simo

^^
love is in the air

Phil

Rob,

I had no intention of taking this off topic just answering the questions that are asked!

I think the answer your looking for you already know the answer [much like my sticker thread]

The RB320 is currently the best [NEW] Subaru available in the UK with a Full Dealership Back Up

If you like Black[which you obviously do] its likely to hold its value marginally better than the Standard Sti, go for it. I do wonder however that if you were dissallusioned with the WR1, ref your for sale thread, if this is a wise purchase for you. ONLY YOU CAN DECIDE!

Gangsta Smurf

Oh please grow up!! This is a serious thread and has serious comments on it ... You are the only one to come on and ruin it so please take your trolling somewhere else.

Rant over ... back on topic!

Gangsta Smurf

I think I just became too used to the WR1 and to be honest I was beginning to get annoyed with things breaking on it ... my fault or not.

You are right in what you are saying though ... especially with all the new hatchback scoobs coming out in the near future!

Just when I think i've had enough of scoobs they go and bring a sexy looking one out!! Damn you Prodrive!!

Phil

Personally as I have never been a fan of black cars [White and Pink is best] I am going to wait for the new Sti in March 08, which will look a lot different to the WRX released in Oct.

chippy17

FYI the plaque is added when you buy the car.

Never driven it but had a good look round it before the Autsport show opened as I was working there (also made the gear **** and tdh for it) it does look better in the flesh but when you add the leather etc which, as has been said, you will want to, it is approx £33k!!! You could just about have an M3 CS for that money, I know which I would have!

It did look great though, if you love your Impreza's one would be extremely tempted.

Gangsta Smurf

Unfortunately I now appreciate the benefits of having a subtle colour. Don't think some of my clients would be happy if I went and picked them up in an in your face colour car. I do like white though - very Jap-Style! But unfortunately needs defer me from buying one in that colour.

Don't like BMWs ... will never buy one after the treatment I received from my local dealership, and indeed every BMW dealership that I have been into. Have respect for the CSL ... but just not really for me. To get one for 30k I would be buying second hand too - which I won't do.

Spec'c'57

iTrader: (1)

thanks for the plug tho.....

Phil

My clients like going in my car

Gangsta Smurf

Lol ... but imagine picking up someone who you are taking to Ascot and when they get into your passenger seat telling them to 'Harness Up.' And then having every idiot on the road coming onto my rear bumper wanting a race.

You can see my predicament methinks!

At least this RB320 is subtle about being extreme ...

Spec'c'57

iTrader: (1)

white/pink/grey is best... maybe black wheels... wonder if i could get more colours before i finally sell to a CHAV in southend...

Phil

Funny enough I took 2 clients to Ascot in mine

But yes I don't have harness's

Adidas

Fair play, I wasn't aware of that.

My concern was that if it was limited to a tax disc holder then, a £ to a penny, it wouldn't be long until it left the car (via a smashed passenger window) and re-appeared in a 15 year old Nova/Fiesta/Saxo (or a 205 ).

As I mentioned, I was being very picky, I'd be more concerned about the brakes.

Gangsta Smurf

WR1 tax discs were being sold on Ebay ... unsuccessfully I should add!

The commemorative keyring that every owner (who purchased from new) received were selling for £120.00 at one point I think though.

moto

IMHO the RB320 is not worth the money. Its going to cost you over 30K with the seats upgraded. Personally, I don't like the mesh grilles and I don't think the alloys are anything great.
Yes, it probably will hold its value better than a standard STI, but do you already have one of those (you just say 06 black scoob)? Why take the hit twice? Does your current car have the PPP? If so, are you going to notice much difference between it and an RB320?
Why not :

1. Wait for the new hatchback model in 2008?
2. Consider an RS4?
3. Consider an Evo X when it comes along?

I think that if the hatchback is well received you may have a problem with the RB320. Residual value and saleability could be hit badly.

scoobynutta555

4. Get a 22b

p1doc

in my opinion it is a poor tribute to richard burns quite long after his death and inappropiate as there is already the rb5.
it is almost like subaru trying to make money off a dead man
the car itself is just the newest special uk edition overpriced and underspecced compared to more competent jap models or aftermarket tuner models,the only effort subaru have made is on suspension but i doubt it would be as good as ast suspension
it would be just the next best thing to have yet realistically it isnt ,same as wr1 (and no gangsta i am not having a go at you) a uk sti in different colour with uprated ppp that depending on your dealer you could have had your ecu relashed with spec5etc of ppp,dccd that became standard the year adfter when suspension was vastly improved by using spec c settings
the only good special editions are 22b uk/p1
martin

Gangsta Smurf

I know you are not having a go matey ... there is a lot of sense in what you are saying. As mentioned in the original post all opinions and valid input are appreciated.

chippy17

I think I was being a bit pedantic myself! Just thought it was worth mentioning.

