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14 September 2006, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Vapid, calm down with the insults, I hope you're not that much of a **** in real life 
You give Northerners a bad name
You give Northerners a bad name
14 September 2006, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Vapid
Calm down with the insults followed by an insult? How can I put it best? I know- STFU.
I just wanted to add my positive experiences with 330Ds, but not forgetting their balance of strengths and weaknesses.
It's all relative, but wishbone replacement is not that expensive - well not compared to a blown turbo anyway.
And I'm still a great Scooby fan - it's just tempered by the fact that they do go wrong, sometimes big time (as do BMWs of course).
Seriously, whilst being completely different from Scoobies, 330Ds are a good drive and a superb all-round package - I definitely recommend them!
Have a good day...
14 September 2006, 12:44 PM
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Charming...
I just wanted to add my positive experiences with 330Ds, but not forgetting their balance of strengths and weaknesses.
It's all relative, but wishbone replacement is not that expensive - well not compared to a blown turbo anyway.
And I'm still a great Scooby fan - it's just tempered by the fact that they do go wrong, sometimes big time (as do BMWs of course).
Seriously, whilst being completely different from Scoobies, 330Ds are a good drive and a superb all-round package - I definitely recommend them!
Have a good day...
I just wanted to add my positive experiences with 330Ds, but not forgetting their balance of strengths and weaknesses.
It's all relative, but wishbone replacement is not that expensive - well not compared to a blown turbo anyway.
And I'm still a great Scooby fan - it's just tempered by the fact that they do go wrong, sometimes big time (as do BMWs of course).
Seriously, whilst being completely different from Scoobies, 330Ds are a good drive and a superb all-round package - I definitely recommend them!
Have a good day...
My wifes is the manual sport model-best car shes ever had bar none,03 plate bought when 12 months old,done over 30,000 miles in it(trouble free)
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14 September 2006, 01:03 PM
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I had a chipped 330D which pushed out about 225bhp and loads of torque. Outrun a couple of standard WRXs much to their owner's shame, oh and still got about 45mpg despite gunning it everywhere.
Although I love my current Sub I would say that the BM was the best all round car I have ever owned.
I did have a couple of probs but what can you expect for a 3yr old with 110k on the clock.
Faults were:
split intake manifold (BMW in their wisdom make these out plastic, probably bakelite. BM went halves on replacing this as the car was out of warranty.
The transmission donut went, again this is common but didn't cost much.
Rear spring corroded and snapped wtf!!
Worst prob was the extra torque and my lead foot led to the drivetrain problems with the rear drive shafts rumbling under hard acceleration.
At this point a part exed as I could tell bills were going to start getting pricey!!
In summary, If I could get one pushng out about 350bhp I would defo get one again.
A remapped 535d would fit the bill here
Although I love my current Sub I would say that the BM was the best all round car I have ever owned.
I did have a couple of probs but what can you expect for a 3yr old with 110k on the clock.
Faults were:
split intake manifold (BMW in their wisdom make these out plastic, probably bakelite. BM went halves on replacing this as the car was out of warranty.
The transmission donut went, again this is common but didn't cost much.
Rear spring corroded and snapped wtf!!
Worst prob was the extra torque and my lead foot led to the drivetrain problems with the rear drive shafts rumbling under hard acceleration.
At this point a part exed as I could tell bills were going to start getting pricey!!
In summary, If I could get one pushng out about 350bhp I would defo get one again.
A remapped 535d would fit the bill here
14 September 2006, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Vapid
It is, I've owned a 330D, 320D and 330 petrol and the turbo'd cars either had been subject to turbo replacement before I got it (the 330d) or were suffering the first signs of it (320D). I guess you should try and find out something about the subject before shooting off your mouth?
Go register on BMW land and take a look at what people who know what they are talking about say.
BTW what is 'diesel envy'?
Go register on BMW land and take a look at what people who know what they are talking about say.
BTW what is 'diesel envy'?
"320D se 52 plate with 56k on the clock. Was driving home yesterday suddenly clouds of white smoke and no power ( taking it to get looked at today. Its already on its second turbo, had a new 1 when it was 2 months old.
