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10 February 2006, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
True, but Chiswick Day School is only 1/3rd of a mile down the road, which has already been gritted. In the UK, 4wd to enable a safer school run must count for what - 5 days maximum per year?
)Half of the women driving wouldn't know what 4x4 stood for, just that it was a "must have"
Put it this way, if I had kids and was driving them to school, I would be happier they were cocooned in 2.5 tonnes of steel, than in some bendy shopping trolley.
10 February 2006, 01:40 PM
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To protect against those ghastly 5mph rush hour bumps that one has to endure in Surbiton Crescent? It's fekkin madness i tell you!! Double the tax on these bloody tanks!!
10 February 2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
To protect against those ghastly 5mph rush hour bumps that one has to endure in Surbiton Crescent? It's fekkin madness i tell you!! Double the tax on these bloody tanks!!
They are for ever telling us that 90% of accidents happem withing 5 miles of home
10 February 2006, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
X5 bears as much intended use in relation to what they're actually used for as they do a bespoilered 300bhp 4x4 rally replica.
X5 road foot print is not much bigger if at all than a exec saloon or estate car or MPV.
X5 are marketed as Sports Utility Vechiles not Off-Roaders.
X5 consume fuel and polute as much as 300bhp, chipped/tuned decat 4x4 rally replica.
The image of those driving bespoilered 300bhp 4x4 rally replica is no better than a X5. (IMO).
Cars are bought according socio-econimic groups not just image.
If you're driving an Impreza Wagon, that's alright then?
The footprint may or may not be that much larger than other vehicles but if you're following one, it's bloody hard to see past it/through it as you can with normal cars.
Comparing it to a chipped/tuned decatted Impreza hardly bolsters your point.
As for your image comparison with an Impreza I can understand where you're coming from, but this isn't a discussion about the perceived problems of Imprezas, it's about soft roaders and in particular the X5.
I think the general problem with these cars, is that too many of the wrong type of individuals are attracted to them in a similar way to Staffy bulls being popular with the local pikey element. It strikes me as being fairly selfish to list safety and size as reasons for buying this type of car. What happens to the occupants of other vehicles who get crushed in an accident or the poor kid who gets run over by one?
There are a lot of people with an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude who buy these cars and then seem to enjoy trying to use the bulk to bully other traffic out of the way. The other justification seems to be that they need the space, when seemingly these things are populated by women and children, neither of which are physically that large. The interior space doesn't look that much bigger than your typical estate car, so that argument doesn't really stack up either.
If I was to sum up the majority of people who buy these things (and there are people who can genuinely justify them) it would be selfish.
10 February 2006, 01:49 PM
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"The sheer size of it for starters."
where do you live? Hobbit land? its not much bigger than any estate car if that.
and 4 wheel drive.......lets say its only usefull 1 day every 4 years - as the owners can afford to have it why not, after all every 4th year it will be handy and it doenst cause any problems for any of the other days.
where do you live? Hobbit land? its not much bigger than any estate car if that.
and 4 wheel drive.......lets say its only usefull 1 day every 4 years - as the owners can afford to have it why not, after all every 4th year it will be handy and it doenst cause any problems for any of the other days.
10 February 2006, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
We all presumably buy cars that make us feel good 
That isn't the issue here at all.
That isn't the issue here at all.....other people finding the car offensive?
10 February 2006, 01:52 PM
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"There are a lot of people with an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude who buy these cars and then seem to enjoy trying to use the bulk to bully other traffic out of the way"
considering the pre-concived ideas you have of these cars i'm surprised you dont just pull over when you see one coming!
considering the pre-concived ideas you have of these cars i'm surprised you dont just pull over when you see one coming!
10 February 2006, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
"There are a lot of people with an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude who buy these cars and then seem to enjoy trying to use the bulk to bully other traffic out of the way"
considering the pre-concived ideas you have of these cars i'm surprised you dont just pull over when you see one coming!
considering the pre-concived ideas you have of these cars i'm surprised you dont just pull over when you see one coming!
10 February 2006, 02:40 PM
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The footprint may or may not be that much larger than other vehicles but if you're following one, it's bloody hard to see past it/through it as you can with normal cars.
Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Comparing it to a chipped/tuned decatted Impreza hardly bolsters your point.
Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
As for your image comparison with an Impreza I can understand where you're coming from, but this isn't a discussion about the perceived problems of Imprezas, it's about soft roaders and in particular the X5.
Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
I think the general problem with these cars, is that too many of the wrong type of individuals are attracted to them in a similar way to Staffy bulls being popular with the local pikey element. It strikes me as being fairly selfish to list safety and size as reasons for buying this type of car. What happens to the occupants of other vehicles who get crushed in an accident or the poor kid who gets run over by one?
Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
There are a lot of people with an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude who buy these cars and then seem to enjoy trying to use the bulk to bully other traffic out of the way. The other justification seems to be that they need the space, when seemingly these things are populated by women and children, neither of which are physically that large. The interior space doesn't look that much bigger than your typical estate car, so that argument doesn't really stack up either.
Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
If I was to sum up the majority of people who buy these things (and there are people who can genuinely justify them) it would be selfish.
