LG John

LOL, that old chestnut

One of my good mates has a CTR - we've ran all manners of tests from various speeds. It's always the same. Although, I'd have to say on a roll a CTR would not lose more than a car length or so to a buy/blobeye sti!!

eric Scofield

Had a Bug eye, test drove a mint S2000, loved the looks, hated the performance. Even the dealer, noticing the unimpressed look I was wearing after the test-drive said the S2000 would never compete in terms of pure acceleration with a standard WRX ....

Bought an MY03 STI - no comparision IMHO ....

Dark Blue Mark

LOL, you cant judge it on 1 test drive. I know for a fact mine will take a stock UK MY00 adn a new WRX is a barge!

MB

Dark Blue Mark

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...74EAEB01F6.htm

PS - kenny has some interesting 0-100 and 1/4 mile times

MB

matchmaker

That's called old age. Never comes on its own

eric Scofield

Yeah you may well have a point but I was in a hurry to get rid of the failing fast WRX - I was gutted by it's apparent lack of OOMPH and when the dealer confirmed my worst fears I kinda lost interest ...

Anyway I don't regret buying the STI, but I may re-visit the S2000 one day ...

Dark Blue Mark

Thats the bit I do miss Eric, the turbo shove. But you do adjust to it, and thrashing it to within an inch of its life

MB

LG John

You must have driven one utterly sh*t S2000. If I may be totally honest and frank the S2000 destroys bugeye WRX's in a straightline. The last time I was at crail there was a good SIDC turnout and I raced two bugeyes one of which was lightly modded (decat). His launch put him 2-3 car lengths ahead and at shutdown after the line I was 4-5 ahead. In straightline performance terms the S2000 is more comparable to classic WRX's, new age STis and P1s. My 406 V6 used to push bugeyes along!

Vtec was engaging right?

Check this Link

It is the time of my last run that day vs a classic shape STI-5 running a full scoobysport decat. Note his reaction time is impossibly quick (i.e. he jumped) but nevertheless I was fractionally behind him going over the line but had already achieved a greater speed (trap speed) and therefore was beginning the process of overtaking. It's summer time soon - perhaps you should revisit

STi_Bandit

Tis was my STi in question, sorry for the lack of reply, should learn to read more forums .

Car is a Standard Type UK, With only a afterburner vortex backbox. was very impressed with the s2000. (Pax Lap some time). would love to hear the vtec sing.

Martin

Frazer

Do you not have a centre section as well? You ever 1/4 miled it?

LG John

You are more than welcome to a run in the S2000 martin. You never have to twist my arm far when mucking around in cars is involved It would be nice to have a nosy around a new STI as well. Despite owning a classic for a year and a half I've never bothered to test drive or even sit in anything newer than a standard buyeye wrx. The dash certainly looks much better in the pictures and when I've peered through the glass at parked ones

Mark (since I know you'll read this) I've been having R33 GTR V-Spec wet dreams all day! I blame you!!!!

Dark Blue Mark

Who me?!

My GTR plans are on ice due to a possible job move - but I still love the idea of one. I was pootling along the other day (which is rare) when one went past so fast I though I might get sucked along

You have to try one, very interesting drive... How come the interest?

One of my big bug bears is that ok its a Skyline, but £13-15k will get you a nearly new STi and with over 300bhp. its the age of the thing that worries me - but on the other hand, it is a Skyline.... Catch 22.

PS - V Spec isnt worth bothering with, unless its the same moeny as a none V Spec.

MB

STi_Bandit

No problem atol mate can certainly meet up some and have a passenger seat lap, just say when love cars me, drove a few CTR's (never an s2000) before getting a 2001 bugeye wrx then trading up to the STi which i just love.

Frazer = At the time of this duel only had the backbox on, as scoobyworld were out of stock of the centre section, but your right the car now has the centre section on now. i.e. removing the silencer and realeasing the burble.

Martin

LG John

The interest is that I'm probably going to sell the S2000 and I want a car that is reliable and can hit 100mph from standstill in 10 seconds or under. A modified R33 ticks the box. Been looking at new shape STI's but need around 370bhp and that's not easy/cheap. Now investigating the costs or ramping up an FQ300 to 370bhp. Unfortunately MR340s are still out of range.

Dark Blue Mark

If you're looking at pure performance, I would look at a 32GTR - they do grown on you. Would you not look to mod and STi7? Can be had for 10k and thats a lot of change for mods!