I have an 03 320D with about 52K on the clock, it does seem fairly common for these turbo's to go. On a 530D Touring Auto we had, the turbo went at about 245k miles. It was a 51 plate.
sorry to hear .these posts scare the life out off me my 330d has done 113k and as far as i know its still on its first turbo its also on a 03 plate so touch wood it lasts forever
Don't worry, 330d doesn't suffere the same turbo reliability problem as the 320, and that only started when the 320d engine was uprated from 136 to 150bhp in 2001.It was an unforseen design problem which only showed up in certain circumstances and BMW fixed it when they realised what was happening to cause so many failures.
i have recently purchased a 320d 150 bhp with 69k on the clock, the turbo was replaced at around 55k at BMW dealers I have the receipt to prove, whats the chances of this going again?
True forums like this highlight the small incidents of failures."
Mmmmmm, looks like it's not me that's mis-informed fella!
TX.
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15 September 2006, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Some quotes from a single thread on BMW Land:
"320D se 52 plate with 56k on the clock. Was driving home yesterday suddenly clouds of white smoke and no power ( taking it to get looked at today. Its already on its second turbo, had a new 1 when it was 2 months old.
I have an 03 320D with about 52K on the clock, it does seem fairly common for these turbo's to go. On a 530D Touring Auto we had, the turbo went at about 245k miles. It was a 51 plate.
sorry to hear .these posts scare the life out off me my 330d has done 113k and as far as i know its still on its first turbo its also on a 03 plate so touch wood it lasts forever
Don't worry, 330d doesn't suffere the same turbo reliability problem as the 320, and that only started when the 320d engine was uprated from 136 to 150bhp in 2001.It was an unforseen design problem which only showed up in certain circumstances and BMW fixed it when they realised what was happening to cause so many failures.
i have recently purchased a 320d 150 bhp with 69k on the clock, the turbo was replaced at around 55k at BMW dealers I have the receipt to prove, whats the chances of this going again?
True forums like this highlight the small incidents of failures."
Mmmmmm, looks like it's not me that's mis-informed fella!
TX.
"320D se 52 plate with 56k on the clock. Was driving home yesterday suddenly clouds of white smoke and no power ( taking it to get looked at today. Its already on its second turbo, had a new 1 when it was 2 months old.
I have an 03 320D with about 52K on the clock, it does seem fairly common for these turbo's to go. On a 530D Touring Auto we had, the turbo went at about 245k miles. It was a 51 plate.
sorry to hear .these posts scare the life out off me my 330d has done 113k and as far as i know its still on its first turbo its also on a 03 plate so touch wood it lasts forever
Don't worry, 330d doesn't suffere the same turbo reliability problem as the 320, and that only started when the 320d engine was uprated from 136 to 150bhp in 2001.It was an unforseen design problem which only showed up in certain circumstances and BMW fixed it when they realised what was happening to cause so many failures.
i have recently purchased a 320d 150 bhp with 69k on the clock, the turbo was replaced at around 55k at BMW dealers I have the receipt to prove, whats the chances of this going again?
True forums like this highlight the small incidents of failures."
Mmmmmm, looks like it's not me that's mis-informed fella!
TX.
Quotes from a single thread. Spend a few years on BMW land like I've done and you'll see a lot more than a single thread on 330D turbo failures.
Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures
It pays to do your research before shooting your mouth off.
15 September 2006, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Vapid
Quotes from a single thread. Spend a few years on BMW land like I've done and you'll see a lot more than a single thread on 330D turbo failures.
Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures
It pays to do your research before shooting your mouth off.
Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures
It pays to do your research before shooting your mouth off.
There do appear to be some design flaws though, and the 2001 facelift saw power output increased and failures more prevalent.
15 September 2006, 08:14 AM
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I bought a 2002 530d Sport manual back in March but it had it up for sale 4 weeks later as it was so boring. 
This is even after having it remapped.
As mentioned before the turbo's don't seem to last very long but you can pick them up for £600 and fit them yourself, it isn't rocket science.
This is even after having it remapped. As mentioned before the turbo's don't seem to last very long but you can pick them up for £600 and fit them yourself, it isn't rocket science.
15 September 2006, 08:33 AM
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Ok, lets summarize.................
BMW Diesels, either the 320 or the 330, get cars, good mpg, manuals return better mpg than autos. However, like all turbo cars, turbos can blow.
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BMW Diesels, either the 320 or the 330, get cars, good mpg, manuals return better mpg than autos. However, like all turbo cars, turbos can blow.
