Whats Wrong With Scoobynet?
21 November 2001, 03:53 PM
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Two things: the current problems are either database or ASP related. My vote is on an ASP problem. They can not be related to your browser version.
ASP on Scoobynet sometimes locks up. Whether it's waiting for a db query to return I don't know, but even non database related pages that use ASP don't work when it's locked. The server is fine (you can always go to www.scoobynet.co.uk without a problem) but when you try an ASP page (go to the ESoft link from the main page) it is also locked up as soon as you leave normal HTML.
Does anyone know if ASP is supposed to be multithreaded BTW ?
Also, I think Simon is away (RAC ?) so he can't do the little fixes & nurturing he normally does with Scoobynet. Let's sit this out until Monday shall we ?
Theo
ASP on Scoobynet sometimes locks up. Whether it's waiting for a db query to return I don't know, but even non database related pages that use ASP don't work when it's locked. The server is fine (you can always go to www.scoobynet.co.uk without a problem) but when you try an ASP page (go to the ESoft link from the main page) it is also locked up as soon as you leave normal HTML.
Does anyone know if ASP is supposed to be multithreaded BTW ?
Also, I think Simon is away (RAC ?) so he can't do the little fixes & nurturing he normally does with Scoobynet. Let's sit this out until Monday shall we ?
Theo
21 November 2001, 04:01 PM
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Well,
Ian, I hate to disagree with an obvously clever IT bod, but I get the same problem with IE5.5SP2 on Win2K (SP2) also....
Matt
Ian, I hate to disagree with an obvously clever IT bod, but I get the same problem with IE5.5SP2 on Win2K (SP2) also....
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21 November 2001, 05:17 PM
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baffled 
I get the same problem on IE5 from work & from home
Either that or every time I post it crashes scoobynet, or is that just a coincidence
[Edited by CharlieWhiskey - 11/21/2001 5:43:06 PM]
21 November 2001, 05:46 PM
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Chris, if you are correct, then it should not be a problem with MySQL ? I did some tests, and it's really ASP completely locking up, not the server. Say that there is a deadlock or whatever between 2 queries, ASP should still be able to service the other connections/threads ?
Can you "finetune" ASP in any way ?
I wish I could help out, but I have only experience with ISAPI.
Theo
Can you "finetune" ASP in any way ?
I wish I could help out, but I have only experience with ISAPI.
Theo
21 November 2001, 06:00 PM
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Noticed my own PC is having IIS5 troubles.
Its serving normal HTML, but the ASP DLL dies a death needing a reboot. Copy the same ASP source to a different machine and it runs perfectly.
When Scoobynet crashes, is it still serving std HTML etc?
Hmmmm
Bri
Its serving normal HTML, but the ASP DLL dies a death needing a reboot. Copy the same ASP source to a different machine and it runs perfectly.
When Scoobynet crashes, is it still serving std HTML etc?
Hmmmm
Bri
21 November 2001, 06:09 PM
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Noticed my own PC is having IIS5 troubles.
Its serving normal HTML, but the ASP DLL dies a death needing a reboot. Copy the same ASP source to a different machine and it runs perfectly.
When Scoobynet crashes, is it still serving std HTML etc?
Hmmmm
Bri
Its serving normal HTML, but the ASP DLL dies a death needing a reboot. Copy the same ASP source to a different machine and it runs perfectly.
When Scoobynet crashes, is it still serving std HTML etc?
Hmmmm
Bri
21 November 2001, 06:15 PM
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Bri, yes, html is no problem... try http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/ when the bbs seems to be dead, and it works instantly. Same for the dyno pages etc... Try a non database related page but with asp however (like getting into chat) and it doesn't work.
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21 November 2001, 06:19 PM
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In my opinion: ASP sucks full stop that is the long and short of it. IIS also sucks so put the two together and your bound to have problems! Which suck!! 
There is a lot of tuning you can do to both IIS and the ASP code to make it run more efficently. The recent problems seem to be more IIS based as the threadpool seems to be overloading, which is the error im getting a lot. Of course this good also be due to inefficient ASP which is not processing fast enough to deal with the load. Its unlikely Mysql is causing problems though there could be some kind of connection failure which is slowing ASP down. Bear in mind the Application Server and ASP is virtually one piece of software and FREE so not exactly an enterprise solution!!
I have no idea what kind of load scoobynet is getting but I would be surprised if IIS,ASP,mysql couldn't handle it. So something in the archtecture is amiss.
If the hitload is the problem, see below
The solution:
First Off decent HTTP Server, Apache, Website Pro etc..
