I'm looking at Golf 150PD TDI's for the girlfriend as our 2nd car so the S2000 will probably remain as is for a while. After that gears would be a big consideration

 

edit, sorry just seen all the answers to my questions!

TT is totally gay, but I believe point to point a chipped TT will destroy an S2000 and a mere **** driver like myself can get more out of it.

driving my sister's TT I find thr car very nervous (03 so has the new back end). I am not confident in the S02 non pole positions and think goodyear F1s should be the way forward.

Using 6k plus sounds nice, but makes for a slower car point to point unless you never encounter traffic lights or slow corners.

The TT though admittedly inherently gay, gives a lot more car for my money, more features, and serious turbo punch out of bends. £200 chip releases 280lbft and 270 bhp, from a turbo that spools at around 2k. It does run out of puff at 6.5, but a 4k power band and torque on tap makes it devastating at covering roads.

If I need a drivers car, then I use the 6, 300 of each in that feels far more satisfying!

 

Whats the power at the wheels thou Adam?? I dont know what the loss is on the TT but imagine its a good 60 bhp.

My peak WHP is 208 now, and if I do go back S/C it will be about 260-270 ish Admittedly a lot more pricey to tune but I can pop the lid down and listen to Scissor Sisters and not feel as Gay

MB

 

I've owned two TTs, a coupe and a roadster, so been there, done that. Still active on the TT forum.

TT has virtually ZERO driver involvement. Lovely interior, great looking, a quality item, but not a driver's car.

S2000 really floats my boat. I will own one of these cars, possibly next after the scoob.

 

BTW - how much is a supercharger for one of these and how does it affect the characteristics of the car?

 

I think a supercharger would be a crime on that engine.

TT defo lacks driver involvement.

what makes it worse is that it is actually FWD all the time, until the fronts loses traction at which point it diverts drive to the back, it doesn't actually have a centre diff, only a clutch which selectively allows the rear wheels to be powered.

This gives it the dynamics of a FWD, which is great for making fast progress with no skill. I do stress that it isnt a drivers car.

 

Agree with your comments here Adam, pretty much how I see the TT . I'd happily borrow it if the GF had one.

 

How is SC a crime? It runs linear with power as the engine was intended. Think of it just shifting the curve up!

I fitted mine and took it off. 350 bhp would have been nice Costs? New youar elooking at about $4000-$5500 depending on Comptech or Vortech and then a management system plus mapping,so about £1500. Then you need someone to fit it if you aren't DIY inclined. Injecotrs are worth a shout. Insurance too. Its not cheap.

Hundreds of S/C cars in the states

MB

 

Yeah a supercharger is quite in keeping with the S2000s existing engine character it just raises the game. A turbo would be a crime IMHO.

I'd fancy a pop at a 270bhp Audi TT to be honest. Even if I did lose out I doubt the word destroy would feature

 

I think a SC'd, geared, S2000 would pretty much make the perfect car for my budget and requirements; but I think I might struggle to find one, particularly for £15k.

 

I had a battle with one of those new Golf turbo things today. Nowt in it, clung to bumber, but I feel he was backing off at *ahem you know what type of speed* Its instances like that where I convince myself that forced induction is needed. Ok there is always something quicker but I like to be able to really punish things

MB

 

If you have a supercharged s2000 you don't need to change the final drive at all!! If you did you'd spend all your time changing gear and trying to avoid the limiter!

What golf turbo thingy mark? The new GTI? If you couldn't pull on one of those I'd suggest its been modified expecially given that your car isn't stock. Here are some letstorquebhp stats:

Volkswagen Golf Gti 2.0 (mk5)

197bhp
1328kg
7.12s to 60mph
18.64s to 100mph
11.52s 60-100mph

Volkswagen Golf Gti (mk5 Morego 250 tuned)

250bhp
1328kg
5.84s 0-60mph
14.04s 0-100mph
8.21s 60-100mph

You can see that even the 250bhp version can only just match a standard s2000 although it would probably start to push you along slightly above 130-140mph. The standard golf GTI wouldn't see off a CTR in a straight line.

 

Yep from the clips ive seen you struggle to change gear very quickly and need ninja reflexs not to hit the redline So final drive mods may not be best.

It was an odd race Kenny. I was doing 70 and saw him looming so I backed off and let him past, then booted it. Caught him up, then caught in traffic, then both booted it from 60. I think I could have crawled past. I can really feel the mods working on nice cool nights like this, car is awesome. It really does need suspension mods next though, to give it totally confident handling. Its rock hard but rolls ever so slightly. How do you find it? I think its more a centre of gravity thing as it feels a little jacked up.

MB

 

To be honest making assessment on handling is my weakness - I just don't have sufficient knowledge. I also don't have sufficient grip at the moment as I require 4 new tyres. I feel the S2000 has excellent handling and turns in particularly well. It's biggest weakness seems to be 'skipping' on high speed bumpy bends. This skipping can probably be driven through but its a confidence breaker. Solid state handling on smooth surfaces is exceptional though which is why the s2000 fairs well on smooth flowing tracks and not so well on broken and bumpy b-roads.

You should get your car 1/4er miled mark - 13.75 to beat

 

Im not too into the drag stuff, a bit of a trek for me to get somewhere. Id like to do some short handling course stuff though.

