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02 September 2006, 04:36 PM
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i had a 6 speed box in my old classic and that still used the origianl 5 speed flywheel and clutch , but IMHO the 6 speed is a step back. if i had to do it again i would pay the extra few pennies out for an uprated gearset and retain your 5 speed 
02 September 2006, 04:55 PM
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If I hillclimb with 1/4 tank I am doomed. Tad below 1/2 is ok for sure.
A swirl pot would be the best solution, but i race on just about under the 1/2.
The Spec C has a factory baffle around the tank pump iirc and is sold by MRT as a solution.
Using a 5 speed with a 6 speeder works, and you get to keep the 5 speeder startermotor.
You should remember that the 6 speeder clutch is bigger in outside diameter, so the increase in friction material area is a huge 31% EXTRA.
Fitting a 6 speeder and a 6 speed flywheel with an AP organic clutch is a huge upgrade and all OEM quality, but would cost £2K in the end DIY install.
Graham.
If I hillclimb with 1/4 tank I am doomed. Tad below 1/2 is ok for sure.
A swirl pot would be the best solution, but i race on just about under the 1/2.
The Spec C has a factory baffle around the tank pump iirc and is sold by MRT as a solution.
Using a 5 speed with a 6 speeder works, and you get to keep the 5 speeder startermotor.
You should remember that the 6 speeder clutch is bigger in outside diameter, so the increase in friction material area is a huge 31% EXTRA.
Fitting a 6 speeder and a 6 speed flywheel with an AP organic clutch is a huge upgrade and all OEM quality, but would cost £2K in the end DIY install.
Graham.
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02 September 2006, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 911
Fueling:
If I hillclimb with 1/4 tank I am doomed. Tad below 1/2 is ok for sure.
A swirl pot would be the best solution, but i race on just about under the 1/2.
The Spec C has a factory baffle around the tank pump iirc and is sold by MRT as a solution.
Using a 5 speed with a 6 speeder works, and you get to keep the 5 speeder startermotor.
You should remember that the 6 speeder clutch is bigger in outside diameter, so the increase in friction material area is a huge 31% EXTRA.
Fitting a 6 speeder and a 6 speed flywheel with an AP organic clutch is a huge upgrade and all OEM quality, but would cost £2K in the end DIY install.
Graham.
If I hillclimb with 1/4 tank I am doomed. Tad below 1/2 is ok for sure.
A swirl pot would be the best solution, but i race on just about under the 1/2.
The Spec C has a factory baffle around the tank pump iirc and is sold by MRT as a solution.
Using a 5 speed with a 6 speeder works, and you get to keep the 5 speeder startermotor.
You should remember that the 6 speeder clutch is bigger in outside diameter, so the increase in friction material area is a huge 31% EXTRA.
Fitting a 6 speeder and a 6 speed flywheel with an AP organic clutch is a huge upgrade and all OEM quality, but would cost £2K in the end DIY install.
Graham.
Do you know how much MRT charge? Would be interested at sensible money.
How does a swirl pot work?
£2k would assume he needs a new clutch, which he most likely wont. I think a 6 speed can be done for £1500 DIY.
I dont understand paying £1700 for a weaker box than the 6 speed.
I'd consider the STi5 speed as an option if it was £500-£750
07 September 2006, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by webmaster
Never had any fuel surge problem on the Spec C under track conditions, even with less than a 1/4 of a tank left.
Doesnt the spec C have the anti surge pickup in there anyway?
07 September 2006, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
I would have thought so......
...but still.....
...but still.....
I have however been lucky enough to be offered some P1 internals that i believe will slot straight in without messing with the diff...I'm waiting for david to come back and confirm they will fit and the cost of havinh the work done
fingers crossed
07 September 2006, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by trails
£1450 +VAT buying some piece of mind by having it done by API as they have such a good reputation...
We sell rebuilt STi boxes exchange but Ian has no exchange, so there is a small extra charge there. Then there is fitting, then Gordons slice [ VAT ]
6 speed doesn't always suit all circumstances and is not necessarily a cheaper option or the right one sometimes.
