dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

Exactly! So why are people saying the BoxSter is a superior car when they obviously aren't.

The Chief

You said nothing about it being practical - you said nothing will touch it for 30k???

Oh and yours has chocolate pistons and a chavvy image


Joking btw i own an Impreza meself

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I know, it's like banging your head against a brick wall isn't it? They can't be anything but similar unless one defies the laws of physics.

I own a 2003 standard STI and have driven it back to back with a Boxster S and as far as I could tell the performance was similar in the (shock horror) real world

slim_boy_fat

You are so 1 dimensional (typical on here) about your argument.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the word twisties!!

The Boxster is superior in so many ways as a drivers car and a sports car.

How about;

Rear wheel drive
Balanced chassis
Stunning brakes
Suspention
Quality components
Resale value
Its not go a chav image

We are not all in a race on the public highway, the fastest car from A to B doesnt make it the best!!

I like scoobies but they are now really in the Nova, GTE, XR2 bracket now and not all of us like that image.

Cheers

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Have to say I thought the balance and handling of the Boxster to be amazing. In fact I am sure Porsche could quite easily bestow another 100bhp upon it without the chassis having any problems, but of course they wouldn't as otherwise the sales of the 911 would be hit. Who says they don't know what they are doing?

Blueblaster

Fair enough Daz. Fair enough.

Back on the subject of Boxsters, when I took an S for a test drive I was decidedly underwhelmed. I felt it did everything so well that I had to travel at silly speeds to get any excitement. In this respect it was very similar to my MY05 STI which, while not being even close in terms of quality, was equally dull to drive because it was so competent.

I have just had some new Pirellis fitted to my Fiat Seicento Sporting. Despite having only a 1.1 litre engine it is loads more fun than either the Subaru or the Boxster. It is maybe worth £1500 and I was going to sell it to free up some space in the garage, but now I am going to keep it. We should start a new thread - "Which is better Seicento's or Scoobies". I know what get's my vote.

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

No I didnt. I said how many would!!
Forged wiseco's are hardly chocolate lol.


Slim, how many RWD cars do you know of that handle that well in the twisties.

Woul make a decent drift car a standard sti would murder the boXter on a track. Lets not forget the impreza was made primarily as a rally car you can't get much more better in " the twisties" in that.

Do any of you making all these comments actually drive these cars?

I used to have an MR 2Turbo. Mid engined, well balanced, same sort of power and a very low centre of gravity. I could put more trust in the standard RB5 that replaced it in the twisties and get round them quicker than i ever could in the RWD Mr2. 4 wheel drive will ALWAYS be more sure footed.

Again look at the facts and figures. An Impreza STI was a second quicker around a well known track with the same driver than a 911 Turbo.

We all know a 911 turbo would **** all over a BoxSter. So where does that leave most of you????

Do your research before making these poor prophecies!!!

Ask me to prove the above I dare you

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Now you've moved up to out and out comedy. Please tell me you are kidding. My sides are hurting here

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

BBC - Top Gear - Power Laps

The times speak for themselves!!

Now prove otherwise or STFU

slim_boy_fat

You've soooo missed the point of what makes a good car that handles well that the point is a microscopic dot only visible to the most powerfull electron microscope.

What does 'handle well' mean.

You are indeed 12 years old and have never driven a car.

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

Clearly you're right. As a twelve year old I haven't built and don't drive this.

https://www.scoobynet.com/projects-4...ssic-2-0l.html

Janspeed

iTrader: (1)

God this post is like the perpetual motion machine!

Porker fans just never know when to STFU!!!

The Chief

That aint your car!!!

It could be anybodies

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

LOL ask the Guys at the Sheffield Carbrook meet. I've turned up in it several times lol
Some of them have even been out in it

The Chief

I have done - they said they'd never heard of you

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

yeah right!!!
lol you're quite an amusing fella I'll give you that.

Well I know its parked in my garage and my name is on the log book. Thats all I need to know

The Chief

yeah, yeah, whatever, pull the other one mate its got bells on

450bhp my deep blue eyes





















only messing fella

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

Just keep reading the thread dude. Spec list is nice reading!!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yep I can see a Cayman at 4s faster than the STI and 5s faster than the 911 meaning that a Cayman is obviously a better car than both the STI and the 911 So your point is what exactly? That on two different days two different cars can give two different times on a circuit that may suit one more than the other. It all means nothing.