:-)
SBK
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They are great cars I don't think anyone has denied that. They are prone to turbo failure and if we're being picky the trim doesn't wear well. Even the leather feels cheap and why don't BMW include lumbar on a set of sports seats with electrical adjustment costing over £1500? Plus the standard stereo (and even HK that I had) is crap.
SBK it's more than that, the turbos are more prone to failure than many cars.
SBK it's more than that, the turbos are more prone to failure than many cars.
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Originally Posted by Vapid
They are great cars I don't think anyone has denied that. They are prone to turbo failure and if we're being picky the trim doesn't wear well. Even the leather feels cheap and why don't BMW include lumbar on a set of sports seats with electrical adjustment costing over £1500? Plus the standard stereo (and even HK that I had) is crap.
SBK it's more than that, the turbos are more prone to failure than many cars.
SBK it's more than that, the turbos are more prone to failure than many cars.
15 September 2006, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MattW
I'd go along with that. BMW have various grades of leather, the majority of cars are going to have the cheaper option, not that it is exactly inexpensive.
15 September 2006, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Vapid
My coupe had black 'nappa leather' (the stuff which swathes the cockpit and door cards as well) which as I bought it secondhand have no idea which grade it was. What I do know is that it seemed very cheap and wasn't wearing well even at 3 yrs old. Even my Impreza had a harder wearing leather interior albeit a horribly plastic one.
15 September 2006, 10:21 AM
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I'm not sure where you get the idea of the BMW leather interior feeling 'cheap' from. My 330d has full leather and it's quality - barely a mark on it and the car has over 40k on the clock (which is surely a better indicator of the use the car has had rather than just the age). The car is now 2 years old.
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
I'm not sure where you get the idea of the BMW leather interior feeling 'cheap' from. My 330d has full leather and it's quality - barely a mark on it and the car has over 40k on the clock (which is surely a better indicator of the use the car has had rather than just the age). The car is now 2 years old.
BMW leather is notorious for it and E46's in particular for having far worse build quality than say an E39. May or may not have something to do with the fact most E46's are made in South Africa.
15 September 2006, 03:13 PM
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Our E46 has 90k on it, 2004 model and the leather is fine, no signs of wear.
I agree about some of the trim though, especially that carbon look stuff that scratches easily.
I agree about some of the trim though, especially that carbon look stuff that scratches easily.
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Thanks for all the info guys its been a huge help. Just need to find one now but Im being picky because I want an auto and it must be silver, terminator whats yours?
Cheers
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Cheers
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Originally Posted by Vapid
Quotes from a single thread. Spend a few years on BMW land like I've done and you'll see a lot more than a single thread on 330D turbo failures.
Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures
It pays to do your research before shooting your mouth off.
Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures
It pays to do your research before shooting your mouth off.
TX.
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You're missing the point my friend. I'm saying that it seems to be fairly common on the 320d's, less so (very less so as it rarely happens) on the 330d's. I've not said that it NEVER happens. So when you say "Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures" then yeah, you'll hear about 1 or 2, you certainly won't hear about 100's ...
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Originally Posted by GaryK
Thanks for all the info guys its been a huge help. Just need to find one now but Im being picky because I want an auto and it must be silver, terminator whats yours?
Cheers
Gary
Cheers
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As an ex-Impreza STI owner for 8 years and now owning a 330d manual, perhaps Gary would like to hear my opinion.
Great car overall, but chosen with the head and not the heart. Chipping it may make it go faster but it wont inject the personality that the car is missing. Be wary of claims about fuel economy - the on board computer varies greatly from car to car - my display says 40mpg but tank to tank is 35 mpg. Manuals should be 5mpg better than autos. Cheap insurance too. Worth comparing SE v Sport - the latter won't suit everybody with its choppy ride.
I have no comment to make on blown turbos. However, a design fault with the aircon allows bacteria to build up and emit a musty smell if the aircon hasn't been on permanently since the car was new (many threads on BMWland about this too). Not impressed with the dealer either - sat waiting for an hour thinking my car was being fixed when in fact it needed my authorisation.
Still hankering for an Evo, RS4 or Forester STI ...
Great car overall, but chosen with the head and not the heart. Chipping it may make it go faster but it wont inject the personality that the car is missing. Be wary of claims about fuel economy - the on board computer varies greatly from car to car - my display says 40mpg but tank to tank is 35 mpg. Manuals should be 5mpg better than autos. Cheap insurance too. Worth comparing SE v Sport - the latter won't suit everybody with its choppy ride.
