Scooby to S2000 anyone done this?
03 May 2006, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobygav555
hmmmmm no golf club going in there then
03 May 2006, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve777
Anyway I enjoyed driving both cars.
Lovely day today with the roof down as well for an added bonus
Lovely day today with the roof down as well for an added bonus
03 May 2006, 06:54 PM
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Not a big one for plates and I'll pre-empt the "worth more then the car" comments but.....
type in S2000
http://www.nationalnumbers.co.uk/index.php
type in S2000
http://www.nationalnumbers.co.uk/index.php
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03 May 2006, 07:58 PM
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Sorry for a ghey question, but what's the fuel economy like? Also cruising (Cardiff to London). This is part of the reason I'm selling the RA. It won't be mega miles all the time, but my new job may involve the odd blat to the smoke.
03 May 2006, 09:06 PM
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If you can stay off vtec I´d expect you can get 30mpg plus but that IMHO is a big ´if´ as the car begs to be driven hard! I probably get about 27 but I really do hammer the sh·t out of it!
Adam, if you search for S2000 vs P1 you´ll find an old thread I started posing that very question in theory. Its pages long and I suspect you maybe contributed. Since then I have raced (mostly at crail so they were trying) a classic MY00 with full decat, a modified buyeye, two EV0 6s, a bugeye sti uk with backbox (perhaps more) and finally, and crucially, an STI 5 with a full decat. A decat STI 5 on booster is as fast or faster than a P1 and the two evos are the same. I stayed with them all and actually trapped a little faster than the STI at crail. I asked the question months ago and have answered it for myself.
In fairness though a 100% standard s2000 vs a 100% standard P1 both running optimax on a flat road from 40mph (each in 2nd) to 120mph would see the P1 victorious but by a small margin.
Neil (the guy with the clio cup) will no doubt pass this thread soon enough. He was the one arguing with me in the previous thread stating that the P1 would pull bus lengths on the S2000. He has since bought an 06 S2000 and his brother shifted the P1 for an S2000. I know from our MSN conversations that Neil has been very impressed with the 3rd and 4th gear performance of the honda. I suspect he might be willing to confirm that a nicely run in S2000 would not be more than a few feet behind as opposed to the epic distances he talked of before.
The performance in the S2000 is ´nicely adequate´ IMHO. I´ve had mines for a year now and haven´t had my *** handed to me yet and seldom find myself bored on the straights. However for the money you pay you can get much greater straightline stuff if that is high on your check list. For example you can pick up TVR tamora´s and t350s for low 20k and the vx220 turbo is always a good consideration for that money as for 20k you´d get a minter and have money to stage 2 it giving 0 to 100mph in about 11s. 20k is also e39 M5 territory and elise 111R ville. In short, if you are spending that kind of money you have considerable choice and need to be clear in you mind what you want. For me I wanted something that felt special, something reliable, something roofless, something that was cheaper than a scooby to run and something rwd. It also had to be good for 25k miles a year and as my only source of transport. The honda fits the bill perfectly in that regard and I´m happy. Cars are all compromise, you can research what you want really carefully or just go through lots of cars in a short period of time like DB Mark. That said, IMHO its telling he´s had the honda for a year now which is about 11 months longer than normal
FWIW I know a requirement of my next car will be sub 10s to 100mph which even a supercharged S2000 would struggle to achieve.
Adam, if you search for S2000 vs P1 you´ll find an old thread I started posing that very question in theory. Its pages long and I suspect you maybe contributed. Since then I have raced (mostly at crail so they were trying) a classic MY00 with full decat, a modified buyeye, two EV0 6s, a bugeye sti uk with backbox (perhaps more) and finally, and crucially, an STI 5 with a full decat. A decat STI 5 on booster is as fast or faster than a P1 and the two evos are the same. I stayed with them all and actually trapped a little faster than the STI at crail. I asked the question months ago and have answered it for myself.
In fairness though a 100% standard s2000 vs a 100% standard P1 both running optimax on a flat road from 40mph (each in 2nd) to 120mph would see the P1 victorious but by a small margin.
Neil (the guy with the clio cup) will no doubt pass this thread soon enough. He was the one arguing with me in the previous thread stating that the P1 would pull bus lengths on the S2000. He has since bought an 06 S2000 and his brother shifted the P1 for an S2000. I know from our MSN conversations that Neil has been very impressed with the 3rd and 4th gear performance of the honda. I suspect he might be willing to confirm that a nicely run in S2000 would not be more than a few feet behind as opposed to the epic distances he talked of before.
