Iain Young

But how can you possibly comment on how realistic the physics are unless you have experience of what the real physics are actually like

What you are saying is you enjoy the handling model that the game provides. That doesn't mean it is realistic. It just means that you like that style of gameplay.

Which you cannot possibly know unless you have driven a car to the limit and made the back end step out etc. For example, I've quite happily used heavy braking in GT4, and kept the brake on whilst steering around tight bends. If you did this in a real car you'd be off sightseeing...

I never said you did say it's perfect. However, it is a "enjoyable" driving model that people enjoy using in a game rather than an accurate representation of what a car really drives like. Try driving GTR with all the driver aids turned off. That's a much closer representation

DJ Dunk

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For those who thought TDU was too arcadey the Hardcore Mode pack has just been launched . . . .

Name: Hardcore Mode
Price: 160 Points
Availability: All Xbox Live regions
Dash Details: Reach Champion status and get access to all new Hardcore Mode, especially designed for the Microsoft Wireless Racing Wheel (also plays with standard controller), featuring ultra-realistic driving physics!
Size: 5 MB (approx)

DJ Dunk

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Also . . .

Name: Test Drive Unlimited Cadillac CTS-V in-game content
Price: Free
Availability: All Xbox Live regions
Dash Details: Contains free Cadillac CTS-V for users to view and race with. In-game currency still required for purchase at respective dealer.
Size: 25 MB (approx)

Name: Test Drive Racers Guild #2 Download Set
Price: 350 Points
Availability: All Xbox Live regions
Dash Details: Premium set includes Ferrari F40, CHRYSLER Crossfire SRT6 Roadster, RUF Rturbo, Audi S6, Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible 1971, Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR, Cadillac CTS-V. In-game currency still required for purchase at respective dealer.
Size: 25 MB (approx)

STi wanna Subaru

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Can the **** geeks stop arguing please

I'm very much looking forward to Forza because it will be FUN!

Iain Young

I never said that at all. I simply said that I've got a lot of experience of driving a number of cars on track (both road cars and race prepared), and the handling of the same cars in GT doesn't even come close to be being the same. For a start GT doesn't take into account things like grip levels, weather, tyre wear, weight distribution, fuel loads etc, all of which can have a massive effect on the handling

I also never said that you couldn't counter a slide etc in GT. What I said was that you could do things with the car in GT that just aren't physically possible in a real car. Even Jeremy Clarkson admitted this a year or two ago when he did an episode of Top Gear comparing the game with the real thing, (I think at Laguna Seca, although I could be wrong). He came to the conclusion that the game was nothing like the real thing...

It's a fun game, it's not a simulation.

PeteBrant

As posted

What Clarkson said on top gear is that the fear factor comes into play when doing the real thing. He used it as in illustration of the difference between racing drivers and mere mortals. He also used a slightly different car in the Top Gear test.

He actually rates the game highly in the realism stakes.

Iain Young

That's true, however he also said that the track layout was different to that in the game, and that the handling of the car was very different in certain areas (mostly in the braking department).

Personally I don't believe any journalists, especially Clarkson. He's an entertaining chap, but most of what he says is done purely to provoke a reaction (so people will read his newspaper column) or depends on which company is paying him or taking him on corporate lunches this week. I certainly wouldn't take what he says as gospel

All I know is that the cars I have driven on track (and on rally stages) handle nothing like those same cars in the GT games (or Forza). So I fail to see how those games can be called realistic. Personally I just think they are entertaining

And yes, I am still looking forward to Forza 2. Hopefully the next GT on PS3 will be good, but there's a bit of a wait for that one (end of next year if reports are to be believed)...

Iain Young

Plus, how can you mark any game high in the realism stakes when there is so much that the engine doesn't model?