I didn't realise these tax disc holders were so sought after!

p1mark

On the face of it, its a relatively minimal outlay over a UK STI for something that a) looks the business B) limited edition and hence likely to hold its value. So if you are intent on getting a UK Subaru Rob then i think its well worth it. I would certainly not mind paying the 3K extra for what you get and the individuality.

I know you have lambasted the JDM, SpecC route, but i cant help thinking that for the money and the fact you want to take it on track etc then this would be a better option. The waranties on this kind of stuff are a lot better now then they were a few years ago...........It's difficult to argue with the spec and performance of these cars. How you define better is purely subjective but i think 95% of people would say they are better/faster cars.

Also bearing in mind your love of the Evo's compared to Subaru's, i cant believe you are not considering one of them? I have heard you say on many occasion they are a much better track tool?

RB320 is a natural progression from WR1, as at the time you bought your WR1 there were JDM alternatives but you still bought UK.

And when you get it, get back onto the WR1OC and stop being a miserable w*nker.

MrRA

Gangsta, you've clearly stumnled upon something Subaru hasn't - that all their hard work that went into making the Spec C the car that it is hasn't paid off as the WR1 is soooo much better, somehow

Please do tell them to give up and stop production now.

Gangsta Smurf

As mentioned in my first post, I would suggest reading it, it's IMO. I've owned and driven most of the Subaru's made to date and I personally think the WR1 is a better car than the Spec-C. There is a reason why I didn't go and buy a spec-c as it's well within my budget ... that reason being I think they are over-rated and generally not in the WR1's league .... STILL!

SirFozzalot

Are the brakes the standard STi Brembos (also found on the Spec C shhhh and WR1 etc. ) ???

Haven't heard too many complaints about them to be honest apart from some hardened track users. Could it be they were just a little warm from excessive use on the demonstrations?

chippy17

I meant the M3 'CS' not CSL, this is the run out edition and I am sure you could still find a new one, it is in between the 2, and according to most magazines way better than the original without the compromises of the CSL.

Dealerhip comment is fair enough, although i have found some to be truly oustanding and the general consenus would say this is so. Although like you I have had a couple of snobby experiences but then Porsche is even worse in this respect.

Adidas

That's what I was thinking. You need to bear in mind that the car must have completed somewhere between 70-100 laps of the circuit, most of which were being done a quite high speed (until Tiny got in it ).

I'm pretty sure that most brakes would have gone a bit 'soft' after that amount of abuse. It just didn't fill me with a great deal of confidence.

Obviously, this is all in MY opinion.

MrRA

I did read your first post, hence my original reply in which I was curious as to how you could say that a WR1 is a better car than a Spec C. As for not being in the WR1's league, well that is obviously your personal opinion which you are entitled to, but, I along with many others on SNet are struggling to comprehend that statement. The WR1 wasn't really that different when compared to a standard STI. I would say it isn't even in the same league as a JDM STI. The Spec C on the other hand has been completely reworked and is the technically better car and far more able. After all, it is the starting point for GrpN.

Either way, I am not looking to get into a heated debate over this, I am merely stating my opinion in response to yours.

Pro Boy

but the rb320 still hasnt sold as quick out like the wr1 did, only just sold over 200 so the local dealer says, good way of getting rid of old stock prior to the new model coming.

just another balck sti with afew extrsa

nec

i have ordered one and the main reason for it was i had an my03 sti and was looking to mod it some more , the thing is the money you spend on it you dont get back and the value was going down as well, so took the plunge and ordered one from looking at the residual value of the p1,rb5 and wr1 it will be good drove the RB320 on fri morning power is great lots of torque handles very good and is not to harsh the brakes were ok same as my old car (ok for roads not for tracks) the only two things i dont like was the bule carpet and the gold brembo's on a black car so will probably go for some ap's front and rear

this is what i think anway


what ever you decide to do it will be right for you


good luck




Neil

Adidas

Best of luck with the new car, just out of interest have you spec'd it with or without the leather seats?

SPIKE LIKE MIKE

SO!!! in conclusion Rob:

You've had a dig at the spec C

Stated the WR1 is a better car

And sold it for a spec-d

So....when are you getting an RB320