Gangsta Smurf

Wow!!! What modifications have you done to your warranty??? ... Ooops you don't have one!!!

Why modify?? Just go and buy a fast car in the first place!

Varboy

you are of course right overall, but there is something challenging about making a good car better, plus you could get a faster car but there are more reasons for buying a scoob than downright speed.

I bet that most people on here if they had a 911 Turbo would still go out and mod it, as they are that way inclined.

Back to your comment though, I agree, there comes a point where the price of mods increases exponentially versus the performance increase.

At that point, it's time to graduate to an Evo, Skyline 911 Turbo etc

marmski

I think you might find that Standard vs Standard they are almost exactly the same... the difference with an Evo is that you can get a higher factory tuned version than Subaru currently offer (in their MR/FQ range)

RB320 vs FQ320 would be an interesting one....

RB320 0-60 = 4.8secs
FQ320 0-60 = 4.5secs

(both figures taken from Manufacturers websites)

I will agree the Evo is faster on paper, but the differences are soo negliable they arent really even worth talking about.... im have watched loads of Japanese magazine DVD's and they are always racing like for like Evo vs Impreza... it depends on track which wins... even between the Spec C and Standard STi its not quite as clear cut as everyone makes it.. because the weight saving doesnt benefit the Spec C on some tighter tracks with a high wind.

Basically what im trying to say is that drivers of our skill levels will not notice the difference between and Evo and an Impreza like for like... we are talking miliseconds differences. What you may notice is that the Evo transmits the speed to your body better than the Impreza which rarely feels like its going as quick as it is.

Choose the car you like... drive them both... they are both excellent examples of technical advances in what a car can actually achieve on the limit.

john banks

The nice thing with something like an Evo IX FQ320 is that you can spend £215 and get about 400 BHP out of it without worry about the engine popping and with full boost at 2500 RPM.

reano

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Gansta My car is my53 and so the warranty has expired so just in case you were 'trying' to be smart that kills that doesn't it. Next up I do have a fast car. 3rd my car was a few grand cheaper than the equivalent Mitsu so with the change I upgraded it to make it a lot faster than any equivalent costing Mitsu (please Mitsu lovers remember that in your argument). Next with the cost I save over owning a MItsu (that I have owned) I can upgrade beyond if I want to but I don't. It's a fantastic daily driver.

I have no problems with a Mitsu Evo I like them more than the other competition out there but always remember for cars that are so similar the plus points for Subaru far outway the Mitsu.

For example if you were to buy a Mitsu with the same power as a Subaru say with PPP you normally have £2 - £3k extra to play with and with that cash the upgrades you do will make your car better than the Mitsu. The Mitsu won't look as good, will not be as economical to run or to cope with day to day. If you want a track car like I said get something that is a lot better for the track and costs a lot less.
So the comparison should always be on cost equivalent or lets start comparing the Evo to a bugatti!!! Once the cost is taken into account all the performance will be the same or better for the Subaru and then there are no further benefits for the Evo . I have the cash and done the comparison myself and never felt the same in an Evo as I have in my upgraded Subaru (again for the price).
The person who then mentioned the 360 well I don't think there would be much in an Evo 360 standard (have driven the 340 ) and my car so why would I want to pay £18k plus more for the Mitsu Next you mentioned the FQ400. At £40k or whatver it was jeezzz I'd just go for a T25 no contest!!! My wife brought her car from Extreme auto and I think the only Mitsu that would now tempt me is the Evo X as it try's to address the short comings of the Mitsu, namely the looks, the service intervals, running cost, etc when this comes out then maybe.

evo6lee

buy the mr fq not the fq, more tuning potential, bigger turbo, cams etc, however if your into tuning my mate has an evo 8 260 (which are far cheaper than the rest)which is now pushing 380 horses without too much trouble, needs the gay rear spoiler ditching though, his looks the biz now with all his carbon bits and bobs.......this is of course you go the evo route

john banks

I get the same economy from my Evo IX as I did from my Scooby (even as standard) and M3. About 22mpg in mixed use. Running costs are inexpensive for the performance.

My objection to the present/recent UK/Euro Imprezas is that the engines are weak on performance and/or strength in standard/modified form. With an Evo you don't need to worry about the standard turbo, intercooler, injectors, exhaust manifold, pistons all of which are issues on a 400 BHP UK/Euro Scooby. You simply change the exhaust, fit a fuel pump and remap it.

reano

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Hey John, got to agree with you on the above one thing I would say is I'm still talking about daily drivers, at 350 - 360bhp on a Scooby for a daily driver not sure why you would want more. When you start going out to 400bhp you start to change things that are normally going to be good for beyond 500bhp. Then you start a completely different ball game. At the end of the day as mentioned the straight oh Evo is better doesn't equate when price is equivalent as per my fq400 vs t25, ppp vs fq300, etc. I can barely hold on to mine at 355bhp and everythings spot on (brakes, handling, etc). I'm not sure I'd want 400+ on a daily (well thats me).

john banks

400 BHP feels fine in an Evo IX as a daily driver in terms of poise and grip, the law, visibility and other road users seem to be the limits.

reano

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John thats what i mean for my Scooby I'm not saying the Scooby can't cope! The brakes are 355, AP 6 pot, Fer 2500, handling zzzzzzz. I'm saying the power you have at probably even 320 is enough for daily driving. Plus mines comfortable to drive I find the Evo very skitty and hard. I even had to add noisekiller to the Scooby. Maybe I got sensitive feel.

john banks

Tried an Evo on Bilsteins - VIII MR or IX? Feels very similar to 05 STI to me. I also put sound deadening in the Evo's boot yesterday because of exhaust noise, think I'll also do the floor pan as well. Did you feel a nice difference?