Second Off Decent App Server: Cold Fusion, Standalone ASP, Jrun
Third a decent database?? SQL Server
Fourth some money and time!
IMHO
Pete
There is a lot of tuning you can do to both IIS and the ASP code to make it run more efficently. The recent problems seem to be more IIS based as the threadpool seems to be overloading, which is the error im getting a lot. Of course this good also be due to inefficient ASP which is not processing fast enough to deal with the load. Its unlikely Mysql is causing problems though there could be some kind of connection failure which is slowing ASP down. Bear in mind the Application Server and ASP is virtually one piece of software and FREE so not exactly an enterprise solution!!
I have no idea what kind of load scoobynet is getting but I would be surprised if IIS,ASP,mysql couldn't handle it. So something in the archtecture is amiss.
If the hitload is the problem, see below
The solution:
First Off decent HTTP Server, Apache, Website Pro etc..
Second Off Decent App Server: Cold Fusion, Standalone ASP, Jrun
Third a decent database?? SQL Server
Fourth some money and time!
IMHO
Pete
21 November 2001, 06:26 PM
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I have a lot of time for scoobynet if there is anything i can do to help i will do so.
I have the deepist respect for the people who work hard to put this together,well done.
kind regards
JIM
I have the deepist respect for the people who work hard to put this together,well done.
kind regards
JIM
21 November 2001, 06:37 PM
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Hi
Firstly Apologies for not being able to reply sooner.
I am at rally gb until monday and am working pretty much around the clock so don't have any access to the internet as a rule.
We are working on the current (over the last 2 days) problems and also the general freezing issues. It does indeed appear to be an asp issue, and I think the easiest solution is to upgrade the server to cope with the traffic we now have (over 11 million hits a month!).
I am very grateful for your support and patience in the mean time.
All the best
Simon
Firstly Apologies for not being able to reply sooner.
I am at rally gb until monday and am working pretty much around the clock so don't have any access to the internet as a rule.
We are working on the current (over the last 2 days) problems and also the general freezing issues. It does indeed appear to be an asp issue, and I think the easiest solution is to upgrade the server to cope with the traffic we now have (over 11 million hits a month!).
I am very grateful for your support and patience in the mean time.
All the best
Simon
21 November 2001, 07:10 PM
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Hi
Firstly Apologies for not being able to reply sooner.
I am at rally gb until monday and am working pretty much around the clock so don't have any access to the internet as a rule.
We are working on the current (over the last 2 days) problems and also the general freezing issues. It does indeed appear to be an asp issue, and I think the easiest solution is to upgrade the server to cope with the traffic we now have (over 11 million hits a month!).
I am very grateful for your support and patience in the mean time.
All the best
Simon
Firstly Apologies for not being able to reply sooner.
I am at rally gb until monday and am working pretty much around the clock so don't have any access to the internet as a rule.
We are working on the current (over the last 2 days) problems and also the general freezing issues. It does indeed appear to be an asp issue, and I think the easiest solution is to upgrade the server to cope with the traffic we now have (over 11 million hits a month!).
I am very grateful for your support and patience in the mean time.
All the best
Simon
21 November 2001, 07:17 PM
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Eight Million hits a month wow that is pretty impressive!!
Simon time to upgrade your system!!
I assume you have your own box?
As I said to you before Im happy to help in any way free of charge
Pete
Simon time to upgrade your system!!
I assume you have your own box?
As I said to you before Im happy to help in any way free of charge
Pete
21 November 2001, 07:53 PM
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First Off decent HTTP Server, Apache, Website Pro etc..
Second Off Decent App Server: Cold Fusion, Standalone ASP, Jrun
Third a decent database?? SQL Server
Fourth some money and time!
Second Off Decent App Server: Cold Fusion, Standalone ASP, Jrun
Third a decent database?? SQL Server
Fourth some money and time!
I'm sure Simon will want to bin the months of work he's already put into the software...SQL Server Per CPU licenses are horribly expensive.
21 November 2001, 09:32 PM
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Trout, I probably explained badly: of course the moment you try to get back to the bbs from the front page, it still hangs. I was trying to say that the server is still handling http / html requests without any problems (unlike when there were problems with UBB when the server itself came to a grinding halt). I'm not disputing the fact that the lock is there for everyone, I'm saying that it's a specific asp problem.