The performance in the S2000 is ´nicely adequate´ IMHO. I´ve had mines for a year now and haven´t had my *** handed to me yet and seldom find myself bored on the straights. However for the money you pay you can get much greater straightline stuff if that is high on your check list. For example you can pick up TVR tamora´s and t350s for low 20k and the vx220 turbo is always a good consideration for that money as for 20k you´d get a minter and have money to stage 2 it giving 0 to 100mph in about 11s. 20k is also e39 M5 territory and elise 111R ville. In short, if you are spending that kind of money you have considerable choice and need to be clear in you mind what you want. For me I wanted something that felt special, something reliable, something roofless, something that was cheaper than a scooby to run and something rwd. It also had to be good for 25k miles a year and as my only source of transport. The honda fits the bill perfectly in that regard and I´m happy. Cars are all compromise, you can research what you want really carefully or just go through lots of cars in a short period of time like DB Mark. That said, IMHO its telling he´s had the honda for a year now which is about 11 months longer than normal
FWIW I know a requirement of my next car will be sub 10s to 100mph which even a supercharged S2000 would struggle to achieve.
03 May 2006, 09:26 PM
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JT - £40 of Optimax will get you between 220 and 260 miles.
Kenny's point on me owning it for a year is a valid one. I dont want to sell it which is odd for me
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Kenny's point on me owning it for a year is a valid one. I dont want to sell it which is odd for me
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03 May 2006, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
JT - £40 of Optimax will get you between 220 and 260 miles.
Kenny's point on me owning it for a year is a valid one. I dont want to sell it which is odd for me
MB
Kenny's point on me owning it for a year is a valid one. I dont want to sell it which is odd for me
MB
03 May 2006, 10:54 PM
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Interesting thread this. I've had my MY00 Classic Scoob for 3 years in June and this was always going to be the year I looked to change it. What I really wanted was a convertible that was still an enjoyable drive and retained at least some of the practicality of the Scoob. Lower running costs and a bit more luxury/comfort would be appreciated too!
So I looked at the 4 seater convertible options. Drove a CLK320 conv, found it a good cruiser but new I'd get bored with it and fast. Then drove a BMW 330 Sport conv. Found it a better drive than the Merc but was disappointed at the few squeaks and rattles it had in the cabin plus it was all a little dull coming from the Scoob. Not really keen on the Saabs so not many options left.
Always liked Honda's and always liked the look of the S2000 since it came out. Before the Scoob I ran a '91 CRX VTEC for 7 years and loved it to bits! What an engine! You could chuck it around however you liked as well, great car. Two of my friends are mechanics at my local Honda dealer too which helps if I owned one! The fact it's only a 2 seater always put me off though.
That said I'm seeing my mate at the garage tomorrow and he's got one there he said I can take out for a spin so will be giving one a test drive tomorrow morning. Looking forward to it!
Perhaps some of you S2K owners here could answer these questions though.
I've always read that they can be a bit of a handful handling wise, particularly in the wet. After having driven the fwd CRX for 7 years and now the awd of the Scoob for 3 I'm worried it would be a bit of a shock to the system! I'm no Stig and do enjoy driving a car I can trust to keep me out of trouble!! Are they really as twitchy as some say or do you have to be doing silly speeds to get in trouble?
Another concern is after being used to and thoroughly enjoying the pull and torque of the Scoob going into another VTEC engine where it's all about BHP and high revs could make for a more stressful drive a lot of the time. How much pull do they have from low revs or in high gears at low speeds?
Ride comfort and refinement. How's the ride compared to say a classic Scoob? And also noise levels etc. And if on a long motorway run at say between 80-100 how noisy/wearing is it?
They're the main things I can think of for now! Sorry for the long post! Oh and another problem would be is that I think the 04 facelift makes the car look so much better than the previous years! But they also cost a lot more money!!!
So I looked at the 4 seater convertible options. Drove a CLK320 conv, found it a good cruiser but new I'd get bored with it and fast. Then drove a BMW 330 Sport conv. Found it a better drive than the Merc but was disappointed at the few squeaks and rattles it had in the cabin plus it was all a little dull coming from the Scoob. Not really keen on the Saabs so not many options left.
Always liked Honda's and always liked the look of the S2000 since it came out. Before the Scoob I ran a '91 CRX VTEC for 7 years and loved it to bits! What an engine! You could chuck it around however you liked as well, great car. Two of my friends are mechanics at my local Honda dealer too which helps if I owned one! The fact it's only a 2 seater always put me off though.