The only fact is that the Boxster S and the STI have similar power to weight ratios and hence must ,by the laws of physics, be similar in terms of speed/acceleration which was after all what the original post was about. If you can't accept that as engineering fact then I despair.

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

oh so now the Cayman is The same as a BoxSter is it??

I would concur the the Cayman is a better car than the 911 and the STI. However this thread is about the B-O-X-S-T-E-R not the Cayman!!!

For christ sake just admit that the original BoxSter is an overrated car thats not as good as people think.


What better way to compare two different cars but on the same track by the same driver??

Some people just don't know when to quit!!!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

You would concur that the Cayman is a better car than the 911. I simply plucked it out to show you how meaningless those times are. Set on different days under different conditions on a circuit that may suit the Cayman more than the 911 - means sweet FA.

You also conveniently ignored the engineering fact in my post I see.

You need to drive a Boxster properly on a track and then you will see it is not overrated. If after that you still think it is I would concur you can't drive for toffee. They are good cars, not the be all and end all, but bloody good cars nonetheless. If you think otherwise that's up to you, but please don't try and argue with engineering fact - it makes you look silly to be frank.

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

Don't be such a tool!

I'm speaking from my own experiences. I have compared both of these cars and based on ACTUALLY driving them both to their limits I honestly believe that STI is a better all round package. If we are going down the engineering and physics routes then you need to think a tad more laterally and more out of the box and not just because "its a Porsche" which you appear to be doing.

Roughly the same brake horse power, roughly the same weight yet the STI has an advanced and very sophisticated four wheel drive system and over 50Nm more of torque which is also available lower down the RPM range meaning you get more power down on the tarmac quicker. The four wheel drive will also be alot harder to break traction Like i said earlier the figures speak for themselves.


On the limit the **** end of the Boxster was very twitchy and over steer was expected and predictable. The car was extremely fun to drive but i had to be very weary of it.

Obviously the Cayman is rear wheel drive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Boxster was introduced.

As for my driving ability I have been racing in various things since my carting days when was a kid. There's one or two trophies and cups knocking around here including a couple of bike ones. Enough said!!

Do your homework next time. Fool

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

A tool? Told you you did comedy

This thread was about how fast a Boxster is. I made a statement that a Boxster S was roughly as fast as standard STI, you said otherwise. Leaving aside handling, cornering and all the other stuff I stand by what I said as it stands to reason from the similar power/weight ratios.

Oh and I wouldn't go on about your Scoob's advanced and sophisticated 4WD too much as lets face it technology has come far since the Classic was introduced

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

So now we're not counting handling and cornering?? hmm some backtracking me thinks

Who was mentioning my cars 4wd system? I was reffering to the later STI models. Mine is or atleast was a UK Model so no fancy diff control. Although the front diff in mine is part of the later spec 6 speed STI 8 gearbox so infinitly better than the standard uk classic item.


If we were pitching my car against the boXster I wouldnt even bother with the thread because it would be totally one sided in my favour.

davyboy

slim_boy_fat

Should there be some kind of filter on this forum to stop 12 year olds getting access to it? This is getting very silly.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I give up. Look, you seem to want to read everything into my posts except what is actually written there. Fact is the Porsche Boxster S is about as fast as an STI and that is the end of it as per the original criteria for the thread goes. If you can't accept that then that's your problem.

I am not a Porsche fan boy or a Subaru one come to that. I own an STI and love it but am not blind to reality or the shortcomings of the car. I have driven a Boxster and was very impressed with it, it does some things much better than the STI as anyone who is objective will tell you.

Finally of course you modded Scoob will be faster than a standard Boxster, in what possible way is that relevant to this topic?

Anyway I'm done as it's like banging your head against a wall.

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

You give up because you can't substantiate your argument.

As for your comments slim it's plain to see your a prize tw@t with nothing decent to say.

This hasnt been about my car. I only mentioned my car beacuse someone said that we all drove crap cars under £15k so how would we know what a "performance car feels like".

Finally what does it do better than the STI other than fit in better at the country club car park??

Somebody please come up with some decent answers to that very simple question!

davyboy

Better looks, better image, better handling, better brakes, better interior.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yeah but apart from that Oh and you forgot better built