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10 February 2006, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
" If they can afford an X5, they can afford an affordable, inconspicuous shopping car."
are you serious? They should buy a cheaper car so as you dont feel uncomfortable?
are you serious? They should buy a cheaper car so as you dont feel uncomfortable?
No, it's a free world. But don't bitch when we're honest enough to tell you what NOT doing that portrays to many other motorists on the road, lol!!!
10 February 2006, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
If they can afford an Impreza they can afford an smaller, inconspicuous shopping car.
Why? Imprezas aren't overly big, and aren't especially conspicuous when owned by the sort of blokes who DO have to go shopping!!
10 February 2006, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
No, it's a free world. But don't bitch when we're honest enough to tell you what NOT doing that portrays to many other motorists on the road, lol!!!
10 February 2006, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
X5's are in Chiswick High Street for one reason. Image.
10 February 2006, 12:39 PM
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Who's the judge of whether it's right or not though. Yes it might be slightly irrational given that they're all essentially steel boxes, but it's a very real phenomenon nonetheless. X5s are an image tool more than most cars on the road, to a large number of motorists. It's a fact of life.
10 February 2006, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
So? Do you wear bin bags because Jeans are unnessisary? Most of the UK revolves around Image in one way or another. Pretty much 90% of cars you drive is picked on the car you like the looks off the most. Even if it was picked on Image, what does it effect you? Get on with your own life and forget about every bugger else. The fact that your moaning theyve got a car that they consider better than yours gives their thoughts credit IMO.
They've got a car that i could buy tomorrow, but wouldn't dream of doing so, based upon its total unsuitability for what i need, and for the negative image it portrays. The subject was raised, we're telling you our side of the story, simple as. Nothing to do with getting on with lives etc etc.
10 February 2006, 12:44 PM
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Yes but your saying people who drive X5's think they own a better car than most around them looking down on your etc feeling all smug with their image, yes?
So I said, the fact that your moaning theyve got a car that they consider better than yours (or anybody else who has this opinion of X5 drivers) gives their thoughts credit....
Your giving them attention by stereotyping them anyway and according to your logic, thats what they want.
So I said, the fact that your moaning theyve got a car that they consider better than yours (or anybody else who has this opinion of X5 drivers) gives their thoughts credit....
Your giving them attention by stereotyping them anyway and according to your logic, thats what they want.
10 February 2006, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
The subject was raised, we're telling you our side of the story, simple as. Nothing to do with getting on with lives etc etc.
10 February 2006, 12:45 PM
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"X5s are an image tool more than most cars on the road, to a large number of motorists."
so is make up, ipods, music, clothing, hair cut, watch, the list is endless - people will often select an item for its image.
People picking an X5 do so because they like it, their social group likes it - so what if it has a negative image elsewhere.
Do you think the people on here that sticker up their scoobs think about the image they portray to others? of course not, they like it and their social group likes it.
In the kingdoom of 3 eyed people the bloke with 2 is an ugly ****.
so is make up, ipods, music, clothing, hair cut, watch, the list is endless - people will often select an item for its image.
People picking an X5 do so because they like it, their social group likes it - so what if it has a negative image elsewhere.
Do you think the people on here that sticker up their scoobs think about the image they portray to others? of course not, they like it and their social group likes it.
In the kingdoom of 3 eyed people the bloke with 2 is an ugly ****.
10 February 2006, 12:46 PM
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I agree, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Good luck to them if that's what they want; i'll continue to consider them jerks when i see X5s used out of context. Everyone's happy.
10 February 2006, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TopBanana
So you can't justify you position then?
I have done. They're too big and usually aren't being used for what they're intended, and they're a pure display of wealth. Do you want it in another language?
10 February 2006, 12:49 PM
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Agree Tiggs, of course that's true. Start another thread about stickered-up Scoobies with flame kits and i'll give you my opinion on that TOO if you want, lol! 
10 February 2006, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
I have done. They're too big and usually aren't being used for what they're intended, and they're a pure display of wealth. Do you want it in another language?
Used for what they're intended... you don't think they're intended as off-roaders do you?
Pure display of wealth... some say they're a decent means of transport too
P.S. Esperanto please.
10 February 2006, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
"and they're a pure display of wealth."
what £50K+ car isnt?
what £50K+ car isnt?
Many others are partly this i grant you, but few are as over-sized and out of their intended sphere of use as an X5. You know that's my point here, we're just repeating it now.
10 February 2006, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TopBanana
Too big... for you perhaps
Used for what they're intended... you don't think they're intended as off-roaders do you?