That said I'm seeing my mate at the garage tomorrow and he's got one there he said I can take out for a spin so will be giving one a test drive tomorrow morning. Looking forward to it!
Perhaps some of you S2K owners here could answer these questions though.
I've always read that they can be a bit of a handful handling wise, particularly in the wet. After having driven the fwd CRX for 7 years and now the awd of the Scoob for 3 I'm worried it would be a bit of a shock to the system! I'm no Stig and do enjoy driving a car I can trust to keep me out of trouble!! Are they really as twitchy as some say or do you have to be doing silly speeds to get in trouble?
Another concern is after being used to and thoroughly enjoying the pull and torque of the Scoob going into another VTEC engine where it's all about BHP and high revs could make for a more stressful drive a lot of the time. How much pull do they have from low revs or in high gears at low speeds?
Ride comfort and refinement. How's the ride compared to say a classic Scoob? And also noise levels etc. And if on a long motorway run at say between 80-100 how noisy/wearing is it?
They're the main things I can think of for now! Sorry for the long post! Oh and another problem would be is that I think the 04 facelift makes the car look so much better than the previous years! But they also cost a lot more money!!!
03 May 2006, 11:08 PM
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Good Qs.
My biggest concern is will I get enough of a buzz from the thing. I'm coming from this http://www.type-ra.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15 and worry that'll I'll miss the outright performance. It was this concern that made me settle on the S2 111R last month but then I was drawn back to the S2k by talk of build quality, refinement and reliabilty
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My biggest concern is will I get enough of a buzz from the thing. I'm coming from this http://www.type-ra.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15 and worry that'll I'll miss the outright performance. It was this concern that made me settle on the S2 111R last month but then I was drawn back to the S2k by talk of build quality, refinement and reliabilty
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03 May 2006, 11:09 PM
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If you bin it in the wet, it will be your fault. In the wrong hands it can be lethal but its not scary by any means, just a case of adjusting. The rear wheel steering (passive not like on some of the Preludes) takes a bit of getting used to.
I came from 4 years of AWD ownership and havent had a problem, and I by no means hang around!
As I said, in the wet in a straight line, VTEC will induce the back one way or another. Tyres need to be good. The SO2's are nasty when they are cold and not great in the wet.
That said, ive learned the car and chuck it around a lot in the wet now, you just have to be really on your toes. When it bites you have little or no warning!
Re the looks, the car changed very little which is good (comapre it to the scoob evolution!), but the later shape bumper and interior is nice.
The lack of torque is no bother for me. Remember, its a 2l 16v at the end of the day, so it does pull well off vtec, just by no means scoob territory. If you want it to move, drop down a few gears I just had mine mapped and pulls much better.
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I came from 4 years of AWD ownership and havent had a problem, and I by no means hang around!
As I said, in the wet in a straight line, VTEC will induce the back one way or another. Tyres need to be good. The SO2's are nasty when they are cold and not great in the wet.
That said, ive learned the car and chuck it around a lot in the wet now, you just have to be really on your toes. When it bites you have little or no warning!
Re the looks, the car changed very little which is good (comapre it to the scoob evolution!), but the later shape bumper and interior is nice.
The lack of torque is no bother for me. Remember, its a 2l 16v at the end of the day, so it does pull well off vtec, just by no means scoob territory. If you want it to move, drop down a few gears
I just had mine mapped and pulls much better.MB
03 May 2006, 11:17 PM
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JT - I came from a 340bhp STi V5.
The worst thing you can do is try it for an hour and think its not that quick. You need to give it time to get used to. The times Kenny quoted aren't fiction! Drive it for what it is and see if you like it. Find some open roads and get it on the move. Stop start isnt its forte.
I had an ITR and didnt like it. Needed another gear, more poke and more comfort. The S has these and keeps me happy.
Remember to thrash it
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The worst thing you can do is try it for an hour and think its not that quick. You need to give it time to get used to. The times Kenny quoted aren't fiction! Drive it for what it is and see if you like it. Find some open roads and get it on the move. Stop start isnt its forte.
I had an ITR and didnt like it. Needed another gear, more poke and more comfort. The S has these and keeps me happy.
Remember to thrash it
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03 May 2006, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
JT - I came from a 340bhp STi V5.
The worst thing you can do is try it for an hour and think its not that quick. You need to give it time to get used to. The times Kenny quoted aren't fiction! Drive it for what it is and see if you like it. Find some open roads and get it on the move. Stop start isnt its forte.