I agree on the turn in, id just ike it to stay totally flat and a bit lower. Maybe just where my STi didnt budge a bit (Type R suspension) I also find that when you hit a crest / peak it gets quite floaty, and also at high speeds you lose a lot of feeling. Doesnt jump like the scoob either

MB

 

I take it final drive and a SC are a bit much then . Either of you seen a SC'd car for sale over here?

 

Mark, get your hard topped lame *** round here so I can have a go!

 

Its off now Rich. Will do though.

JT, ive only seen 1 for sale, and one turbo. If I S/C mine again, I would be selling it with it on. Would not be cheap by any means though!

MB

 

Getting mine s/c'd next year yayyyyyyyyyy

 

Tell me more

MB

 

Yes I too would like to hear more.

I love the idea of the S2000 but anything less than 300bhp is not going to cut it after the scoob, particularly on track where I need to be able to keep up with my mates (VXR 220, S2 Exige etc).

 

How do you know 300bhp wont cut it, have you owned one??

UK / WRX scoobs are no problem for the S, and on a track its even better!

Even with loads of power it wont stick with an Exige You need better handling mods and skill for that.

MB

 

I believe CPL will supply and fit a s'charger for about 5k. If you import an S2000 from Japan for about 10, you would be in your ball-park!

 

Forgot to say I've gone from an Sti RA to S2000 (as daily driver) I do miss the instant power but they are very different cars and the S is probably more fun and involving to drive and at more sensible speeds too!
Should maybe add I did import an STi RA II for track/hillclimb etc. I know that's probably a bit greedy but I found I couldn't really 'use' the scoob on the road.

 

I wasn't joking when i said destroy.

In a straight line giving the 3k rev range difference, it would be a different story, but I did say throw in slow bends and corners and destroy was noe exaggeration.

i think it would probably do something similar to my evo 6 too, and that is after I fit my 500bhp worth of stroker to it.

The fact is 90% of its torque is available at 2200 rpm.

How often are you at 2200? all the time is the answer. The car pulls like a train at town speeds. If you can do it safely, it is a devastating weapon. It doesn't suffer from fwd wheelslip, yet it can be hussled along as fast as any fwd by just about anyone.

Put it all together and you have about the fastest towncar you can buy.

I must stress that you have to be sensible doing this kind of driving, as I would guess you are more likely to kill someone extolling these virtue than you are driving an S2000 above 7k rpm.

But think back to driving your S2k, and imagine it at 2k rpm, then think how much work you have to do at town speeds to get it to feel faster than a 1.4 clio!

On another note, if you think that a supercharger retains purity then you are wrong. Superchargers maywell be linear, but they are a band aid for engines that don't make enough power. Forced induction is ultimately impure. it requires intercooling which decreases throttle response.

The main crime is also that it brings in a shocking whining noise that sounds like a coach.

I consider it a crime that honda have spent years developing an NI engine that makes 120bhp per litre reliably. The key achievent is that it has the highest specific power output for any road going engine and it is reliable.

You go and take an achievement like that and stick a super charger on it!

Its a crime. Its like sticking a supercharger on a 355. It might be gutless before you do it, but you are taking away from the incredible achievement of the design and the glorious sound of both those engines.

 

I found the TT to be very dull and it felt gutless.

S2000 turns and feels better than the scoob through the wheel. My impreza is faster in every department than the S2000 but the S2000 is so much fun and is so well made. The impreza is an absolute hooligan of a car which hasn't had anything come close to it on the road.......the S2000 feels 'special' and like a true sports car with the high revving engine, handling etc.

If I had to get rid of one or the other it would be the scoob that would go.

Ask me in the middle of winter and it may be a different answer. Best thing is to keep hold of 'em both

 

I think we will have to disagree Adam

They arent "too" noisy at idle and dont suffer lag. Aftercooling is NOT a must by any means either. The temp rise from ambient to 5 psi is not that much.

You can get 300bhp from these engines and stay N/A but the cost is massive. At the end of the day, you are just adding more air, thats all, which allows more fuel etc etc.

I have little time for yanks, but hundreds of them run S/C or Turbo'd S2000's and have no issues. How different is it from doubling the power of a 22b by strapping on bigger blowers etc? Ok it was designed to be turbocharged but not to that degree.

The F20C engine is extremely strong and I know of at least 5 people that have clocked up 40k miles plus while having a 350bhp blower strapped to it. Turbo's on the S2000 I am not a fan of, that is a complex mod and reliability is an issue, but driving a fan off the crank pulley is childs play!

MB

 

PS I like these pics - here was my S/C - now removed.




MB

 

I made that statement because once on the move, ie a track situation, not dragstrip, the power/weight is going to have a big say in the acceleration. My scoob is currently 320/300 and is faster than a S2 exige in a straight line, and keeps up in the bends. That would also be the target for an S2k if I bought one.

I wouldn't consider just modding the engine, there'd need to be handling and brakes to match. If I thought it'd be possible to take a donor car fairly cheaply and mod it as I go to something in excess of 300bhp, it'd be worth considering.

 

There's an awesome track car on Ebay at the moment.

S2000 is possibly the wrong choice if you want to compete with an Exige though. Unless you pass it while its broken down

Suspension on the S is around £1500 for a good setup, £1800+ for race stuff. brakes are very good with uprated discs and pads, but AP's and Brembos are well over a grand. A lot an be done with weigh saving but it all depends on whether you want to drive it on the road or not. I think it would e cheaper to buy an S1 exige and have a better track car out the box?

MB