Pure display of wealth... some say they're a decent means of transport too
P.S. Esperanto please.
Used for what they're intended... you don't think they're intended as off-roaders do you?
Pure display of wealth... some say they're a decent means of transport too
P.S. Esperanto please.
They're certainly not marketed as school run or shopping cars either!!!!
Yes i'm sure they're "decent", just grossly inappropriate in the context you usually see them. Again, i think we've covered most angles of the debate now.
10 February 2006, 01:17 PM
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"They're certainly not marketed as school run or shopping cars either"
there is no such thing, on wet days when walking is daft i have taken my kid to school in a TVR, a Westfield, a Volvo, a Galaxy, an M3 roadster...the list goes on. I have never owned an X5 but assuming its got two seats it sounds perfect.
You could argue the TVR "too fast", the galaxy "too many spare seats", the M3 "too gay"......but unless you travel by some nasty east european £3k car there will allways be elements surplus to needs.
there is no such thing, on wet days when walking is daft i have taken my kid to school in a TVR, a Westfield, a Volvo, a Galaxy, an M3 roadster...the list goes on. I have never owned an X5 but assuming its got two seats it sounds perfect.
You could argue the TVR "too fast", the galaxy "too many spare seats", the M3 "too gay"......but unless you travel by some nasty east european £3k car there will allways be elements surplus to needs.
Or don't want to...
10 February 2006, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
LOL
Just picked up this thread..
And I have to say Tel, you are taking a right kicking on this one
Just picked up this thread..
And I have to say Tel, you are taking a right kicking on this one
10 February 2006, 01:30 PM
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It's 4x4 capability is very useful in the snow, I know that I'd rather my wife were sitting in her X5 when taking the kids to school in the snow rather than in a Focus
10 February 2006, 01:31 PM
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Here are a few points,
X5 bears as much intended use in relation to what they're actually used for as they do a bespoilered 300bhp 4x4 rally replica.
X5 road foot print is not much bigger if at all than a exec saloon or estate car or MPV.
X5 are marketed as Sports Utility Vechiles not Off-Roaders.
X5 consume fuel and polute as much as 300bhp, chipped/tuned decat 4x4 rally replica.
The image of those driving bespoilered 300bhp 4x4 rally replica is no better than a X5. (IMO).
Cars are bought according socio-econimic groups not just image.
At the end of the day, anything more than a 1.4 shopping car/family hatch is excessive on todays roads. What would prefer to drive, a shopping trolly instead of what you already drive?
X5 bears as much intended use in relation to what they're actually used for as they do a bespoilered 300bhp 4x4 rally replica.
X5 road foot print is not much bigger if at all than a exec saloon or estate car or MPV.
X5 are marketed as Sports Utility Vechiles not Off-Roaders.
X5 consume fuel and polute as much as 300bhp, chipped/tuned decat 4x4 rally replica.
The image of those driving bespoilered 300bhp 4x4 rally replica is no better than a X5. (IMO).
Cars are bought according socio-econimic groups not just image.
At the end of the day, anything more than a 1.4 shopping car/family hatch is excessive on todays roads. What would prefer to drive, a shopping trolly instead of what you already drive?
10 February 2006, 01:32 PM
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LOL, no Diablo!! Just saying what i feel!! Trust me, if you had to barge your way past these things to pick the kids up on a regular basis, you'd see where i was coming from!! Women who lunch with too much time and too many cares about their image, do not pass Go, do not collect £200, but pick up an X5 brochure today!!
10 February 2006, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DocJock
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(No BMW axe to grind, haven't owned one for >15 years, in fact, bizarrely for SN, one of my cars is actually a Subaru )
(No BMW axe to grind, haven't owned one for >15 years, in fact, bizarrely for SN, one of my cars is actually a Subaru )
(and it's stickered up
)"The remains of an Impretsa", DJ, national tv, 2003
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10 February 2006, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl 227
It's 4x4 capability is very useful in the snow, I know that I'd rather my wife were sitting in her X5 when taking the kids to school in the snow rather than in a Focus
True, but Chiswick Day School is only 1/3rd of a mile down the road, which has already been gritted. In the UK, 4wd to enable a safer school run must count for what - 5 days maximum per year?
10 February 2006, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
LOL, no Diablo!! Just saying what i feel!! Trust me, if you had to barge your way past these things to pick the kids up on a regular basis, you'd see where i was coming from!! Women who lunch with too much time and too many cares about their image, do not pass Go, do not collect £200, but pick up an X5 brochure today!!
Hats off to BMW UK Marketing dept