I had an ITR and didnt like it. Needed another gear, more poke and more comfort. The S has these and keeps me happy.
Remember to thrash it
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The worst thing you can do is try it for an hour and think its not that quick. You need to give it time to get used to. The times Kenny quoted aren't fiction! Drive it for what it is and see if you like it. Find some open roads and get it on the move. Stop start isnt its forte.
I had an ITR and didnt like it. Needed another gear, more poke and more comfort. The S has these and keeps me happy.
Remember to thrash it
MB
).Any worries about the earlier model? Does the plastic screen get on your ****? The earlier models seem really quite reasonable - I'm trusting your objectivity here MB
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Cheers for the reply DBM. Based on that though I'm not sure it's going to fit my bill as a replacement for the Scoob though. I get the impression it really needs to be worked hard to get the kind of performance from it that the Scoob gives quite readily. I'm after a more relaxing, comfortable drive now whilst still retaining the involvement and performance and ideally with a roof I can drop when the weather allows! Seems to be a big ask!!
JT I think they tweaked it a bit for the 02 models and sured up the handling a bit at that stage. Was told it's best to go for 02 onwards if possible.
JT I think they tweaked it a bit for the 02 models and sured up the handling a bit at that stage. Was told it's best to go for 02 onwards if possible.
03 May 2006, 11:34 PM
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Mine's a MY00. Plastic rear screen isnt great, but some BMW screen cleaner gets it pretty good. Some have upgraded the window to glass. I have the HT on most of the time which has a solid window - top down thing is ok but I like the lid on
One major thing to check for is condition of the suspension bushes. Its a newish issue that affects all years of car. If they are seized its an MOT failure and costs a fortune to fix, and Honda wont stump up.
If you like mods, they cost a fortune and dont get you far, other than supercharging.
PS - if you test drive on your own, pop the lid and unclip the airbox cover - then VTEC it
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03 May 2006, 11:36 PM
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Ok, but try it rather than go on my word.
The power isnt effortless, but you never tire of thrashing it. The ITR got on my nerves but htis is different.
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The power isnt effortless, but you never tire of thrashing it. The ITR got on my nerves but htis is different.
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Originally Posted by Dan J
Cheers for the reply DBM. Based on that though I'm not sure it's going to fit my bill as a replacement for the Scoob though. I get the impression it really needs to be worked hard to get the kind of performance from it that the Scoob gives quite readily. I'm after a more relaxing, comfortable drive now whilst still retaining the involvement and performance and ideally with a roof I can drop when the weather allows! Seems to be a big ask!!
JT I think they tweaked it a bit for the 02 models and sured up the handling a bit at that stage. Was told it's best to go for 02 onwards if possible.
JT I think they tweaked it a bit for the 02 models and sured up the handling a bit at that stage. Was told it's best to go for 02 onwards if possible.
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
PS - if you test drive on your own, pop the lid and unclip the airbox cover - then VTEC it
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Originally Posted by Dan J
Ah yes! Used to have a K&N induction kit on my old CRX VTEC and when it was in the zone hmm what a noise! Never failed to put a smile on your face and a shiver up your spine!!
Still think this would be great
04 May 2006, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan J
JT I think they tweaked it a bit for the 02 models and sured up the handling a bit at that stage. Was told it's best to go for 02 onwards if possible.
I'll throw this link in for anyone who's interested.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506417
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04 May 2006, 08:16 AM
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I hope you aren't compring Rota's to my Forged Mugen's
I got roaseted by a stock 2.2 Prelude when I had a MY00 scoob (270bhp) couldnt believe it!
They did sort the handling on 02> cars, but I just like the scare factor of mine
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I got roaseted by a stock 2.2 Prelude when I had a MY00 scoob (270bhp) couldnt believe it!
They did sort the handling on 02> cars, but I just like the scare factor of mine
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04 May 2006, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
I hope you aren't compring Rota's to my Forged Mugen's
04 May 2006, 12:36 PM
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Andy, the rear has a passive rear wheel steering thing. As you turn in, the rear wheels also pivot (mechanically) allowing further turn in.
Nick Graves is the best man to explain it, or do a search.
I didnt know about it either for a few months! I think either 04> or 06 doesnt have it anymore, which is good.
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Nick Graves is the best man to explain it, or do a search.
I didnt know about it either for a few months! I think either 04> or 06 doesnt have it anymore, which is good.
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