StickyMicky

for what its worth i used to be a GT fanboy

loved the games, thought they were very real IMO

but after plugging the DFP wheel in the PC and getting well and truley hooked on LFS for the second time around, the steering wheel has not been plugged into the PS2 ever scince.

tried a few other PC games, RFactor = never liked this at all, crazy physics nothing like a real car, GTR 1/2 i could never get away with these, not sure why, to me the cars never felt like they were on the tarmac

went back to GT4 a few times, but lost intrest soooo fast, the cars just felt wrong, like the tyres were not modeled or something?

tried a few others on the 360, PGR graphics are quite nice, but the game just never hooked me, like i said i played for a few hours, and had enough cash to buy the crazy ferrari that costs the most cash, after that i couldnt work out what was the point of playing, i made enough to buy all the ferrari cars just to get some achievement points but it was not "fun"

i will probably spend a bit of time selling them and buying the other cars just for the points, and then sell the game ?

TDU i did quite like the bikes part, except when i crashed into the cars trying to do wheelies

this was in the demo, i have heard the real game has different controls, but i wont be buying it.

has the xbox steering wheel got force feedback and such?

AudiLover

Forza physics are complete and utter trash. You can drift FWD cars like RWD cars for gods sake. Wwhen it comes to console racers Gran Turismo is easily the daddy.

monkeysan

"* 1989 Lotus Carlton"


worth it for that alone

Iain Young

I've done the same thing in GT. They are both pretty rubbish where accurate handling is concerned. At least forza makes some attempt at damage / wear & tear handling which the GT arcade games don't.

AudiLover

To me, forza handling is alot more arcade, than GT. You can powerslide any car with ease in forza, however in GT you couldnt. And cars that were historically known to be good drifters in real life, were also the the best in GT.

ScoobyJawa

I tried the last GT and I too thought the way the cars drove handled was a bag o'****e and the game totally over-rated.

Forza was soooo much better. Plus, the 'ring in Forza was much more realistic.

Awesomepossum

Click here to watch GT4-1

A video of me doing GT4 in Sim mode, worth watching for some decent car control as i am using the Logitech wheel in full 900degree mode

Treated the car like a real Scoob with Sim Tyres and proper settings in the suspension, diff and gearing dept.

I like the much mailigned Enthusia for out and out realistic drifting with the wheel.

Hope Forza really rocks and not a pile of over hyped poo

So i need to spend another 18quid to be able to upgrade to Hardcore mode on TDU, well thats just craptastic

DJ Dunk

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Where the hell do you get £18 from ? It works out at a whopping £1.36

Awesomepossum

Thought you could only buy packs of say 1000 points at a time.

My bad, so can i just purchase the packs one at a time with a credit card or debit card

Mogsi

I'm liking this.....

YouTube - Forza Motorsport 2 Super Set Up

DJ Dunk

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The minimum is 400 at a time, just over £4.

kernel

So how do mortals do 3 screens on their 360? Or is there a PC version of Forza on the way?

DJ Dunk

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Forza 2 supports multiple screens as did Forza 1. The problem is that you need multiple consoles as well as screens. But the good thing is that you can have a complete 360 degree setup if you have enough kit

Forza Motorsport 2 - GDC 07 Multi-screen Gameplay HD (HD version)

YouTube - Forza 2 GDC 07 Multiscreen gameplay (low def version)

DJ Dunk

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Forza Motorsports 2 and the lavish encounter - Joystiq

kernel

Cool - thanks

fatmanscooby

So glad i bought the Hardcore Pack. What a load of Tosh

DJ Dunk

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The next lot have been announced

Japanese Production Cars:

* 1994 Honda Civic 1.5 VTi
* 1995 Honda CR-X Del Sol SiR
* 1999 Honda Civic Si Coupe
* 2000 Honda Prelude SiR
* 1991 Honda CR-X SiR
* 2000 Honda Integra Type-R
* 2004 Honda Civic Type-R
* 2002 Honda Integra Type-R
* 2003 Honda S2000
* 1992 Honda NSX-R
* 2005 Honda NSX-R
* 2005 Honda NSX-R GT
* 2003 Hyundai Tuscani Elisa
* 2005 Mazda Axela Sport 23S
* 2001 Mazda Mazdaspeed Familia
* 2001 Mazda Mazdaspeed Roadster
* 1990 Mazda Savanna RX-7
* 2004 Mazda RX-8 Mazdaspeed
* 1997 Mazda RX-7
* 2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type-A
* 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS
* 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
* 2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT
* 1998 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R
* 1997 Mitsubishi GTO
* 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR
* 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII GSR
* 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR
* 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME
* 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GT
* 1996 Nissan Silvia K’s
* 1992 Nissan Silvia CLUB K’s
* 2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II Nür
* 2003 Nissan Skyline Coupe 350GT
* 2000 Nissan Silvia Spec-R
* 2003 Nissan Fairlady Z
* 2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II
* 1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec
* 1994 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S Twin Turbo
* 1998 Nissan R390
* 1969 Nissan Fairlady Z 432
* 1969 Nissan Fairlady Z 432R
* 2006 Proto Motors Spirra
* 2005 Subaru Legacy B4 2.0 GT
* 2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
* 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
* 1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi
* 2006 Subaru Impreza S204
* 1985 Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT Apex
* 2002 Toyota MR-S
* 1992 Toyota Supra 2.0 GT Twin Turbo
* 2004 Toyota Altezza RS200
* 2003 Toyota Celica SS-I
* 2002 Toyota Soarer 430SCV
* 1995 Toyota MR2 GT
* 1998 Toyota Supra RZ
* 1969 Toyota 2000GT


Still to come are Tuner and Aftermarket Cars due to be announced on April 5th and Race Class Cars set to be announced on April 19th.

Neanderthal

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Imagine how loud 3x 360s would be!
List is looking good Can't wait for this

DJ Dunk

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LOL Turn them around to face you and it'll be just like being on a real track on a summers day with the warm wind in your hair

STi wanna Subaru

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DJ Dunk

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Here's the Aftermarket Tuner Cars (which I like a lot ). . .

* 1998 Toyota AB Flug S900 Supra Turbo
* 2000 Honda Aerogear Integra Type-R
* 2003 Toyota APR Performance Celica GTS
* 2000 Audi AWE Tuning SilverBullet S4
* 1995 Toyota Border MR2 Turbo T-bar
* 2003 Chevrolet Corvette Guldstrand Edition
* 1994 Honda Do-Luck NSX
* 1992 Toyota Do-Luck Supra
* 2003 Nissan Fairlady Z Custom Edition
* 2003 Ford FocusSport SVT Focus
* 2003 Lexus Foose Design IS430 Project Car
* 2000 Dodge Hennessey Viper 800TT
* 2006 Mitsubishi HKS Time Attack Evolution
* 1995 Mazda INGS RX-7
* 2002 Chevrolet Lingenfelter 427 Corvette
* 1999 Mitsubishi MINE'S CP9A Lancer Evolution VI
* 1993 Nissan MINE'S R32 Skyline GT-R
* 2002 Nissan MINE'S R34 Skyline GT-R
* 2004 Honda Mugen Civic Type-R
* 2002 Honda Mugen Integra Type-R
* 2003 Honda Mugen S2000
* 1995 Mazda RE-Amemiya RX-7
* 2003 Mitsubishi Sparco Lancer Evolution VIII
* 1998 Subaru Tommy Kaira Impreza M20b
* 2002 Nissan Tommy Kaira Skyline GT-R R34
* 1995 Toyota Tom's T020 MR2
* 2002 Toyota Tom's W123 MR-S
* 2002 Toyota Tom's Z382 Soarer
* 1998 Toyota Top Secret 0-300 Supra
* 2000 Nissan Top Secret D1-Spec S15
* 1998 Toyota VeilSide Supra Fortune 03
* 1998 Toyota VeilSide Supra Fortune 99
* 2000 Acura VIS Racing Integra Type-R
* 1995 Toyota VIS Racing MR2 Turbo T-bar
* 2004 Honda Wings West Civic Si

Microsoft has confirmed reports that a Forza Motorsport 2 demo will appear on Xbox Live Marketplace fairly soon. "The rumours this week of a downloadable demo are true and the details on timing will be confirmed in the coming weeks," the publisher said in a statement.