You going drag stripping?!

MB

Jeff Wiltshire

KO4ed Audi S4 will do that....400 to 475 BHP for around £5-6K plus base car of around £9K

LG John

R32 ugly and too old. My requirements are:

0-100mph in 10s or under
not over 5 years old (skyline exception)
reliable
still handles
can be modded but mods must be semi-reversable so I can sell standard and recoup on 2nd hand parts (this rules out major engine changes)
No stripping allowed

Basically the S2000 is about to become a weekend play thing and it really doesn't stack up well for that IMHO. It's better enjoyed every day - I want something to scare me when I jump in for a weekend blast but I don't want to pour money down the drain or really risk big bills (this rules Cerbera's out btw).

gatty

http://www.xtreme-uk.net/ look at the stock list xt 400. 400 bhp and torque theres your baby!!!!!!!!!!

deuchars

Racing on the roads eh, how stupid!!!






Only joking sounds like a laugh, under 10 seconds to 100mph you cant beat yank, corvette could be the way.

john banks

FQ340 is somewhere in the low-mid 10s to 100 IIRC, if you got an VIII MR or JDM IX (new JDM IX is £23K) and spent £500 on exhaust, £80 on fuel pump and £120 on a knocklink I would map it for you Kenny for nothing. That should be 9.x to 100 I reckon in your hands I can't map anything that has already been Ecutek'd, so the UK IX is no good - I had to buy a JDM ECU for mine. Not doing this commercially BTW, just a bit of fun.

LG John

LDH, doesn't handle, auto otherwise you know I'd go for it

I hate roman numerals Current thinking is FQ300 John for around £12,500-13,500 thereby leaving me a budget of around £2500 for modifications (maybe a little more). The FQ300 is 1400kg so I'd be looking for a 100% real 360bhp and preferably more. I have NO idea about what would be required to achieve this and whether its realistic. For all I know an FQ300 with that power could be a gearbox killer or utterly unrealistic without major engine overhaul So much research to be done. Of course, I have to get rid the S2000 first!

STi_Bandit

LG John

STi_Bandit

May Need A Clean

john banks

I think a real 360 BHP is possible on any Evo 7 onwards for the budget you mention. 8MR would add another 20 BHP quite easily (turbo and cams improved), 9 another 10 BHP on top of that (VVT).

All except the UK Evo IX are easily remapped which I could help you with, if not the UK Evo IX can be Ecutek'd, otherwise just fuel pump and exhaust and you're laughing. All the gearboxes and engines are strong enough for what you are wanting to do.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

0-100 in under ten is a bit of a tall order at the price you are looking and it does kind of limit you to looney aging Japanese stuff, why not just drive a few without worrying too much about 0-100 so you dont end up with fast one trick pony, to be honest you look like you will end up with an Evo but its pretty close to the Scoob you have already had. Evo's are both wonderful and horrid in equal measure, plus 99% of females assume you are a tool !

I think perhaps an older TVR (Griffith ?) with a Rover V8 in or have you given any thought to creating something yourself, like the lads with Cossied Escorts and stuff like that, go your own way !

If you are really that bothered about performance, just do your bike test and get a modern 600, 0-100 in about six seconds, probably less.

Dark Blue Mark

RX7 - they are totally nuts

MB

Dark Blue Mark

John, out of interest - do you enjoy the power of the EVO more than the Scoob? Ive never driven an EVO but people do say they are quite peaky and lack character. The scoob gives you that sudden shove and I know a lot of people report to miss it. Interested in your views...

MB

john banks

It is similar to a 2.0 Scooby in terms of the feel of the punch, but not like a 2.5. However, I think it actually goes like a 2.5 Scooby of similar weight with similar size of turbo.

The handling I prefer, it has a light on its toes feeling around bends and roundabouts, and feels like it needs a lot less road space to gather it up, with much less threat of understeer, but a resistance to oversteer that the M3 didn't have even with its traction control on. That thing was always a management exercise in momentum, smoothness and handling forces. The Evo is an exercise in cornering brutality but with loads of feel, steering precision is fantastic. It may be artificial in that it is helped by active diffs, but it doesn't feel artificial, just feels like you have the advantages of RWD and FWD, whereas the old Subarus just felt like FWD with higher limits. Newer DCCD Subarus are different though.