bob269

Lol, you can't beat a good debate, especially when there's no winners.

As for Final Fantasy you should get it on the 360

Hanslow

Only the crappy online one though (FF-XI)

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

I think people are expecting too much from "Next-Gen" gaming. IMO, the standards set by PC games are the benchmark, you aren't really going to see much that betters a PC game simply because the PC is an upgradable platform and will always have the better (or equal) hardware to run them on.

I like all gaming machines alike, but it annoys me that the Sony spin machine thinks it can fool the weak minded into thinking that they can produce games that surpass anything we have ever seen before. Its simply not true.

rik1471

C64 all day - there is no contest

bob269

now available to play online

http://c64s.com/

btw, spectrum was better

Hanslow

Thanks guys, suddenly thought I was 12 years old again Oh, and there is no doubt that the Speccy ruled

Unfortunately this is the case for all hardware / software vendors that are pushing a new product. Sony do it, Nintendo do it (albeit to a lesser extent), Microsoft do it, etc. It obviously works though judging by how gaming has become mainstream with a number of people owning more than one console.

rik1471

You are God

Edited: although i'm scared of looking in case they're not what I remember

Dream Weaver

Commodore always ruled - 64 and Amiga

Iain Young

Nah, having had both, I can put hand on heart and say that the Atari STe was a better machine

mightyyid

Crap - sorry fellas, but have to remember C64 came out a fair bit of time after Spectrum and thus, at that time, Vic 20 ruled... would have loved a C64 but couldn;t afford it.

What was the name of the best (cartridge game) for Vic 20 that was hard to get hold of but the greatest???? Will come to me...

Andy

rik1471

I can't believe that site doesn't have Buggy Boy, i'm dissapointed

Swen6

I think it's LG, they supply alot of companies, not gospel, but one someone mentioned when we were having a chat about Plasma's and LCD's.

Swen6

The argument is though that a top end PC is £1k upwards, where as a 360's £300, no real comparison.

Hanslow

Yep, why make do with a 300 quid system when you can get a much better longer lasting one for a grand

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

My point is one of the standard of 'nex-gen' games that people expect, regardless of hardware or cost.

rik1471

To be honest, I don't see much of a difference between the 360 and my top of the range PC.

Dream Weaver

Dunk is saying we cant expect next gen on consoles, as they can only ever match the PC for graphics etc.

But...the console market is bigger, so developers will put more time and money into console games than PC games - PC hardware may be able to keep up, but I would think the console games will develop to next gen much quicker.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

My point exactly.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

I suppose the point I'm raising is what really is 'Next-Gen' gaming is in peoples opinoins ? How would you describe it ? What do you expect from it ?

My opinion would be that they are better than the previous generation of consoles, but only as good, but not better than the best and latest PC games (for the reasons mentioned before).

Hanslow

Nicer looking games to me is not next-gen, hence why I think the current line up of 360 games is not next-gen. Things like adding a full realistic physics engine with completely deformable environments, rag doll physics on bodies, full decent reflectivity and utilising environments more in games to me is next gen and I don't think we are there yet.

The hardware of both the XBox 360 and (imaginary as of yet) PS3 will probably be more up to the job, but it's going to require a lot more effort on the part of the developers. Again, it's the environment and the general gameplay that'll take us to next-gen IMHO, not fancy graphics (although reflectivity falls into that so I've just contradicted myself ).

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Agree entirely.

So a Next-Gen console is here now, but the developers haven't manged to produce a Next-Gen game with it yet.

RB5201

Price?? How much was your whole set up??

Hanslow

And remember to include your HD TV in the price if you have one

Swen6

Amazing isn't it?, this threads taking the shape of a chinese whisper, starts as one thing and ends completely different

MS win and Sony are going to go bankrupt trying to sell a console for £500

Hanslow

Swen6, do you have shares in Microsoft, or are you just hoping to see the PS3 fail? Given that Sony came from nowhere with the PS1, I wouldn't put it past them to put out a corker of a machine, but only time will tell on that one

I see Microsoft have just replaced the main guy in Japan due to poor sales. It would appear the home support for the PS3 hasn't been wiped out yet

messiah

Ditto Hanslow - Japan stopped getting the 360 imported for a while as the launch stock was still sitting on the shelves.

RoadrunnerV2

I think you will find selling the 360 in Japan is like telling the French Renault and Citron are crap

rik1471

I currently have an AMD 64 3.8, ATI x800, 1GB DDR400 RAM - the whole setup cost around 600 - 700 quid - although I did buy an expensive HTPC case.

The HDTV I have, and which I use for both PC and XBox 360, was 800 quid.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Basically the Japanese are anti-MS, because they're American

Hanslow

[chinese whisper mode change topic]

Which you can perfectly understand when historically you had two nice nuclear devices dropped and detonated in your country.