Luan Pra bang

I am English but some people here can't believe that becuase I understand and suport the need for immigration in the UK. The issue is clouded by the notion of over developement. 'It looks nice' is not really a good enough reason to force farmers to farm land that is totally non profitable and then subsidise them to stay in business. 2 house' per acre or some other sensitive low density solution is hardly going to create an eyesore.

KiwiGTI

It's quite incredible the amount of money the Labour government and it's agencies have given to businesses. There have been a lot of people that have gotten very rich because of them. If you take just the IT projects for example, the sheer amount of money given to Capita, LogicaCMG, PWC, CapGemini etc is atonishing.

scoobynutta555

I haven't heard a single case as yet for building on Green Belt land. Simply trotting out overcrowding and cheaper housing is no excuse for building on protected virgin land. The very reason for protected green spaces was to stop creeping urbanisation of the whole country. If you start breaking up protected green areas where does it end, where do you stop, keep going 'til the last blade of grass is mown down?

Yes, lets do away with Green Belt and have one massive urban sprawl from the south coast to Liverpool. We could rename it Los Londpool

If there are drought orders and congested roads aplenty in and around London and the South East, tell me how is shovelling more cardboad houses into these areas going to improve matters?


We're already one of the most overcrowded nations on Earth. You build more houses and you'll do is create more and more demand.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ensity_map.PNG

Luan Pra bang

yes we are over crowded
we have the 48th highest population density in the world with hell holes like the maldives, barbados and saint lucia all being more over crowded than the UK.

myblackwrx

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I wasn't trying to be racist with the 'where you from question' hope you didn't think that.
I to agree with immigration just not the large amount this country seems to let in (not helped really because we need the workers because of the amount of dole scroungers who don't want to work).
If the builders were only allowed to do low density buildings it would be fine but its the start of a slippery slope as they would keep pushing for more and more area to build on for sheer profit.
If is this country needs more houses the regeneration of derelict sites in the towns would a lot better.

Sbradley

I recognise the need for plentiful, affordable housing, and perhaps even accept that ultimately it's more important to get roofs over people's heads than to have great swathes of empty countryside preserved as sacrosanct no matter what. But your 2 houses an acre won't address the problem - you won't be able to build enough of them and they won't be even remotely affordable when you do.

There are areas in the UK where there is a high proportion of empty or derelict housing. Fix it up, rebuild it, regenerate the area, whatever it needs, but do that first, before raiding the Green Belt.

Like it or not, part of what makes at least large parts of our country nice to live in is the amount of countryside we have. And your argument about our not really being overcrowded at all is false - as a country on the whole we're not overcrowded, no. Dartmoor is almost empty, as are similar areas in Yorkshire, Cumbria, Scotland and so on. But we're not talking about building there, are we? We're talking about the South East, where we genuinely are overcrowded and quality of life suffers as a result, where our water and sewerage infrastructures aren't able to cope already and our roads are full to bursting point.

That's the point. Fix up the derelict houses in Sheffield, Liverpool and the like and let people who need housing live there cheap. Maybe it'll bring work in and start to drag the places up from the gutters they're currently bumping along in, who knows?

SB

PS I don't mean all of Sheffield, Liverpool etc are in the gutters. Just in case anyone gets uppity about it...

scoobynutta555

Been to the Maldives have you? I have. However, I wouldn't fancy living on the islands populated solely by the natives.

I'd imagine the very smallest countries feature heavily at the top of population density. Indeed the Vatican comes top does it not? Your point is somewhat diluted when not comparing like with like.