For what Ian needs, that by discussion, came up as the best solution. However if the P1 internals he is offered will do, then we can work around that. It just depends what we get to work with and what condition it is in. If it's the remains after a PPG or similar has been fitted then it may well not be enough.
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08 September 2006, 10:32 AM
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It just depends what we get to work with and what condition it is in.
08 September 2006, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by vulnax999
I'd go with 911, ask Paul at Zen.
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08 September 2006, 11:24 AM
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https://www.scoobynet.com/gearbox-op...d-t439647.html
As you can see, ratios were quite important to me. Had they not have been a 6 speed was a no-brainer. A STi box/diff was a cheaper option at half the price of the 6 speed although the strength was in question.
As you can see, ratios were quite important to me. Had they not have been a 6 speed was a no-brainer. A STi box/diff was a cheaper option at half the price of the 6 speed although the strength was in question.
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
https://www.scoobynet.com/gearbox-op...d-t439647.html
As you can see, ratios were quite important to me. Had they not have been a 6 speed was a no-brainer. A STi box/diff was a cheaper option at half the price of the 6 speed although the strength was in question.
As you can see, ratios were quite important to me. Had they not have been a 6 speed was a no-brainer. A STi box/diff was a cheaper option at half the price of the 6 speed although the strength was in question.
the thread reassures me that I'm making the right decision as far as the P1 internals and UK diff goes...I'll try and be as sympathetic as possible with it but ultimately if it does break again at least I now know quite a bit about PPG gear sets! cheers for the advice\info
08 September 2006, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
i know a couple of people who have bought parts in good faithe find out there not what the were told. personaly i think if your having a custom gearbox built its worth spending a little bit extra and have new stuff put in to keep the warrenty issue out of it but also know that the box will be in top condition and not fail on you.
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Originally Posted by trails
£1450 +VAT buying some piece of mind by having it done by API as they have such a good reputation...
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Originally Posted by vulnax999
Want to elaborate Strongman ... and stop shouting! <Caps lock>
THE SECOND TIME I WAS ADVISED TO UPRATE THE PISTONS AND CON RODS SO I COULD RUN AT MORE BOOST, ONLY TO FIND OUT THEY DID NOT REMEASURE THE GAP FROM THE BORE TO THE PISTON RINGS, WHICH RESULTED IN MY CAR USING ONE AND A HALF LITRES OF OIL EVERY 100 MILES. THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS I TOOK THE CAR TO BOBS TO MAP AND HE SAID IT CANT BE ANY OTHER REASON BUT THIS AND ALSO I HAD AN INDEPENDANT ENGINEER DO A LEAK TEST TO VERIFY THE CAUSE. I SPOKE TO GARAGE IN QUESTION AND WHAT A SUPRISE THEY HAVE STUCK THERE HEAD IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!!
SO IF IT APPEARS THAT I AM SHOUTING ITS BECAUSE IVE GOT REASON TO. PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES AND IM SURE YOU WOULD BE A LITTLE UPSET TOO. I THINK I AM JUSTIFIED, DONT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by strongman
SHOUTING BECAUSE I AM PISSED OFF!!!!!!!,1st TIME,I WENT FOR A 2.5 UPGRADE,ENGINE WENT AFTER 600 MILES.FOUND OUT THE DICK HEAD HAD PUT 2 LITRE HEAD GASKETS AND THE PISTON HIT THE GASKET AND MELTED 2 PISTONS.
THE SECOND TIME I WAS ADVISED TO UPRATE THE PISTONS AND CON RODS SO I COULD RUN AT MORE BOOST, ONLY TO FIND OUT THEY DID NOT REMEASURE THE GAP FROM THE BORE TO THE PISTON RINGS, WHICH RESULTED IN MY CAR USING ONE AND A HALF LITRES OF OIL EVERY 100 MILES. THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS I TOOK THE CAR TO BOBS TO MAP AND HE SAID IT CANT BE ANY OTHER REASON BUT THIS AND ALSO I HAD AN INDEPENDANT ENGINEER DO A LEAK TEST TO VERIFY THE CAUSE. I SPOKE TO GARAGE IN QUESTION AND WHAT A SUPRISE THEY HAVE STUCK THERE HEAD IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!!