10 February 2006, 03:17 PM
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LOL
If I can afford something, that is ample justification in my book
Last time I checked it was a free country
Anyway, X5's are bloody great fun to drive. Especially the faster ones.
If I can afford something, that is ample justification in my book
Last time I checked it was a free country
Anyway, X5's are bloody great fun to drive. Especially the faster ones.
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10 February 2006, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RedFive
You are using the term "Subaru" in the loosest possible terms though
(and it's stickered up
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"The remains of an Impretsa", DJ, national tv, 2003 )
(and it's stickered up
)"The remains of an Impretsa", DJ, national tv, 2003
)Can I call you a cvnt, or is that against the T&Cs ?
10 February 2006, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Last time I checked it was a free country
They are small and not enough "in your face" mind.
And about "bullying": it doesn't work, trust me. The only car you can bully people with without fearing to lose a fortune is my trusty 10 year old pink Volvo estate. *THAT* makes people think "uh oh".
10 February 2006, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DocJock
Can I call you a cvnt, or is that against the T&Cs ?
Although, I do call my car the "Cvnt". So does my wife.
Oh, and guess what... the paint is falling off. Sigh. Do we have a :tired: smiley here ?
10 February 2006, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
So MPVs will obscure just as much as an SUV, besides which don't tailgate.
No but if people harp on about how poluting they are, then Imprezas are just as guilty.
You can't form a basis of an argument/discussion with out a comparison.
Any kid unfortunate enough to be hit by a car will suffer regardless of size. However, it has been proven that below 30mph, high fronted vehicles, ie SUV, causes less damage to pedestrians than low fronted cars. Anything over 30mph regardless vehicle size is fatal. If safety of your family is not of your greatest concern, whats is? Thats very noble of you to put safety of others over your family.
It not the car, its the driver, plently of repmobiles, white vans, sports cars, MPVs, in fact any car etc, bully, push and tailgate others on he road so that argument doesn't stack up. Size wise, how many people do you have in your car regularly? 4 or 5? if not then are you driving a Smart car?
Bit of a sweeping statement, like saying everyone driving fast cars are inconsiderate and egotistical.
No but if people harp on about how poluting they are, then Imprezas are just as guilty.
You can't form a basis of an argument/discussion with out a comparison.
Any kid unfortunate enough to be hit by a car will suffer regardless of size. However, it has been proven that below 30mph, high fronted vehicles, ie SUV, causes less damage to pedestrians than low fronted cars. Anything over 30mph regardless vehicle size is fatal. If safety of your family is not of your greatest concern, whats is? Thats very noble of you to put safety of others over your family.
It not the car, its the driver, plently of repmobiles, white vans, sports cars, MPVs, in fact any car etc, bully, push and tailgate others on he road so that argument doesn't stack up. Size wise, how many people do you have in your car regularly? 4 or 5? if not then are you driving a Smart car?
Bit of a sweeping statement, like saying everyone driving fast cars are inconsiderate and egotistical.
As for you whole safety point, my primary motivation for buying a car isn't safety and as my wife buys her own cars, I can't see how you can make any assumptions as to my buying impulses. You may have a point about running over a child in a soft roader but there is no way the other vehicle is going to come off well in an accident with one of these things.
Unlike you, I based my opinions on experience and it is my experience that I am more likely to find myself getting squeezed off the road (some of us live in the countryside with narrow lanes) by the ubiquitous soft roader driver with a load of screaming kids in the back. As for your ill conceived point about a Smart car, can you explain how I can get two Ridgebacks in the back of one of those, let alone the amount of work stuff I lug around?
Lastly, I still don't see why you felt it neccessary to compare the fuel economy of tuned Impreza including remap etc with that of a X5 - perhaps they are less fuel efficient that you'd like to believe? Again, if you read my post carefully I said 'the majority' not 'all' so it's hardly a sweaping statement. I can only conclude that you've not categorised yourself as the type of person who has a genuine need for one, which is why you feel the need to defend them.
10 February 2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RedFive
Although, I do call my car the "Cvnt". So does my wife.
Oh, and guess what... the paint is falling off. Sigh. Do we have a :tired: smiley here ?
You need some stickers like these to hold the paint on...
10 February 2006, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
You don't have to tailgate to appreciate that having a secondary view through the vehicle is useful if you are following another car. I do it all the time, not only to help what I'm seeing ahead but also to check whether the driver is awake or not - both very difficult with these types of vehicles.
but there is no way the other vehicle is going to come off well in an accident with one of these things.
Lastly, I still don't see why you felt it neccessary to compare the fuel economy of tuned Impreza including remap etc with that of a X5 - perhaps they are less fuel efficient that you'd like to believe? Again, if you read my post carefully I said 'the majority' not 'all' so it's hardly a sweaping statement. I can only conclude that you've not categorised yourself as the type of person who has a genuine need for one, which is why you feel the need to defend them.
I doubt very much you or your wife have a "genuine need" for exactly the car you drive, however....
10 February 2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
So buy one (or perhaps something bigger), and then barging past would be easy
10 February 2006, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I have driven them with trailer, but I'd settle for without for daily use.
10 February 2006, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
i guess with a trailer is taking the p*ss on the school run...!