Alan Jeffery

Every day I drive Imprezas and Evos. As we modify a lot of them, I find myself running customers cars in and testing them all the time, so I rarely get to drive my own Evo 6. When I do, it's an absolute joy. We stroked it to 2.3, and fitted a Turbo Technics T38. Pulls from really low down and incredible torque. Smooth to drive and less twitchy than an Evo 7 or 8. I sold a very low mileage P1 when I bought the Evo, and only regret it occasionally. I wish I could have kept both, but I have plenty of Scoobies to drive, and not so many Evos!

Bone

What the stats say on the sites is one thing but we all know what happens when you take Mistubishis version and race it against the Impreza equivilent. The WR1 claimed to be a near match for the evos and looked how that got toasted. In fact it hardly went any higher than the STi on the Top gear board.

The Evo may be more to run but lets face it every time Subaru go up against them they come off worse. Besides the Impreza is not a diesel either is it.

I actually prefer the Impreza looks and sound wise but its a shame the Impreza really is not upto racing with the Evo.

Thats why the Evo owner just sits there laughing when he pastes another Subaru, because he knows the driver he just raped will be on the internet ordering parts as soon as he gets home.

Even then the Subaru guy will probably be driving around a while trying to find an Evo to race again whilst an Impreza can be found to race every few minutes.

As they say you know you're an evo owner when "a Subaru driver doesn't want to look you in the eye"

Mr Bat

Are you 12 or do you have an extremely small packet?

reano

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Don't worry about him Bat he obviously cannot read just ignore

reano

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John the Floor pan will really make a diference. Low vibration under your feet and less noise it will feel like you've upgraded the suspension. I went the full hog all in one go and probably the best c£200 spent the sound isolation material they have is really good see Noisekiller UK - Sound Proofing Cars

Brun

Sense at last

T-uk

it is sickening just how easy the evo's are to 400bhp , although I do think a 330bhp scoob will still be more fun to drive and possibly not far enough behind for me to swap to the evo .

I find driving john banks' evo that it can almost never be in the wrong gear as it just pulls from nothing , there is no kick , no pay off other than getting to speed very quickly where as with the scoob , it has to be in the right gear or you look a tit when nothing happens , when it does kick you feel it and the pay off is the confidence it gives the driver .

imo , with lightly modded cars , the evo is the faster but the scoob is the more fun and better suited to road use . john's evo is firmer , skippier and louder even ignoring the exhaust .

PCM

It cost more then £215 to get 400/400 out of a 9 and those 400/400 figures are bollocks.The most you can get out of a 9 is 360/360.

I had a ix gt with a 3" turbo back exhaust,boost controler,induction kit and remap(£1800) and that was running 360/360.

I talked to a number of tuners and they all told me who ever claims 400/400with a remap,induction kit and exhaust is talking rubbish.

Maz

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Having bought a modified Evo seven a year or so back I have to profess whilst being awesome point to point machines they trail the Impreza as a daily driver. Yes they go well, stop well (with APs all round) and corner well (with Cusco Zero suspension) but they are very synthetic and clinical. I was back in an Impreza within three months.

MrRA

My personal experience of driving an Evo left me feeling that they can be a very unstable car over certain roads. Far too twitchy for my liking and gave me this sense that it would happily swap ends without notice.

As Einstein RA said, a far too clinical and synthetic car. The Impreza (well mine anyway ) feels a lot more neutral and predictable when pushing on.

scubaladdie

Not sure where you get the idea the Evo has no feeling of kick, on full boost my Evo 6 has the most phenomenal shove, it's now running 1.5bar boost but even at stock 1.1 bar the kick felt much harder than the P1's I also test drove.... didn't seem to kick-in quite as early but definitely much harder in the Evo.... never driven an Evo 8 or 9 so can't comment but have heard they're a bit smoother with less kick

Maz

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My Evo was running 1.8 bar boost and whilst it was undoubtedly faster than my Impreza (standard) except exhaust, there wasn't as much in it as you would expect.

scubaladdie

I'm getting Piper 280 cams and a re-map soon to 1.7bar, can't wait...

Love the Evo to bits, that said I have a huge soft spot for the P1 and STi Type-R

Had a race with an STi V3 and although I pulled away big style from 60 onwards I was surprised how close it was from standing to 60, and I'm saying I pulled away big-style.... he could just have seen sense and taken his foot off the gas for all I know !

Maz

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Consider the HKS 272 cams, they offer good lift and even idle, are you using aftermarket management?

scubaladdie

EcuTek re-map of the stock ECU, Sam who's doing my mapping has mapped plenty of 272 and a few 280 cam-equipped cars with EcuTek... was thinking of the 272's as well, plus there's a few of them kicking about 2nd-hand

Maz

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Best bet using the standard ECU. I had Apexi management and had cutting out issues.

scubaladdie

Yeh, had looked at aftermarket but the EcuTek and MAF sensor are good for slightly over 400bhp which is the highest I'll be going.Sam was advising the less parts I replace the better and more reliable the car will be, EcuTek is a third of the cost of Autronics and a quarter the cost of Motec, plus retains the stock idle, knock sensing etc

Also he reckons the 272 cams will work fine with stock springs and retainers I'll just need vernier pulleys, the other option he suggested was MR cams which just drop straight in and use stock pulleys etc

THOMO

both good cars .had both evos and scoobs

the positives on evo are as follows:
cheaper to modify
can take a lot more horses on standard engine
they dont require a craplink
not prone to blown engines

negatives on scoobs are :
there is nothing better on a scoob thats on a evo !!

IN MY HONEST ON THE FENCE OPINION, WHICH IM ENTITLED TOO

scubaladdie

Have to say I'm very much an Evo and scoob lover !