I have no comment to make on blown turbos. However, a design fault with the aircon allows bacteria to build up and emit a musty smell if the aircon hasn't been on permanently since the car was new (many threads on BMWland about this too). Not impressed with the dealer either - sat waiting for an hour thinking my car was being fixed when in fact it needed my authorisation.
Still hankering for an Evo, RS4 or Forester STI ...
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Touched a raw nerve have I? The whole thread talks about probs with 320d's yet the 330d's seem fine. Anyone on BMW Land could post so where's all the "problem" 330d's gone then?
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You're missing the point my friend. I'm saying that it seems to be fairly common on the 320d's, less so (very less so as it rarely happens) on the 330d's. I've not said that it NEVER happens. So when you say "Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures" then yeah, you'll hear about 1 or 2, you certainly won't hear about 100's ...
TX.
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You're missing the point my friend. I'm saying that it seems to be fairly common on the 320d's, less so (very less so as it rarely happens) on the 330d's. I've not said that it NEVER happens. So when you say "Talk to BMW dealers and you'll hear about 330D turbo failures" then yeah, you'll hear about 1 or 2, you certainly won't hear about 100's ...
Turbo failure is the main issue with the 3.0 D engine in either E46 or E39.
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Dave,
Your opinion and others here is much valued to me so I thank you for that. It does seem you can never quite capture the fun of a suby in another car, in fact the guy I bought my WR1 sold it to buy an E46 M3 and regretted it but thats the thing I am shopping with head not heart as I need something reasonably fuel efficient thats a good cruiser, hence why I want an auto thats very comfortable.
Gary
Your opinion and others here is much valued to me so I thank you for that. It does seem you can never quite capture the fun of a suby in another car, in fact the guy I bought my WR1 sold it to buy an E46 M3 and regretted it but thats the thing I am shopping with head not heart as I need something reasonably fuel efficient thats a good cruiser, hence why I want an auto thats very comfortable.
Gary
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Originally Posted by GaryK
Dave,
Your opinion and others here is much valued to me so I thank you for that. It does seem you can never quite capture the fun of a suby in another car, in fact the guy I bought my WR1 sold it to buy an E46 M3 and regretted it but thats the thing I am shopping with head not heart as I need something reasonably fuel efficient thats a good cruiser, hence why I want an auto thats very comfortable.
Gary
Your opinion and others here is much valued to me so I thank you for that. It does seem you can never quite capture the fun of a suby in another car, in fact the guy I bought my WR1 sold it to buy an E46 M3 and regretted it but thats the thing I am shopping with head not heart as I need something reasonably fuel efficient thats a good cruiser, hence why I want an auto thats very comfortable.
Gary
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Originally Posted by Sub97
If comfort is a main requirement, would the 5 series not be a better bet though mate?
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Originally Posted by Vapid
You are taking a single thread on a site as evidence. Just go and do a search on there like I have and then come back and admit you are wrong.
Turbo failure is the main issue with the 3.0 D engine in either E46 or E39.
Turbo failure is the main issue with the 3.0 D engine in either E46 or E39.
I can't be 4rsed fella ... I've found evidence of 320d's with blown turbo's & ditto re 330d's without blown turbo's. Why don't you find the blown ones & let us know?
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Yes guys 5 series is a *possible* but a 530d has still got 3.0d lump as in the 3 series and its bigger and heavier, and therefore slower, no?
Still at least Ive got some food for thought guys and thanks, I posted a similar thread over on wr1oc and just got the reply 'Why?' hmmm wr1 owners and anally retentive spring to mind, yes they are fantastic cars but they are not the *only* cars on the road!
Gary
Still at least Ive got some food for thought guys and thanks, I posted a similar thread over on wr1oc and just got the reply 'Why?' hmmm wr1 owners and anally retentive spring to mind, yes they are fantastic cars but they are not the *only* cars on the road!
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Blah, blah, blah ...
I can't be 4rsed fella ... I've found evidence of 320d's with blown turbo's & ditto re 330d's without blown turbo's. Why don't you find the blown ones & let us know?
TX.
I can't be 4rsed fella ... I've found evidence of 320d's with blown turbo's & ditto re 330d's without blown turbo's. Why don't you find the blown ones & let us know?
TX.
5 would be slower but not really noticeable, it's a much better car though.
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