Simon, I think the server can handle this without any problems, it must be an ASP config issue. I also think that it's not a MySQL problem. As you know I prefer and recommended MS SQL Server, but with those prices that is just not a serious option
It may be something very small ... of course, when the lock does happen, people will refresh & refresh & refresh, and push the Reply button a few times, so bandwidth becomes an issue as well. But I don't think you should just throw money at hardware when it could well be a config issue.
You wrote the software for the new bbs and I doubt many people understand what an enormous task/acccomplishment that has been... I for one have no problem living with / trying to solve it's infancy diseases instead of shouting "technology xyz will cure your problem"
Theo
Simon, I think the server can handle this without any problems, it must be an ASP config issue. I also think that it's not a MySQL problem. As you know I prefer and recommended MS SQL Server, but with those prices that is just not a serious option
It may be something very small ... of course, when the lock does happen, people will refresh & refresh & refresh, and push the Reply button a few times, so bandwidth becomes an issue as well. But I don't think you should just throw money at hardware when it could well be a config issue.
You wrote the software for the new bbs and I doubt many people understand what an enormous task/acccomplishment that has been... I for one have no problem living with / trying to solve it's infancy diseases instead of shouting "technology xyz will cure your problem"
Theo
21 November 2001, 10:01 PM
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I'm sure we all have our favourites of what's good and what's not. However, I would bet a fair wedge of cash Simon isn't going to bin everything he's written so far and move to something completely new.
Some step through tracing should pinpoint the problem. Let's try to give Simon as much useful info as possible about the problem rather than offer our 2 pence.
[Edited by ChrisB - 11/21/2001 10:08:54 PM]
21 November 2001, 10:18 PM
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Useful info........ (prob not)
When I kicked of a search the other day, as in searching all the messages and not just the titles, the asp page went off and did its stuff, I fired up another browser window to view other forums, but did it.... no, the bbs ground to a halt until my search finished. Has happened a few times now.
My theory... "Select" statements taking too long...
Hope this helps.
H
When I kicked of a search the other day, as in searching all the messages and not just the titles, the asp page went off and did its stuff, I fired up another browser window to view other forums, but did it.... no, the bbs ground to a halt until my search finished. Has happened a few times now.
My theory... "Select" statements taking too long...
Hope this helps.
H
21 November 2001, 10:22 PM
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Previous post timed out but posted fine. Heres the error I got:
jmail.Message error '8000ffff'
The message was undeliverable. All servers failed to receive the message
/bbs/PostReply.asp, line 173
Laters
H
jmail.Message error '8000ffff'
The message was undeliverable. All servers failed to receive the message
/bbs/PostReply.asp, line 173
Laters
H
22 November 2001, 08:46 AM
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Having been involved in the creation of a system recently using Java Beans, etc...We also encountered double posting thanks to a fault in IE5.5
Why this should all of a sudden become such a phenomena on Scoobynet is beyond me. We've never found probelms with ASP systems.
Who's using IE6?? I suggest using IE5 or 5.5 for a while - NEVER use new software from THAT company until it's been debugged/patched for a year!!
Why this should all of a sudden become such a phenomena on Scoobynet is beyond me. We've never found probelms with ASP systems.
Who's using IE6?? I suggest using IE5 or 5.5 for a while - NEVER use new software from THAT company until it's been debugged/patched for a year!!
22 November 2001, 08:49 AM
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Having been involved in the creation of a system recently using Java Beans, etc...We also encountered double posting thanks to a fault in IE5.5
Why this should all of a sudden become such a phenomena on Scoobynet is beyond me. We've never found probelms with ASP systems.
Who's using IE6?? I suggest using IE5 or 5.5 for a while - NEVER use new software from THAT company until it's been debugged/patched for a year!!
Why this should all of a sudden become such a phenomena on Scoobynet is beyond me. We've never found probelms with ASP systems.
Who's using IE6?? I suggest using IE5 or 5.5 for a while - NEVER use new software from THAT company until it's been debugged/patched for a year!!
22 November 2001, 09:41 AM
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Just like to add that whenever I "reply", the reply appears on the post, but the reply screen never goes away.
If I submit changes, it works just like it used to and returns me to the topic.
If I submit changes, it works just like it used to and returns me to the topic.
22 November 2001, 03:09 PM
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I've got loads of time off at the moment and medium/large scale web solutions is my job. Microsoft products just aren't reliable enough to handle that amount of transfer in my experience, I've sccessfully migrated big sites from NT to UNIX (and changed a CMS at the same time once) and got massive improvements in reliability and speed. There is far superior free software out there, but it takes a long time to move these things about and if you want parallel running you need extra hardware to proxy the requests. All costs money in the end, and ScoobyNet is free!
Steve.
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