

Any form of Motorsport is the same. Lewis Hamilton is no doubt a superb driver but he did strike it lucky with his car choice this year.

The Audi really is a Sports Libre on first impressions. I don't know it's full spec or body modifications but his legality in that class is maybe questionable. Again I stress this is purely on first impressions of the car and it's road going equivalent. I might take a deeper look.


You will say that as his friend, Rob but sorry no, Roy is not a great hillclimber, an OK driver in a class with less quick/sorted cars, yes.

With 12 months in the sport you haven't seen what I've seen of Roy then, Rob. That's the crux of this opinion of mine.

Winners always will.

As I say, he's your friend and it's commendable you are disagreeing with me. You haven't the history on Roy I have and so as stated earlier, we'll agree to disagree and you just concentrate on trying to beat him. How's that.

I shan't comment any further on this thread as it's way off topic, largely to my input after reading Pete's comment on Roy's ability.

 

I edited my above post no.647 it appears during the writing of your response so there are 2 versions now, I stand by both but the first draft was a bit of a mess so I tidied it up, only to return to the page and find you had responded to the old one.

I respect your opinion and it does seem you know your stuff, despite feeling the need to hide behind some kind of internet hillclimb ninja mask of secrecy.

Please continue to post on the thread it's a public forum and we put this crap out there for scrutiny and an experienced voice is always welcome, like it says on the tin, this is a project.

I have never sat down for more beers with Roy than since the A4 arrived, so it seems losers always do.

Keep contributing, less 'owning'.

Rob.

 

I know I want it.

 

A while back admitedly, but I was quoted around 2k to supply and fit a full weld in cage to an already stripped car by Custom Cages, IIRC this price included seam welding, but not any repainting, dis-assembly/re-assembly or trim modifications required

 

Spoon,

Do you not think it possible that Roy might have been able to improve over the past 15 years? It's a competition of time and speed, not "who can can the best time with the most unwieldy car".

I think must be some sour grapes somewhere, but there always is when you're winning.

Paul

 

Some interesting takes on the hillclimb 'scene'.

I see nothing wrong in choosing a 'weak' class where the rules can be stuck to and allows the use of a base car nobody but a few thought about 'doing'.
Roger ran his fast Sunbeam in the C1 class for a couple of seasons about when the A4 was hatched in the mind.

Yonks ago I said the class structure is wrong and the inclusion of slicks did for the road going class.
It is a racing class based on volume production cars.

In my 15 years of hillclimbing I've seen such upsets in the class about 4 times, and remember listening to the conversations when the short wheel base Audi's came along in the form of Keith Murry's Quattro!

All in all it is not worth imho worrying about it all.

We all know that we go there for a sporting day/weekend.
To win is special.
Other places are dissapointing, but I think it is enjoyable overall (though marginal at times...).

Is Roy a Great Hillclimber?

As someone who carries the spirit along he gets my top vote.

Was Andy Priaulx a great hillclimber?
Bloody right he was (and Adam and Graeme Wt Jr etc), just fantastic to watch, but his goals were so much higher. Not all found their dream though did they?

For me Roy/car/class/time/competition was a partly engineered adventure which worked very very well.
Made me retire the 911 on the spot and go for an Impreza.

I've got another 10 years left to catch him up!

Graham.

 

Can't say I blame you

I've never been a massive fan of Imprezas, but I know a nice piece of work when I see it

PS: Before you ask, no I'm not from the dark side I'm just rooted in the past, McRae in a Rothmans Legacy got me into scoobs

 

Keith Edwards

YouTube - Shelsley Walsh Audi Quattro

Dad

YouTube - Mick Harriman's Audi Quattro

 

Magic nuts!!!!!!!

 

Got my final instructions through for Shelsley on the 14th July, I got in a B meet!!! The formula this season is if I get in a B meet it is scorching sunshine, if I don't it is a wash out, so everyone get your ***** down there with a cooler full of brews and a deck chair!

 

Rob

I cannot manage the 14th (Wedding Anniversary - Doh!), but will be at Loton with your Dad and Pete this Sunday.

PS Have a new 4 point harness fitted - should improve times!

PPS STi is now fitted with lifejacket and rudder for the damper parts of the hill

Richard

 

We will be pumping the lake out after Triangle Richard, so no need to put water wings on...

I'm an Official this sunday at Loton: Watch-out.

Got my finals for Prescott B in the 911.
Be very interesting to see how I fare against the battallion of 911's that are there, must be about 30 of them.

Rob:
Your class made me laugh till I saw you are all under Handicap! You could have a tough time to get a pot!
There is a single seater in our class I'm told...

Just been to get some fuel in the 911 this afternoon. God it drives a dream!

Just what am I doing with the Impreza? (apart from going faster).
Insurance was a stunning £160 fully comp agreed value and it is appreciating in value.

See you all Sunday. I think I will end up doing the Paddock...I hate that job.

 

I couldn't insure a wheel nut for that!