Gear Head

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The 328 is a very under-rated machine.

94impreza

As a percentage would you say you mostly drive your Teg on the road or track?. I don't think the question was is the teg a better track day car than a scoob?, i think he was mainly asking for everyday use on the road etc.
Even if a teg was to be quicker on a track (although i have my doubts) its not really what the guy was asking.
If your going to go on about tracks etc, £6k on a teg and £3k on a scoob £ for £ the scoob is the better option. £3k on the scoob and £3k worth of tuning would see off any £6k teg, sorry but its true.
Get over it m8, £ for £ the scoobs the better option, your even using a scoob website because its used more than the ITR one (no offence to the ITR forum, this just gets more posts/views).

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Indeed they do

That's because most people on here talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. And most people simply can't drive "properly"

Of course they do - because it provides for better balance on braking, and less chance of locking up.

A long black line would, however, indicate a lock up - if engine braking was being employed at this point, the clutch would be disengaged and locked wheel=stalled engine, so I doubt its engine braking causing the black line.


closer ratios = less of a drop, yes.

ps

Faster does NOT NECESSARILY equal "better"

Gear Head

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I use this site, as I have made quite afew 'online' buddies, in the 3 years of usage.
When you finally grow up, you'll realise that bhp isn't everything.

94impreza

Erm...who said it was, in the several pro's i made about scoobs only one was about the power. You own a Teg so your going to back it up and the same for me, but even your own "teg-chums" can't come up with good enough reasons to change.
Each to their own as i've said time and time again, you go off and think you have a "better" car i couldn't care less.

Gear Head

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It's not about owning 'the better' car.
What defines better anyway? It's an opinion.
I got offered a lot of money for my scoob, always wanted an integra, tried a few, loved them, sold the scoob and bought a teg.
It just ticked all the boxes for me. I could have listened to people like you, but I wanted to make up my own mind. And I did!

jonc

Heres a video some of you Type R fans might find interesting

BMI - Type-R History - Google Video

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OK, lets look at this Pro and Con listfrom someone who has owned both and has extensive experience

Pro's and Con's about driving a scoob....
Pro's

Not many standard cars can keep up not for £3k anyway. same can be said for the ITR, pound for pound

I think it handles like its on rails. I know the ITR is better

No problem putting the 240BHP down. Agreed. Much better traction in the wet. In the dry, the ITR is fine and has much lower transmission losses

Easy access to modifications which devalue the car further and screw your warranty id you still have one

At 4k rev's it takes off like its been kicked up the ****. at 5,800 revs the ITR takes off like its been kicked up the ****, and sounds way better doing so

I personally think they are fantastic looking cars unfortunately most people think they look ****e

They turn heads with their burble only applies to people who know what they are. Most folk just think wtf is that noisy bloody car

There are more Porsches where i live than scoobs likewise ITRs I suspect

Reliable, not had anything major wrong with mine. Honda is one of the most reliable marques period and was way better than my Scoob in this respect

Con's

Everyone assumes your a boy racer including the police. Never had ANY problems in the Integra

Everyone that pulls up beside you has to try their luck Much less hassle in the Integra

The term chav seems to stick on scoob owners. with some justification these days

Coil packs playing up every 10k or so thought it was reliable?

Boot seals leaking Ditto ^^^

Obviously haddock MPG ITR much better overall

Never feeling like you have enough power always wanting more. because its actually quite dull and uninvolving to drive - bit of a one trick pony, all grip and no finess

Burning smell when you thrash it, as they run rich. Thats not the mixture

Bens list: (who the **** is Ben?

Teg Pros:
-Very responsive throttle and steering among the best in the business

-Well balanced handling agreed

-Decent MPG if you dont hack it agreed and better than the scoob if you do

-The looks (if you own a UKDM) no comment really

-The seats are the best oem recaros i have sat in agreed - THe scoob has own brand copies

-The noise of VTEC, (hmm compared to a boxer I still prefer the ITR on full chat) agreed

-8600RPM gear changes (or whatever it is(I just listen)) sheer motoring nirvana Much better gear change

-The relative rarity keeps the values high

Cons

-N\A tuning gets expensive after a while no need, the standard car is good enough to begin with

-MPG during 'spirited' journeys is no worse than a scoob on anything other than a gentle run

-Low torque until late in the rev range (1800cc) but it pulls hard enough anyway, so not a problem

-The ariel (POS) ok, you got me there

-The noise (can get a bit annoying on long journeys) but is all part of the fun

-Having to join forums with people who insist that it is an act of sacrilege modifying it. because modification isn't required and can actually spoil it

-If people dont know what it is, they think you have bought a celica\hyundai\calibra and stuck a kit on it. who cares? my ***** is fine, thank you.