SO IF IT APPEARS THAT I AM SHOUTING ITS BECAUSE IVE GOT REASON TO. PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES AND IM SURE YOU WOULD BE A LITTLE UPSET TOO. I THINK I AM JUSTIFIED, DONT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE SECOND TIME I WAS ADVISED TO UPRATE THE PISTONS AND CON RODS SO I COULD RUN AT MORE BOOST, ONLY TO FIND OUT THEY DID NOT REMEASURE THE GAP FROM THE BORE TO THE PISTON RINGS, WHICH RESULTED IN MY CAR USING ONE AND A HALF LITRES OF OIL EVERY 100 MILES. THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS I TOOK THE CAR TO BOBS TO MAP AND HE SAID IT CANT BE ANY OTHER REASON BUT THIS AND ALSO I HAD AN INDEPENDANT ENGINEER DO A LEAK TEST TO VERIFY THE CAUSE. I SPOKE TO GARAGE IN QUESTION AND WHAT A SUPRISE THEY HAVE STUCK THERE HEAD IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!!
SO IF IT APPEARS THAT I AM SHOUTING ITS BECAUSE IVE GOT REASON TO. PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES AND IM SURE YOU WOULD BE A LITTLE UPSET TOO. I THINK I AM JUSTIFIED, DONT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strongman, it is extremly frustrating when things like this happen, but i think you need to clarify on this thread, are you saying that API did your builds, or someone else?
I cant imagine that David would "Stick his head in the sand" over something like that.
You need to clarify the above, as your post contradicts the general direction of the thread.
It's also worth noting, that NOTHING is 100% piece of mind.
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Originally Posted by strongman
HAD AN ENGINE BUILD LESS THAN A YEAR AGO AND BLOWN UP,
PS 2ND BUILD IN A YEAR
PS 2ND BUILD IN A YEAR
good luck.
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12 September 2006, 10:08 AM
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This is complicated - Here goes:
Strongman had a 2.5 engine built, that he supplied most of the pieces for, by a small business in Cornwall that had no experience in Subaru. He went there ' cos the guy was cheapest ' The poor soul in Cornwall ordered a gasket set from the local dealer using the cars chassis number. He got a 2.0 set and fitted the 2.0 head gaskets on the 2.5 standard short motor.
The engine blew up, not entirely the fault of the head gaskets in my opinion. from what we saw when the debris arrived here.
The garage in Cornwall put it through their insurance and they eventually paid out for us to built the engine correctly and ' strongman ' paid extra to have forged pistons and steel rods fitted. Which we did.
The job came to us through AP Motors in Plymouth who have no connection to API despite the confusing similarity in the names. They had the car and did all the fitting work plus several extra jobs on the car at the request of 'strongman'.
We worked as a contractor to AP Motors. Thus any sale contract is between
APi Impreza and A P motors.
We were told of alleged excessive oil consumption by AP sometime earlier this year and in fact 'strongman' pm'd me to that effect - which I still have my reply ] I told him that his contract of sale is with AP in Plymouth and any work or questions should be addressed through them.
Now here's the problem; There is an outstanding account at AP motors for some several thousand pounds that ' strongman' and his insurance company have failed to pay.
Thus AP in Plymouth are less than happy to do anything with the car until their account is paid in full.
This is not ' burying their head in the sand ' it is cold hard commercial sense.
'Bob' that ' strongman ' refers to is Bob Rawle who would only - I am certain, have ventured an opinion as to why the engine may not perform, but he cannot say an unequivocal reason what is wrong, no-one is capable of doing that until the engine is in bits.
Piston ring gaps is not what is wrong almost certainly, as we will have built the engine to correct tolerances and always do a dummy build before we do a final build to check all clearances.
My comments to strongman were - cure your account problems with AP and we and they will look at the engine and determine what if anything is wrong.
Until the bill at AP Motors is paid there will be a hold up.
David APi
Apologies for the hijack of the thread, but I needed to reply as you can now see.
Strongman had a 2.5 engine built, that he supplied most of the pieces for, by a small business in Cornwall that had no experience in Subaru. He went there ' cos the guy was cheapest ' The poor soul in Cornwall ordered a gasket set from the local dealer using the cars chassis number. He got a 2.0 set and fitted the 2.0 head gaskets on the 2.5 standard short motor.
The engine blew up, not entirely the fault of the head gaskets in my opinion. from what we saw when the debris arrived here.
The garage in Cornwall put it through their insurance and they eventually paid out for us to built the engine correctly and ' strongman ' paid extra to have forged pistons and steel rods fitted. Which we did.
The job came to us through AP Motors in Plymouth who have no connection to API despite the confusing similarity in the names. They had the car and did all the fitting work plus several extra jobs on the car at the request of 'strongman'.
We worked as a contractor to AP Motors. Thus any sale contract is between
APi Impreza and A P motors.
We were told of alleged excessive oil consumption by AP sometime earlier this year and in fact 'strongman' pm'd me to that effect - which I still have my reply ] I told him that his contract of sale is with AP in Plymouth and any work or questions should be addressed through them.
Now here's the problem; There is an outstanding account at AP motors for some several thousand pounds that ' strongman' and his insurance company have failed to pay.
Thus AP in Plymouth are less than happy to do anything with the car until their account is paid in full.
This is not ' burying their head in the sand ' it is cold hard commercial sense.
'Bob' that ' strongman ' refers to is Bob Rawle who would only - I am certain, have ventured an opinion as to why the engine may not perform, but he cannot say an unequivocal reason what is wrong, no-one is capable of doing that until the engine is in bits.
Piston ring gaps is not what is wrong almost certainly, as we will have built the engine to correct tolerances and always do a dummy build before we do a final build to check all clearances.
My comments to strongman were - cure your account problems with AP and we and they will look at the engine and determine what if anything is wrong.
Until the bill at AP Motors is paid there will be a hold up.
David APi
Apologies for the hijack of the thread, but I needed to reply as you can now see.
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Thankyou for your prompt response David API.
I did not take the car to Richard because he was the cheapest!! He told me he was a mechanic for a rally team and seemed very genuine, you see, you have to trust what appears to be the professonals in this situation and this is my only fault trusting other people!!!!!!
As for the outstanding bill as you "publicly announced" every body involved in this rebuild was fully aware it was an insurance job as i had previously paid Richard in FULL in goodwill.
I am not happy that the insurers have not paid API bill in the slightest, but as you can apprechiate the job has not been done correctly, as the car has been sat outside the house with an engine fault.
I have had an engineer do a leek test to clarify what has been said.
So i do not believe this is down to an unpaid bill as you stated, it is down to a job where the obligations has not been fulfilled by again the professionals which i trusted.
Richard is certainly not a poor soul in Cornwall as this has had no effect on him what so ever, he was indeed paid in FULL in good faith by me. So the only poor soul is ME.
I did not take the car to Richard because he was the cheapest!! He told me he was a mechanic for a rally team and seemed very genuine, you see, you have to trust what appears to be the professonals in this situation and this is my only fault trusting other people!!!!!!
As for the outstanding bill as you "publicly announced" every body involved in this rebuild was fully aware it was an insurance job as i had previously paid Richard in FULL in goodwill.
I am not happy that the insurers have not paid API bill in the slightest, but as you can apprechiate the job has not been done correctly, as the car has been sat outside the house with an engine fault.
I have had an engineer do a leek test to clarify what has been said.
So i do not believe this is down to an unpaid bill as you stated, it is down to a job where the obligations has not been fulfilled by again the professionals which i trusted.
Richard is certainly not a poor soul in Cornwall as this has had no effect on him what so ever, he was indeed paid in FULL in good faith by me. So the only poor soul is ME.
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Originally Posted by strongman
Thankyou for your prompt response David API.
I did not take the car to Richard because he was the cheapest!! He told me he was a mechanic for a rally team and seemed very genuine, .
I did not take the car to Richard because he was the cheapest!! He told me he was a mechanic for a rally team and seemed very genuine, .
I don't know about one half of the equation in your engine building process, but I do know you CAN trust David at Api and that you ARE dealing with experts with them. Easy to be wise in retrospect, but in future I'd get the rebuild done as a one stop job; less scope for problems between companies to develop then.
I hope this gets sorted out quickly and to your satisfaction.