-The lack of a 6th gear (close ratio box) doesn't need one


So, what do we have, the arial is poor...LOL...OMG, scrap them all

I'm not saying what is noted above isn't important to some people, but you cannot compare one persons experience of one car with someone elses experience of another. its chalk and cheese.

Gear Head

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Ben is a member on itr. 94impreza posted this question on there too.

f1_fan

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I feel very qualified to comment on the reliability issue here. In the 3 years I have owned an ITR and a 2003 Scoob here is a list of the faults and mileage.

Scoob - covered 53K in the 3 year period and car was new so 53K is the total mileage. In that time have had all dampers replaced under warranty, MAF sensor replaced, alarm fault rectified and suspension relaigned after it 'drifted out' and ate a set of tyres. Also the battery went completely flat once for no reason and has never done it since.

ITR - covered 64K in the 3 years and had 20K on when I biught it so on 84K in total. In that time I have had ...... nothing, it has been faultless.

To be fair my previous Soobs were pretty reliable but my current one is not right good especially compared to the ITR.

Mike123

Different sort of car completely though - still not bad for a
motorway cruiser.
I guess the low end torque will help overcome the weight penalty

Gear Head

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And the extra 1000cc!

noobscoob

im off to see this car tomorrow. i do about 100 miles a week if that..it looks clean and it looks better thn any scooby ive seen for the cash(i was looking for a bugeye with ppp)

Honda : Integra Type-R DC2 C/W

Dark Blue Mark

Ok ive owned 5 Impreza's (2 STi's V4 and V5) and an ITR DC2.

That makes me qualified to comment unbiasedly, esp as I drive neither now.

Apart from the STi 5, which had Type R suspension, none of them were close to the ITR in either the braking, cornering, or handling department in the dry. Note there is a difference between handling and grip. In the wet the scoob wins - as expected.

Straight line speed, any none UK will be winning, but o0-60 stuff is extremely droll.

On a track, id rther have the ITR over most production scoobs.It was designed as a racing car, the Impreza was not.

MB

Dark Blue Mark

You might find this interesting too, bear in mind its against a 280 bhp STi.

YouTube - Track Racing In Japan

MB

f1_fan

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No but as we learned from the Porsche Boxster thread it was deisgned as a rally car and hence is fastest through the "twisties"

See here for reference:
How fast is a Porsche Boxster

Dark Blue Mark

Ooooooh dont start

MB

f1_fan

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Gear Head

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Where is this thread going??

CharlesW

Is it not half term this week?

Gear Head

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Thought that was last week!

Cyberevo

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I went from EVO6 to DC2 to Sti-5 Type RA V-Ltd and now have a modded DC5. THe DC2 is a very fine car and I would own one over the 4wd Jap cars any day of the week. So involving to drive and the fun factor is very high, probably even higher than my DC5.

Gear Head

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But is it faster than 94 wrx??

jayexige

yep

im all over a wrx prodrive in a straight, haha then get to braking and bends especially roundabouts and ive left him! it is sooooooooooooooo sloppy round corners! ive got a july 2000 type r-x (note the jdm's are a lot quiker than the uk dc2 ive previousely owned)

The scoob would probably edge me over 130 if im honest, teg is awesome in comparision, good on fuel, handlings, tyres, etc etc....

people can argue all day, people prefer different things, for me its the teg, and for others its scoobs, people shouldnt have such an arguement if they have no experience of owner a dc2.

But for those who have in this thread, great opinions!

Dream Weaver

When did this thread become so funny, deary me

ITR or Impreza? I know which i'd have and it doesn't have a scoop

94impreza

Wow the entire ITR forum has joined in the debate pmsl. Assuming a scoob owner is a boy racer is rich, considering i went to overtake an ITR a few months back in my van and he swerved across to stop me. Funnily enough he booted off, and i caught up with him at the junction and clapped him for his amazing efforts.
Maybe you should start a thread ITR vs Sprinter, the van definately quicker round a track. Better MPG, better looking, more practical........

If your sooo confident in your car why worry what i think?.

Cyberevo

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What a grown up constructive post

flat4_ire

hey chris long time no chat! I had a 98 ITR import a few years ago, it was my second car and i thought it was the best thing ever! they are great cars and sound sooo good at 7k rpm..BUY IT, hell if u dont like u can always just sell it on This is my old black 98 one with HKS goodies
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jayexige

flat4 - nice mate!

flat4_ire

I prefer to look at the DC5 but ive owned a DC2 and driven a DC5 and i just think the DC2 has a more raw feel to it, DC5 is too refined maybe?!